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we're not at the end of our surprises with her
Oh hell no....

MC gets a close second
It's funny. I hate most MC's in most VN's...but this one completely takes the crown as the most annoying, useless, pathetic beta simp ever. However, if he wasn't like that, we'd not be discussing two acts of this story would we?

And speaking of Act 3, this one will be called "Learning to Let Go" I read a few articles about it and it's very interesting, what do you think, Deviant?
Care to copy and share?
 
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[/CITATION]

Yep .....

Learning to "Let Go"
Managing change toward accepting the situation necessarily includes learning to let go. You're probably familiar with the popular expression "letting go." This expression refers to a form of relinquishing control that we can exercise in different areas of our lives. This concept can be explained and applied in different ways. It's therefore important to understand and explore the avenues that can help us... let go!

What is letting go?
To fully understand the concept, you need to understand that the opposite of letting go is taking control. However, when your loved one is dealing with a mental health issue, the first instinct you develop is to help them, or even to forget about yourself. This may be intentional on your part, but it may also be related to social pressures, your culture, or your morality. From your perspective, your attitude is certainly compatible with a responsible stance since, due to the symptoms that are overwhelming your loved one, you are "helping" them manage and organize their life. This situation is, although demanding, comforting to the extent that you are in control. In this sense, "I must..." and "I must do..." are expressions that may be found in your everyday vocabulary. When it comes to events that affect your loved one, it's important to distinguish between what you can control, what you can influence, and what you can neither control nor influence. This first step is helpful in helping you let go and thus avoid exhausting yourself. Furthermore, thinking continuously, or even obsessively, about a problem is most often ineffective and certainly doesn't solve it. However, if you let go, you'll see solutions emerge that you may not have previously imagined.

What are some ways to let go?
Here are some ideas to help you begin your reflection, which can be done with the help of a trusted person. To help you understand the suggestions presented, think about all the times you've repeated the same interventions with your loved one that didn't produce the desired results, leaving you with the same disappointment each time. Become aware of your emotions about what's happening to you. Recognize the ineffectiveness of controlling what you can't change or influence. Become aware of the loss of energy and well-being that your persistence represents. Agree to let go of the idea of what you held dear. Agree to forgive yourself. Letting go means you may have to change by accepting your limitations and maintaining your values. This is a concept where you must agree to give up some control over others, not to give up your goals and objectives. Never forget that letting go is compatible with action, but it will sometimes require a different and more appropriate response. To illustrate the concept, imagine a fly trapped in your house. Seeing the light from the window, it rushes toward freedom, but hits itself on the glass. Although it will repeat this strategy for hours, even if it is completely ineffective, it will eventually become exhausted and die. So don't be like this fly; open the door to different actions that will allow you to free yourself from the control you are under.

Is it possible to take care of myself?
Like most caregivers, you face several challenges and responsibilities that cause you to forget to take care of yourself. Your desire to see your loved one's condition improve means that your generosity can backfire. As you probably know, self-neglect and involvement with your loved one have their limits and, more importantly, their consequences. So, allow yourself to consider your suffering and, even if it's difficult to apply, give yourself the right to take care of yourself. It may be time for you to recognize and set your limits by saying STOP! Caregivers supporting their loved ones can easily create scenarios by imagining the worst. The "What ifs" can lead to anxiety and a high level of worry. However, there are ways to take care of yourself by setting your limits and calming your anxiety. To achieve this, you will likely need help. Tell yourself that it's normal.


Some tips to help you feel better
Clearly identify your needs and rank them in order of importance to you. State your expectations clearly, making sure your loved one understands. Listen to your loved one's reactions and then make your opinion heard. To lighten the mood, add a little humor to your conversations. Take a step back from events; there are no miracle solutions. Take care to balance your time; don't neglect the activities that bring you pleasure; you need them more than ever. Don't take on responsibilities that aren't yours: you're depriving your loved one of the opportunity to acquire new skills. Don't underestimate your loved one's abilities. Learn to live with life's ups and downs. How can you find the key to well-being? This is a difficult question because there is no manual. Like most people, you probably wish your days were longer so you could get even more done and solve even more problems. Faced with this constant rush, you need to remember that you need time for rest, for peace, for yourself, to rediscover the deeper meaning of your life. Set aside time just for yourself and engage in enjoyable activities without your loved one present. Remember that the best way to help them is to maintain your balance.

How can you learn to live with the situation?
Learning to live with your loved one's mental health disorder requires a significant process of adaptation and overcoming. Some will describe it as a process of grieving, others as acceptance and detachment, and still others as resilience. In fact, regardless of the terms used to describe the process, it's important to find ways to cope with the situation as calmly as possible. As with any problem, there are steps to take before you find your comfort zone.

Dreams That Collapse
Generally, mental health disorders appear in early adulthood. This means that you had probably made life plans for your loved one, regardless of your bond with them. From now on, many things will no longer be experienced in the same way. Your feelings of discomfort are probably related to your high level of apprehension, your helplessness regarding your loved one's pain, your pain at seeing them lose their zest for life, your grief related to the dreams and pride you had for them, and the instability that is setting in in your life. Know that these are completely normal reactions. In this painful situation, you must take care of yourself. Above all, you must not blame yourself; rather, you must allow yourself the right to be angry and sad. (See texts on anger, guilt, resilience, and detachment).

Recovering
Emotionally, you'll experience a state of shock where all sorts of questions will arise. Why me? Why him? Why...? You must therefore find answers to your questions. At this stage, you may not be able to believe what's happening, and you may cling to the idea that everything will be okay, that everything will return to the way it was before... You must therefore recognize your reality not as an enemy, but as an ally to be tamed. Be kind to yourself, because in addition to being bruised by your pain, you're probably heaping unfounded reproaches on yourself and feeling like you're tackling an immense challenge. Your suffering cannot be measured or compared. Therefore, you must avoid measuring your progress against that of others; it's better to surround yourself with people who will welcome you without judging you. You need to reassure yourself, because with help, you will learn to navigate this uncompromising reality, you will discover unsuspected strengths, and you will identify ways to regain balance in line with realistic expectations. "To dare or not to dare to ask for help? I encourage you to overcome your ambivalence and undertake a process that will allow you to restore meaning to your daily life."

KEY TAKEAWAYS
To better cope with someone else's mental illness, you need to take a step back from the situation and take care of yourself in the small things of daily life. Take care of yourself, because you won't be able to help if your physical and mental health is in poor condition.

Very long analysis but interesting, right?
 
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I have been patient for a long time and finally decided to write.

This VN was clearly not written by a professional Hollywood screenwriter. and based on this I can conclude that it simply does not have the depth that you are trying to see and all those inconsistencies and inaccuracies are due to the poor quality of the script. (while it is wonderful but not perfect).
It's like trying to see a face from a bad surveillance camera when you zoom in, the picture will simply deteriorate.
In my opinion, you just need to accept the author's attitudes that he clearly shows us and not look for a cat in a dark room when he is not there
Lacey is a cheap slut. MC beta simp. And so on
The intrigue, of course, weakens, but it becomes easier to sleep.
 
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Just a quick thought. This whole deepfake thing with Barty is a bit far-fetched because, come to think of it, after watching the video with Mia Anna and Christina, Lacey can't remember anything about the sex part, and she herself says she took a large dose of ketamine. So why didn't Barty take advantage of this moment by inviting his friend Reggie over to really fuck her, instead of recording tons of stupid questions and then making a fake video? I think Prof wanted to do something shocking again in this act 2 and this whole porn empire thing really doesn't hold water, especially when we know how Mia and Anna really are when it comes to sex (especially Mia who is afraid of guys and dicks)....who the hell can believe in this story with Will who pretends to be a good guy and can attract them like flies in a spider's web. I love this story and I'm addicted to it like all of you, but there were so many other things to tell to shock the reader again given Lacey's past and her still limited behavior in the present that this porn empire story is really irrelevant I think.
I'm going to say that there is no evidence that Lacey instantly becomes a slut just because she's on Ketamine. The only thing that we can say with confidence is that her inhibitions are lowered and she can handle more pain when on Ketamine. She was on ketamine before Mia got involved, and she relapsed at least 12 times in the year between Isaac and having sex with MC (she claims she didn't have sex with anyone after the phone call).

I strongly believe that 'Plan A' for the NTR villains was to have Lacey fuck them during the interview, but she refused. Seeing her refuse, they went to 'Plan B' which was to make a deepfake

What's FAR more concerning...is that at first....the succubus prostitute actually believes she did it...that...is more worrying than anything else imo.
I think you are looking at this out of context. Lacey didn't think she had sex with him until she saw the video. Before she saw it, she was convinced that it was something she might have said to upset MC like that. Once she sees "herself" on video, she begins trying to rationalize it. I mean, if I were in that situation, and I didn't think of a deepfake immediately, I'd trust a video over my own lack of memory of the events too
 

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Oh hell no....


It's funny. I hate most MC's in most VN's...but this one completely takes the crown as the most annoying, useless, pathetic beta simp ever. However, if he wasn;t like that, we'd not be discussing two acts of this tory would we?


Care to copy and share?
If in the 3rd act we are facing for what was under the spoiler, I will erase this VN and curse the author. Let him let himself go
This will simply be an epic spit to the readers.
 
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If in the 3rd act we are facing for what was under the spoiler, I will erase this VN and curse the author. Let him let himself go
This will simply be an epic spit to the readers.
What was under the spoiler? I maybe be just having an air head moment, but I'm not understanding the context lol
 

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This isn't a spoiler; it's my analysis of Act 3, found this and there on the web, which will be called "Learning to Let Go."

Learning to "Let Go"
Managing change toward accepting the situation necessarily includes learning to let go. You're probably familiar with the popular expression "letting go." This expression refers to a form of relinquishing control that we can exercise in different areas of our lives. This concept can be explained and applied in different ways. It's therefore important to understand and explore the avenues that can help us... let go!

What is letting go?
To fully understand the concept, you need to understand that the opposite of letting go is taking control. However, when your loved one is dealing with a mental health issue, the first instinct you develop is to help them, or even to forget about yourself. This may be intentional on your part, but it may also be related to social pressures, your culture, or your morality. From your perspective, your attitude is certainly compatible with a responsible stance since, due to the symptoms that are overwhelming your loved one, you are "helping" them manage and organize their life. This situation is, although demanding, comforting to the extent that you are in control. In this sense, "I must..." and "I must do..." are expressions that may be found in your everyday vocabulary. When it comes to events that affect your loved one, it's important to distinguish between what you can control, what you can influence, and what you can neither control nor influence. This first step is helpful in helping you let go and thus avoid exhausting yourself. Furthermore, thinking continuously, or even obsessively, about a problem is most often ineffective and certainly doesn't solve it. However, if you let go, you'll see solutions emerge that you may not have previously imagined.

What are some ways to let go?
Here are some ideas to help you begin your reflection, which can be done with the help of a trusted person. To help you understand the suggestions presented, think about all the times you've repeated the same interventions with your loved one that didn't produce the desired results, leaving you with the same disappointment each time. Become aware of your emotions about what's happening to you. Recognize the ineffectiveness of controlling what you can't change or influence. Become aware of the loss of energy and well-being that your persistence represents. Agree to let go of the idea of what you held dear. Agree to forgive yourself. Letting go means you may have to change by accepting your limitations and maintaining your values. This is a concept where you must agree to give up some control over others, not to give up your goals and objectives. Never forget that letting go is compatible with action, but it will sometimes require a different and more appropriate response. To illustrate the concept, imagine a fly trapped in your house. Seeing the light from the window, it rushes toward freedom, but hits itself on the glass. Although it will repeat this strategy for hours, even if it is completely ineffective, it will eventually become exhausted and die. So don't be like this fly; open the door to different actions that will allow you to free yourself from the control you are under.

Is it possible to take care of myself?
Like most caregivers, you face several challenges and responsibilities that cause you to forget to take care of yourself. Your desire to see your loved one's condition improve means that your generosity can backfire. As you probably know, self-neglect and involvement with your loved one have their limits and, more importantly, their consequences. So, allow yourself to consider your suffering and, even if it's difficult to apply, give yourself the right to take care of yourself. It may be time for you to recognize and set your limits by saying STOP! Caregivers supporting their loved ones can easily create scenarios by imagining the worst. The "What ifs" can lead to anxiety and a high level of worry. However, there are ways to take care of yourself by setting your limits and calming your anxiety. To achieve this, you will likely need help. Tell yourself that it's normal.


Some tips to help you feel better
Clearly identify your needs and rank them in order of importance to you. State your expectations clearly, making sure your loved one understands. Listen to your loved one's reactions and then make your opinion heard. To lighten the mood, add a little humor to your conversations. Take a step back from events; there are no miracle solutions. Take care to balance your time; don't neglect the activities that bring you pleasure; you need them more than ever. Don't take on responsibilities that aren't yours: you're depriving your loved one of the opportunity to acquire new skills. Don't underestimate your loved one's abilities. Learn to live with life's ups and downs. How can you find the key to well-being? This is a difficult question because there is no manual. Like most people, you probably wish your days were longer so you could get even more done and solve even more problems. Faced with this constant rush, you need to remember that you need time for rest, for peace, for yourself, to rediscover the deeper meaning of your life. Set aside time just for yourself and engage in enjoyable activities without your loved one present. Remember that the best way to help them is to maintain your balance.

How can you learn to live with the situation?
Learning to live with your loved one's mental health disorder requires a significant process of adaptation and overcoming. Some will describe it as a process of grieving, others as acceptance and detachment, and still others as resilience. In fact, regardless of the terms used to describe the process, it's important to find ways to cope with the situation as calmly as possible. As with any problem, there are steps to take before you find your comfort zone.

Dreams That Collapse
Generally, mental health disorders appear in early adulthood. This means that you had probably made life plans for your loved one, regardless of your bond with them. From now on, many things will no longer be experienced in the same way. Your feelings of discomfort are probably related to your high level of apprehension, your helplessness regarding your loved one's pain, your pain at seeing them lose their zest for life, your grief related to the dreams and pride you had for them, and the instability that is setting in in your life. Know that these are completely normal reactions. In this painful situation, you must take care of yourself. Above all, you must not blame yourself; rather, you must allow yourself the right to be angry and sad. (See texts on anger, guilt, resilience, and detachment).

Recovering
Emotionally, you'll experience a state of shock where all sorts of questions will arise. Why me? Why him? Why...? You must therefore find answers to your questions. At this stage, you may not be able to believe what's happening, and you may cling to the idea that everything will be okay, that everything will return to the way it was before... You must therefore recognize your reality not as an enemy, but as an ally to be tamed. Be kind to yourself, because in addition to being bruised by your pain, you're probably heaping unfounded reproaches on yourself and feeling like you're tackling an immense challenge. Your suffering cannot be measured or compared. Therefore, you must avoid measuring your progress against that of others; it's better to surround yourself with people who will welcome you without judging you. You need to reassure yourself, because with help, you will learn to navigate this uncompromising reality, you will discover unsuspected strengths, and you will identify ways to regain balance in line with realistic expectations. "To dare or not to dare to ask for help? I encourage you to overcome your ambivalence and undertake a process that will allow you to restore meaning to your daily life."

KEY TAKEAWAYS
To better cope with someone else's mental illness, you need to take a step back from the situation and take care of yourself in the small things of daily life. Take care of yourself, because you won't be able to help if your physical and mental health is in poor condition.

Very long analysis but interesting, right?
 

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Right, so that's not from the dev? I thought that was what you were getting at...sorry. Also yes, if the MC just says, ok fine, let's move on...I will drop this.

here is no evidence that Lacey instantly becomes a slut just because she's on Ketamine.
There is. Lacey herself
I think you are looking at this out of context. Lacey didn't think she had sex with him until she saw the video. Before she saw it, she was convinced that it was something she might have said to upset MC like that. Once she sees "herself" on video, she begins trying to rationalize it. I mean, if I were in that situation, and I didn't think of a deepfake immediately, I'd trust a video over my own lack of memory of the events too
As above. The very fact (it's irelevent the video was fake) that she herself...believes....she could do that and even discusses it...if she was high enough....is all the evidence you need.
 
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As above. The very fact (it's irelevent the video was fake) that she herself...believes....she could do that and even discusses it...if she was high enough....is all the evidence you need.
even though i think lacey is an incorrigible piece of shit, i dont agree with this point, a person under extreme stress can believe anything, even that the entire basketball team fucked him in the ass.

but that doesn't change anything. Shit will remain shit.
 
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Very long analysis but interesting, right?
Im not trying to be hurtfull or anything so dont take it bad, but it looks and feels as if you put "what does learning to let go means" in some chatgpt or similar and copy-pasted the answer without putting a thought of your own.

I think we are overcomplicating the issue. Learning to let go is gonna play on the two more traditional meanings, let go as in leave behind what holds you back, and let go as in realease yourself from selfrestraint.

-MC is gonna be subject of both, he is gonna let go of some of his feelings for Lacey past (Some of the hurtfull feelings, his insecurity and untrustworty towards her) and let himself go, as in start enjoying life (Probably even start enjoying sex without feelings, not saying that he is gonna start asking other girls, but if they offer hes gonna let himself accept it and enjoy the act)

-Lacey is gonna let go of the lies and gaslighting and start answering some hard questions. And at the same time she is gonna let herself enjoy some sex acts with MC and probably others included (other girls or other NTS scenes). And i wouldnt be surprised if her version of letting herself go and enjoy included some relapse where MC caught her full high.

-Mia is gonna let go of her past (quinceañera) as soon as she gets the sharing part. Not saying that a good dicking is gona fix her, but probably is gonna be more interested in trying to make the threesome/sharing be repeated than in her destructive behaviour toward the marriage.

-Anna is a special case for me, i feel it could go in two opposite directions. Either she lets go of her crush towards MC, and starts looking for someone else, which could be an attacking point for the villains (that the MC is gona solve and gets Anna interested in him again), or she lets go of her "good girl persona" and takes Mia role (Break the couple), trying to get more attention from the MC.

-Veronica could let go of her homewrecker guilt, and knowing what Lacey has done to MC could be a lot more direct and physical in her flirting with the MC.

I could go on, like Kelly maybe leting herself go full attack mode on MC, jeannette enjoying herself become full subservient, christine letting go of the bad memories of her dead twin, etc... but i think we get the idea, right? I dont have to apply this "let go means this" to every character, right?
 

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I have been patient for a long time and finally decided to write.

This VN was clearly not written by a professional Hollywood screenwriter. and based on this I can conclude that it simply does not have the depth that you are trying to see and all those inconsistencies and inaccuracies are due to the poor quality of the script. (while it is wonderful but not perfect).
It's like trying to see a face from a bad surveillance camera when you zoom in, the picture will simply deteriorate.
In my opinion, you just need to accept the author's attitudes that he clearly shows us and not look for a cat in a dark room when he is not there
Lacey is a cheap slut. MC beta simp. And so on
The intrigue, of course, weakens, but it becomes easier to sleep.
Hollywood screenwriters are mostly shit. And this novel is WAY better than most of recent and not so recent hollywood works.
 
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Hollywood screenwriters are mostly shit. And this novel is WAY better than most of recent and not so recent hollywood works.
I wrote not about the story, but about the depth and quality of the plot development, attention to details, etc., which are usually not achievable by small studios and amateurs.
 

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I wrote not about the story, but about the depth and quality of the plot development, attention to details, etc., which are usually not achievable by small studios and amateurs.
Finished first draft of my timeline. Those 'small details' do matter I agree, they make more sense now. Waiting on some people to look it over before release it here, when released here will also contain my new and improved 'alternative timeline' (almost finished that one)...will be on the thread tomorrow. I think you'll find it all makes much more sense then (as much as this utterly ridiculous storyline can lmao).
 

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when was MC's phone missing in act 1?

i kinda remember him saying something about wheres my whatever name of the phone at a bar with some of the others, and i thought it was important at the moment but MC never mentioned finding it so forgot. now it seems obvious thats when "monster" got a hold of the phone and placed the coding that makes it so he cant erase the number thats not a number and the tracking system that allows the monster to know where hes at, like when he sits in the park for 8 hours after the little bitch video.

i dont have the whatchmacallit to go back through act I and figure out what time at the bar it went missing and who was around. so asking those of you who spend way too much time replaying to tell me. lol
 

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when was MC's phone missing in act 1?

i kinda remember him saying something about wheres my whatever name of the phone at a bar with some of the others, and i thought it was important at the moment but MC never mentioned finding it so forgot. now it seems obvious thats when "monster" got a hold of the phone and placed the coding that makes it so he cant erase the number thats not a number and the tracking system that allows the monster to know where hes at, like when he sits in the park for 8 hours after the little bitch video.

i dont have the whatchmacallit to go back through act I and figure out what time at the bar it went missing and who was around. so asking those of you who spend way too much time replaying to tell me. lol
The only times in Act 1 that I'm aware of is
1.) He couldn't find his phone before going to the cliff. Anna had it/found it. He specifically looked for it though and couldn't find it before leaving for the cliff
2.) When he hits Lacey (punish path) he drops his phone and the girls find it while looking for him
3.) The girls don't know if he lost his phone or if it's dead after the Isaac confrontation at the bar. MC simply turns off his phone and gets very drunk, so people get worried. He ends up having something like 470 notifications when he finally sobers up and turns his phone back on
EDIT: Deviant reminded me of another time
4.) After a lesson from Mia, he throws his phone and leaves the house. Mia gets worried about the lack of response by him, and then she goes and gets him at the park
 
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Right, so that's not from the dev? I thought that was what you were getting at...sorry. Also yes, if the MC just says, ok fine, let's move on...I will drop this.
100%, and I am the biggest fan ever.
There is no forgiveness great enough to erase what has been done to MC, not for the past and not for the present.

The concept of letting things go is the same level bs as "reclaiming".
Doesn't work, you still got betrayed, you still lost years of your life, saying oh well I can't be mad about it is bs of the highest grade.

There is. Lacey herself
Nah this is pure speculation, as far as we know from the material, she used without looking for "attention" for almost one year.


As above. The very fact (it's irelevent the video was fake) that she herself...believes....she could do that and even discusses it...if she was high enough....is all the evidence you need.
She just saw herself do it, wirh no recollection of the events.
A more interesting point is that, iirc, she talks about "that girl still being there" which is not the case, but underlines some willingness in phase 3 and probably the fun she was having.
I always kept the "fun" part in 1/2 maybe early 3rd phase.

The only times in Act 1 that I'm aware of is
1.) He couldn't find his phone before going to the cliff. Anna had it/found it. He specifically looked for it though and couldn't find it before leaving for the cliff
2.) When he hits Lacey (punish path) he drops his phone and the girls find it while looking for him
3.) The girls don't know if he lost his phone or if it's dead after the Isaac confrontation at the bar. MC simply turns off his phone and gets very drunk, so people get worried. He ends up having something like 470 notifications when he finally sobers up and turns his phone back on
He also destroys his phone when the pimp abuses him.
Lesson 2 I think? Lesson about stephen.
 

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The only times in Act 1 that I'm aware of is
1.) He couldn't find his phone before going to the cliff. Anna had it/found it. He specifically looked for it though and couldn't find it before leaving for the cliff
2.) When he hits Lacey (punish path) he drops his phone and the girls find it while looking for him
3.) The girls don't know if he lost his phone or if it's dead after the Isaac confrontation at the bar. MC simply turns off his phone and gets very drunk, so people get worried. He ends up having something like 470 notifications when he finally sobers up and turns his phone back on
All correct but it's 478 ;)
 
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