VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Diosvincenccio]

wait your timeline wouldn't work cause Issac was the last one she slept with no? and a baby takes 9 months so 3 months to get unfat and what if the baby is still around and mia or mia's family or hell even laceys family what ever happened to them? or for that matter the mc's family i have yet to see a single parent in this game now that i think about it everyone is young except barty another college friend is caring for it

Emmm. You know that you can be pregnant and still have sex, right? Its not like the hole gets magically sealed to protect the baby. Lorenzo or whoever could have get her pregnant, then she has the 3 week sexmarathon with Isaac while already pregnant.

And thats why Mia is so awfull of a character both in the past and present, lacey decided to clean her act, maybe due to pregnancy and yet Mia pushed and manipulated lacey into a last ride (Isaac) with the drugs, its confirmed, and we know Lacey wanted to please Mia anyway, also confirmed.

And Lacey wouldnt contact her family about the baby after all she was abused by her family. Mia would know if she got pregnant in college, but could be keeping it quiet. If Lacey gave up the baby she dosent has to hand it to anyone of her family or Mia family. The baby could have ended in "the system", adoption, foster homes, abandoned in front of a church, whatever. The important part would be Lacey decides to abandon it, not care for it, not keep it with her, and that would trigger MC abandonment Ptsd MASSIVELLY.

And 1 year gives up enought time to give birth, get detox and study, its not like you can only do one of thus things at a time. If she was already a couple months pregnant when having the Isaac marathon (Not enought to show the baby bump), she would have around 5 months to get "unfat" after giving birth, she could have been detoxing at the same time she grows the baby inside her, and studies for her carrer.

 

[rogersmith]

Not sure if this guy is trolling or just struggling with a language barrier and nuace

Or, it is not me who is struggling

 

[Elduriel]

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Everything from when she left onwards. If I was doing it, I would start day 1 as the day after she left the MC. That way we can track when things happened, time gap between 'incidents'....how long the story from Lacey reappearing has transpired etc.

Or may even be better to do day 1 as the day she appears at the MC's door. However, I think the college timeline is very important personally because, despite your comment on Isaac/house....the math still does not math, as I explained in my last post.

If he was in college, he not pro, and would not already be rich/famous and in a 3 million dollar house. He just wouldn't. Now, this could be a glaring error from a non US citizen and it's just very bad writing/research as to what would happen in RL. I'll accept that though for me, always, if writing something 'serious', then it should be spot on. If that issue is just a lack of knowledge, then it's inexcusable to me.

Personally, I don't think it is....I think Lacey has been 'back' far longer than she admits and even perhaps, was with Isaac for far longer than her or Mia admit. Isaac would not give two fucks about some party doll leaving after 3 weeks. His whole character....he wouldn't. Let's also not forgot, we know now, Anna is not beyond lying to the MC or withholding information 'for the greater good' and she was very much in Lacey's life and talking regularly after that phone call.

you underestimate a bit on what some college football players can earn. If he is really talented and sought after, he can easily make millions per year.

 

[rogersmith]

He didn't actually. Not conciously. One again, Lacey framed it and manipulated him into agreeing.

Of course he was manipulated! That's exactly what I was saying. Did you read my posts at all?

But at this moment it's became obvious that MC is so fucked up in the head that it's becomes impossible to form empathy with him. And further playing could only be interesting as a psychiatric study.

 

[Sayora]

Indeed, the Damien scene does fit the story. What doesn't fit, in my opinion, is the lack of consequences. The premise claimed that the MC wouldn’t be a cuckold-type protagonist and that he’d have a backbone — but the absence of any real consequence regarding Damien says the exact opposite.

I completely agree, but I see only three options
first - MC kicks out cheating whore (which means the end of the story for us)
second - MC gives free rein to his feelings and beats FMC and possibly Damien half to death (then trial, prison - the end of the story for us)
third - that's what we have now

 

[rhune]

I completely agree, but I see only three options
first - MC kicks out cheating whore (which means the end of the story for us)
second - MC gives free rein to his feelings and beats FMC and possibly Damien half to death (then trial, prison - the end of the story for us)
third - that's what we have now

Or we could just say the Damian scene was a mistake
There could have been a fourth option — making it optional, like the kissing date scene, where you can stop Lacey. And if you don’t stop her, then the MC is fully responsible for the consequences.
That said, I have huge respect for the author — this is just a small inconsistency from my own personal point of view. I totally get that others might see it differently
But your three options are absolutely valid — there’s really no other narrative way to handle what happened with Damian. And that’s exactly where it starts to feel like a full NTR story, with all its classic codes.
It’s this break from the initial premise that bothers me a little

 

[Chaoticjustice]

I completely agree, but I see only three options
first - MC kicks out cheating whore (which means the end of the story for us)
second - MC gives free rein to his feelings and beats FMC and possibly Damien half to death (then trial, prison - the end of the story for us)
third - that's what we have now

Not gonna lie im secretly holding out that the MC pulls a Lacey and makes her watch him banging Kelly and being like this will help you get past your worries

 

[Diosvincenccio]

There could have been a fourth option — making it optional, like the kissing date scene, where you can stop Lacey. And if you don’t stop her, then the MC is fully responsible for the consequences.

Problem is that during the entire game, MC wishes and opinions never matter, they get overuled, there is always someone knowing best than the MC of what the MC wants or needs.

During the Jealousy date, the sex part is optional, but the logic to propose that date comes from someone else. Again manipulated by someone who knows best.

 

[rogersmith]

He hasn't read the material, I tried to condense 20 hours of gameplay over and over to help him understand.
I came to the conclusion that he is not interested in understanding and just wants to debate for the sake of it.
You know I am a guy for big discussions and debates, but it feels like discussing why the earth is round with a flatearther which doesn't care about which proofs you place in front of him and doesn't care about the literature.

LOL

Dude, don't lie, please. You are not Lacey I do not agree with you, yes. But "understanding" and "agreeing with you" are not the same. Grow up. And open up to the idea that it's you who could gain better understanding in debate, not only your opponent.

You did not participate into debate at all. You dodged or ignored all of my questions. Yes you provided spoiler info, thank you for that. But when it confirmed what i was saying, you just ran away.

You even did not answered at a question that i repeated 3 times and that even you consider crucial. Okay, fourth chance:

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All you did was for some reason pushing narrative that:

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And when i gave arguments that narrative is self-contradictory, you did not gave any counter arguments at all. Only some emotional outburst, irrelevant in a debate.

My narrative is:

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Again, there was no arguments against it, and your spoiler info is confirmed it.

This game is not a NTR on even NTS game. Its just a power trip of a troubled author who enjoy putting MC into a sea of shit.

 

[Maviarab]

Not gonna lie im secretly holding out that the MC pulls a Lacey and makes her watch him banging Kelly and being like this will help you get past your worries

This is the scene we need.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Not gonna lie im secretly holding out that the MC pulls a Lacey and makes her watch him banging Kelly and being like this will help you get past your worries

Not gonna lie either, i would love it too. Kelly and the others. But as the story is right now. The scene would look as Lacey watching and allowing the girls to bang him, and makeing them gratefull to her for the "treat"

 

[Sayora]

Or we could just say the Damian scene was a mistake
There could have been a fourth option — making it optional, like the kissing date scene, where you can stop Lacey. And if you don’t stop her, then the MC is fully responsible for the consequences.
That said, I have huge respect for the author — this is just a small inconsistency from my own personal point of view. I totally get that others might see it differently
But your three options are absolutely valid — there’s really no other narrative way to handle what happened with Damian. And that’s exactly where it starts to feel like a full NTR story, with all its classic codes.
It’s this break from the initial premise that bothers me a little

I think that the scene with Damien is not a mistake - it gently shows us what we will inevitably face next

And yes it classic NTR without doubt so inital premise just a bait.

 

[DeviantFun]

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I was right, you don't understand what I am writing, it might be me or it just be the case that you don't want to accept any other explanation other than what you built in your head.

The way you put "my" narrative down is even more headcanon, like I haven't explained Lacey's character flaws enough in one of the million posts I made.

I answered your question, she still has problems with sex and abuse until a specific moment with Isaac, it is explained like at least 5 times in the game, once pretty early, red bra night 1, I had hoped you at least reached that part of the game and made the connection.
The WHY of what she has done I tried to convey quite a bit in the rest of my answers.

This is my last post on the matter, I have a timeline to compile, others have told you where you are going wrong and you haven't played the game, maybe they will be more willing to entertain you.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

I think that the scene with Damien is not a mistake - it gently shows us what we will inevitably face next

And yes it classic NTR without doubt so inital premise just a bait.

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[rogersmith]

The WHY of what she has done I tried to convey quite a bit in the rest of my answers.

No, you did NOT. It's easy to check - go read all your replies to my previous answers. Anyone else can do it too - it's a curious case of weaseling out.

 

[Sayora]

Not gonna lie either, i would love it too. Kelly and the others. But as the story is right now. The scene would look as Lacey watching and allowing the girls to bang him, and makeing them gratefull to her for the "treat"

the bad thing is that this scene will only hurt MC mentaly
Really the only way to hurt on FMC is to leave her ...

 

[Diosvincenccio]

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Either we have our first sharing MC scene (Threesome/Cuckqueen Lacey+Mia) even against MC desires, manipulated to thing that its doing it to prove his love, or Mia goes on attack again and makes Lacey completily wasted up, so some rando can fuck her. And Mia shows it to MC argumenting that Lacey hasent changed at all since college.

 

[AL.d]

I completely agree, but I see only three options
first - MC kicks out cheating whore (which means the end of the story for us)
second - MC gives free rein to his feelings and beats FMC and possibly Damien half to death (then trial, prison - the end of the story for us)
third - that's what we have now

Or we could be having what we have now, but with actually treating the worst event that happened to MC in this game, as exactly that. Instead of having old pics and other more minor events as points of friction for the drama and ignoring the elephant in the room that should be playing that role. He is having nightmares and outbursts of anger for things that don't even compare in severity to that. That scene is what he should be having nightmares about.

It has to be intentional. Because if the story focused on that as their point of friction instead of the past, the direction dev wants to push the narrative wouldn't work. That direction being that Lacey is a different person now that doesn't do shit like that. For that to work, the cuckolding has to be conveniently ignored. Because it is recent and ruins the narrative.

 

[DeviantFun]

Either we have our first sharing MC scene (Threesome/Cuckqueen Lacey+Mia) or Mia goes on attack again and makes Lacey completily wasted up, so some rando can fuck her. And Mia shows it to MC argumenting that Lacey hasent changed at all since college.

Lacey will make MC sex fantasies come to life, my guess is that you need to make a specific choice to start up the first 3p.
I don't know when and the character involved should not be Mia.

Obviously if my guess from the dialogue and game files is correct.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

I don't know when and the character involved should not be Mia.

Should not be, but Mia gets forgiven and even rewarded for bad behaviour. She is now included in the Lacey plan for trying to get her to relapse / hurt MC with the last photos.

And Lacey plans play fast and loose. Not the first time Lacey manipulated MC into doing something he dosent want to prove his love.