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I don´t like the direction this thread is going, are we still talking about L&J?
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No, you're right, Veronica behaviour bled into a different discussion, this is why I stopped, too far removed from L&J to keep going.
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So, not spoilering anything about act2. but there will be more acts.I doubt the story can end with 3 acts.
This is what the prof posted on June 25th:
This is what the prof posted about act2 today:
He also wrote that the following chapters wouldn´t be as big as act 1. And it really isnt, took me 9 hours more or less,
I just finished my first playthrough of the "no fun" route, expecting act 2 was about healing and be more fun for the mc.
Yeah,
I now need to take time to reflect about everything that was thrown at me. I guess i will do the punishment route next.
So, did the professor deliver? He sure did, im just not sure how to feel about it.
Sorry for being cryptic.
This is what the prof posted on June 25th:
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He also wrote that the following chapters wouldn´t be as big as act 1. And it really isnt, took me 9 hours more or less,
I just finished my first playthrough of the "no fun" route, expecting act 2 was about healing and be more fun for the mc.
Yeah,
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I now need to take time to reflect about everything that was thrown at me. I guess i will do the punishment route next.
So, did the professor deliver? He sure did, im just not sure how to feel about it.
Sorry for being cryptic.
That is a shame, MC character deconstruction already went through a lot.
He's fallen plenty.
I really hoped for a couple of acts defining the healing process.
Since I cannot use patreon I'm stuck waiting for the eventual release, but I am curiouson how worse things can get.
Yeah, every character has made - and will continue making mistakes.Let me start by saying that everyone is entitled to like whomever they want.
That said, sometimes those shitty things are a bit too much to be "forgiven", as usual the game is full of shock value so it is easy to lose the plot points for each character, so I don't fault anyone for missing them, especially if they did only one playthrough.
Let's take the 2 worst examples:
Mia - she abuses Lacey in college, no way around it, she admits it, she knows it, we know it.
Even when she realizes Lacey is just a broken doll she keeps going, pimping her to Isaac.
While Lacey was getting back home crying for days after she gets gangbanged at parties, Mia kept going for it.
Lacey later admits that one of the reasons she did what she did was trying to please Mia.
And lets not forget she recorded everything.
Now, in what world would you like a person like that? But I guess we could say that even Charles Manson was a good conversationalists so I guess he's likable too
Afterwards, she actively tries to ruin Lacey's marriage without consulting her, the "game" (because this is how Mia refers to it) to push away MC and keep Lacey to herself almost works, this is a terriblle behaviour that cannot be excused, not in the way it was done neither in the utter betrayal of Lacey's trust.
And, wait for it because this is good, SHE IS HAPPY AND EXCITED that Lacey gets SA in the shower! She wants every single funny detail!
But enough about her, lets go for Veronica.
Veronica, after knowing all the Jared stuff, still collaborates with him.
Not only that but when Lacey is threatening to commit suicide (the other option was being raped) she is silent and happy to keep her job and position.
Who cares about human life, right?
MC then threatens her (which was pretty weak considering MC is rather whimpy) and even then she is passive and doesn't want to get involved.
Now, without going in on all the other cast flaws, can we at least admit that these 2 cannot be liked due to past and present behaviour or a pair of tits and some dirty talk is enough to cleanse all past sins?
I already pointed that out.
And they still want only the best for their loved ones. As I pointed out. They all care about each other - despite all the fucked up shit thrown at them - and that's why they are likable.
None of what you said disputes what I wrote previously.
But ok. It's fun to talk about these characters anyway:
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It really is fun, thanks for the write up, I had fun reading it.
That is a very good analysis, but in my opinion taken with a huge pair of rose tinted glasses.
Which is probably what the author wanted to portray but he left plenty of stuff unearthed that actually hurts this narrative.
On some of this we agree, I posted often how Mia is actually living Lacey sex life vicariously, due to her trauma.
On the fact that Mia didn't understand at first, I also agree, but then she did and she didn't change her strategy or try to help Lacey in a different way, she went ahead witnessing (and recording) Lacey's total destruction.
We know that at the end, when she was very aware of Lacey situation, she was still pimping her at parties and to the very end to Isaac.
She admits that what she put Lacey through left her with mental and emotional damage, yet when she has the chance to change, she doesn't, from that point on, you're willingly harming your "friend".
Mia resented MC since college, because Lacey didn't let him go completely, she wanted to be the only person in her life.
It is stated that she doesn't cry tears of joy at her wedding.
You are forgetting that Mia was about to spill the beans anyway, she contacted MC herself, then decided that she liked MC so she wouldn't go ahead with her plan.
All of this without Lacey consent or knowledge.
Mia has no place to give ultimatums to anyone (for MC it was 3 months, not 1), it is not her relationship, if she wanted to help she should have taken it with Lacey over and over.
This is not how a friend acts, unless they are narcissistic to the core.
Maybe even just addressing the fact that Lacey had brain damage and then go from there.
Unless someone needs an intervention due to abuse, you do not take action and put yourself between the couple, you support instead.
That is horrible behaviour, especially from someone with literally 0 experience in couple dynamics.
Also, the way she portrayed the situation in the messages can't be seen as good to anyone, I refuse to accept that any human being with a modicum of empathy would act like this.
Her friend marriage on the line, a suicidal person (she knows this) on the other side of the phone and you do "play acting" trying to make it hurt as much as possible, blurring the lines between what MC can believe or not.
Lets not forget, what she said in the messages was her original plan, we discover that a lot of it was a lie, how can we reconcile that with "she just wanted to help".
But even if MC asked for any of this (and he does ask for the full original plan) you, if you are not evil, should take charge and override this decision, she did it for Lacey's decision but not MC's?
Again the messages are a huge part of the problem MC has with Lacey's past, they are given to him without allowing Lacey to explain and they are also full of lies or if we want to be kind and naive: misunderstandings.
She actively tried to put a wedge on them and if you read the messages it is hinted she did so in college too.
I understand the service of the plot part, I said it before you need a lot of suspension of disbelief to play this game between the porn logic and the completely out this world situations.
i don't mind, but when the character's actions put them in a bad light we cannot say that it was a plot point so it doesn't count.
Hey Jared was a pretty cool uncle to Christine, his actions where just in service of the plot so we don't think he is a scumbag
.I don't see how MC can be seen as a calm and reasonable person since his suicide attempt was well known, but even then, in the words of Lacey: "lets call a spade a spade", Mia wanted to send the messages because she hated MC.
Everything we say about her wanting to help falls flat, because we know there was malice in her intentions at the beginning.
It might have changed at some point, sure, still she didn't care about Lacey nor MC well being.
So how can we agree that Mia is likeable when her whole premise was pretty bad?
I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly if she got a sort of small redemption arc, especially towards Lacey, but it doesn't happen, actually the fact that she went behind Lacey's back discovered during the boxes talk is never touched again.
I am sorry but again you are forgetting the months of utter lies to Lacey and MC about what she did about Jared.
Jared comes back with threats, she still hides and doesn't do anything.
But even if we want to ignore that, thinking that she thought Lacey was relatively safe, she didn't have one phone call, she got three, she never came clean until she was threatened by MC.
Look, let's be kind again and lets say she did not think Jared would go that far so she kept lying thinking that Lacey would be safe somehow.
Then in front of a woman at the risk of rape or suicide, she sat silent, actually she didn't, she actually pushed back against helping.
With all of the above and again almost no redemption arc (she gets coerced in helping somehow at the end) how can she be likeable? Where does she show the care unless it directly benefits her or doesn't directlly interfere in her life?
I won't go on and explain the different selfishness traits, but she borders between neutral and bad.
And I get what you mean about not respecting her, but how can you like someone you don't respect?
Again thank you for the write up, I was going to bed because I have an early meeting tomorrow morning but I couldn't resist answering.
It's not like sex was destroying Lacey. It was ketamine and her own depression - and inability to deal with trauma.
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Did we? Maybe I'm misremembering something, but I thought Lacey said it was a 'lie'.
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There was - for, like, half a scene. Come on.
She didn't care about MC. But she did for Lacey.
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Now Veronica:
Let's be honest here: if Jared have threatened to rape Veronica or he'll end her career - do you think she'd accept?
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Oh come on, you are not serious. Every single other time, except when she's blackmailed?
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But she had shown warmth and care. That's why she's 'likable'.
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Just a heads up that I'm getting Act 2 prepped for release on F95. I have also fixed the issue where Android users could not see the MC's text messages. Expect me to post sometime tomorrow.
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I agree with you, that makes her very unlikeable.
I often bring up the difference of basic values and I think this is the case again.
A coward, as you described her, that would go with all that? Especially when it applied to another person?
Those are pretty unlikeable traits, don't you think?
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Well..guess I will rejoin the discussion sometime over the next couple of days.
Appreciate the spoiler tags btw guys.
Appreciate the spoiler tags btw guys.
Get ready for my usual extra verbose writeups.
We are still talking about Act1 anyway, so not much to spoil at this point!
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Yeah, been waiting for everyone else to get a chance to play it before discussing Act 2 lol.
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Mother fucker this game is good. I was ready to toss that bitch to the curb again. The roller coaster ride continues!
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What am I doing here?
What time is it?
Looking up at the clock after reading this time-sink.
All I know is my heart can't take much more.
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It's updated to Act 2 now but it didn't get pushed to the latest updates page yet?
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Avaron1974
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Hopefully it will start on the uplifting phase soon.
2 acts of jealousy drama and a group of potential LI's in wait for happier times.
Then when no one is looking he can murder Barty for that cheap shit he pulled.
2 acts of jealousy drama and a group of potential LI's in wait for happier times.
Then when no one is looking he can murder Barty for that cheap shit he pulled.
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It's weird that this isn't showing on the recently updated page. A glitch? Or is it being hidden for some reason?