VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[duckydoodoo]

This is a bit of a contentious argument.

Lacey admits that they were "together" multiple times, yet once , to Jamie she says they were not bf and gf.
This is obviously to communicate they couldn't have intimacy, but people can interpret how they like.
I mean, she also states they were making future plans to live together.

Even if she didn't use break up terminology, leaving and ghosting could be grounds to understand that the relationship is over. (It wasn't emotionally but you get what I mean).

That said, seeing the person you loved for all those years act like that is gonna give you some damage...the person you cared for, the person you almost lost your life over, even if you are not in a relationship...

pretty much what i meant. im not calling it all ntr arbitrarily, but they were in a romantic relationship before college, just not physically intimate. theres no way from the MCs point of view her whole college sex and dating debacle wasnt a betrayal to their relationship. i dont think it was devs intention, but it is what it is.

either way we wont know devs full intent til we are given the full story. but it feels like irl married couples when they are supposed to be on seperation to fix their marriage but one fucks around during that time instead and say, well we were seperated and we didnt make it a rule, while the cheated on partner says i didnt know we had to make a rule in our marriage to not cheat.

 

[duckydoodoo]

No, they were not.

Unless you have a real weird ass way of defining romance.

imma not even gonna start, rather ask what you define as romantic. cause from what i remember, they wanted to be physical but never were because she couldnt be. they spent all their time together and planned a life together. they had all the emotional intimacy of a couple. so minus the actual physical, what part of their relationship was not romantic or intimate before leaving for college.

i mean biz markie tought me all about being 'just a friend"

 

[Silken on Demand]

That sound very much like Lacey.

Yes it does. For good reason.
And yes I would. Am I toxic?
You would have to get to know me. But...
And once again what I say gets deleted.
Even though it wasn't off topic or spam. Genuinely fake reasons to delete what I said.
You all can all say what you want but I can't. Okay. I don't see how that's fair.
probably because it's not. As for Anatolij and DeviantFun, thanks for sticking up for me.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Yes it does. For good reason.
And yes I would. Am I toxic?
You would have to get to know me. But...
And once again what I say gets deleted.
Even though it wasn't off topic or spam. Genuinely fake reasons to delete what I said.
You all can all say what you want but I can't. Okay. I don't see how that's fair.
probably because it's not. As for Anatolij and DeviantFun, thanks for sticking up for me.

Feel free to explain what you lived with your ex here or in a private conversation if you feel is too private, like i said i dont know you, and i assure you i wasnt the one that reported your post, asuming thats why it disapeared. As for if you are toxic...i dont know, i only have one post to judge and the opinion on it wasnt leaving you in a good place.

Its just that i had my share of toxic women in my life and how i read your post felt a lot like victim blaming. You treated him as the villain in the story. Mc has his faults i admit that, but in general is a victim of Lacey "well intended" but crazy actions. While he is not the only one suffering, he has the right to have those feelings and have them and express them for as long as he wants.

 

[MightbeSomeone]

Im going to step in and say one thing silken has some really interesting views. Everyone is entitled to their own views and opinions. What ever happened or didn't happen with those other games its not relevant here. I didnt see the deleted post but it seems awful strange to me that a site dedicated to adult games, videos and art removes post that might offend or upset folks

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Im going to step in and say one thing silken has some really interesting views. Everyone is entitled to their own views and opinions. What ever happened or didn't happen with those other games its not relevant here. I didnt see the deleted post but it seems awful strange to me that a site dedicated to adult games, videos and art removes post that might offend or upset folks

Since i replied with quotes to her banished post there are some fragments still in my coment (#2,959). I remember some of the details.

She talked about some diferences between her and a friend of her that used men for personal gains, in a way she included herself as one of those women that use men for personal gain and have them around as they provide.

Then mentioned about her toxic ex and how he never changed. While she also commented that she was trying to fix things that werent broken. I said that that last part sounds a lot like Lacey, she later agreed.

While personal and offtopic it only showed her own oppinion on life experiences, and everyone is entitled to one. Even if i dont agree to her views on some things she is of course entitled to have her own oppinion.

Now for the more inflamatory part.

She called the MC the villain of the story, shutting MC right to have feelings and expressing them. And downplayed Christine worth chastising her physical appearence, denying her computer skills due her body. Which i already answered her my oppinions about that.

While interesting and controversial views where provided, it is the first one i see that calls MC a villain, the way she expressed them was quite toxic, victim blaming, body shaming, denying MC the right to express emotions and labeling the character toxic for doing so, etc...

 

[EumenestheGood]

I check in on this thread every few days. It's interesting to read everyone's opinion, and I love how passionate everyone is about this story. Honestly, I keep checking their Patreon every day in hopes that they drop Act Three randomly. Although right now it looks like any work being done on Act Three will be delayed until their new game drops. Im going to hold off on doing another character deep dive for now, nor will I comment on any of the drama ive observed. Other than to add that such personal investment speaks to how good the game is and how it can make our own personal traumas and wounds flare up. And that I hope everyone feels safe and unjudged here. We all have different lives and experiences, but we all share that those different experiences have led us to having some strong feelings about this story.

What I would like to say is that I'm placing a light-hearted bet for bragging rights that the Monster is actually the old, white haired lady who is the head of financing. I think the whole befuddled, tech-illiterate, grandma thing is just a front and that she's really a cunning old trickster who serves as the COO's spymaster. I think, for whatever reason, she feels invested in MC, either because she doesn't want the company to lose a promising asset or because she has a soft spot for lost and sad young men. Either way, she's a trickster mentor figure who wants to guide him towards a happy ending.

Also, I've been thinking about some of the stuff I want to see in Act Three. I hope we get a deep dive into the MC's childhood. Why was he attending school where he was when his parents were in Germany? What was going on in his life that he threw himself into caring for Lacey so completely? I feel like to truly unpack his character, we need to learn more about the parts of his childhood that didn't involve Lacey.

 

[Maviarab]

What I would like to say is that I'm placing a light-hearted bet for bragging rights that the Monster is actually the old, white haired lady who is the head of financing. I think the whole befuddled, tech-illiterate, grandma thing is just a front and that she's really a cunning old trickster who serves as the COO's spymaster. I think, for whatever reason, she feels invested in MC, either because she doesn't want the company to lose a promising asset or because she has a soft spot for lost and sad young men. Either way, she's a trickster mentor figure who wants to guide him towards a happy ending.

Certainly becoming a popular theory indeed!

Also, I've been thinking about some of the stuff I want to see in Act Three. I hope we get a deep dive into the MC's childhood. Why was he attending school where he was when his parents were in Germany? What was going on in his life that he threw himself into caring for Lacey so completely? I feel like to truly unpack his character, we need to learn more about the parts of his childhood that didn't involve Lacey.

While would be nice I doubt very much anything pre college is going to be brought up in any detail, if at all. Also, he never said his parents were in Germany when he was a kid, only that his father was there when Lacey proposed.

 

[duckydoodoo]

What I would like to say is that I'm placing a light-hearted bet for bragging rights that the Monster is actually the old, white haired lady who is the head of financing. I think the whole befuddled, tech-illiterate, grandma thing is just a front and that she's really a cunning old trickster who serves as the COO's spymaster. I think, for whatever reason, she feels invested in MC, either because she doesn't want the company to lose a promising asset or because she has a soft spot for lost and sad young men.

she only makes sense as the monster because her bizarre interest in MC. you think she's a cougar? i cant think of a good solo ending with her though, more like an ending where MC becomes one of her many boy toys joining her harem, lol gross

 

[Socom5.0]

after playing this a few times im trying to understand something she says she will do anything for him, but insist on the he picks a guy for her to blow and fuck date...... theres a simple solution that could have averted it all to prove her loyalty as well as make sure she doesnt do it agian. knock her ass up. make her a stay at home mom so she doesnt leave the house and just takes care of the kid(s), why make such a drawn out story when theres a simple solution ? the fact the MC is retarded as hell to not know that simple fact makes it hard to understand what exactly the Author is trying to create. the fact there are so many scenes where she gets caught up in more drama over shit she keeps doing outside the home bewilders me. there are to many characters who are factored into the story its a giant mess of deceit. if anything Lacey isnt the best looking of the girls he comes across. why specificaly is it all these guys target mainly her ? the choices are wierd and limited and there are some places they dont make sense i get your probably putting in fillers spots to make the story longer and more extravagant, but theres no need to make the choices so limited and very specific to make the MC barely scrape by with almost zero control over what happens, yes its NTR but with it are CHOICES NTR is not a forced thing it never was not in games nor reality its a CHOICE one makes to get to said NTR be it the Author forcing that Choice on the player or the Option to Choose said NTR path.So far the story is fricken intense and deliberate. more choices would be nice if theres a possible choice to follow a NTR path or a Love path. either way the narcissism is overboard there are to many Males chaseing after this one girl is almost fantasy like. so far the intensity of the story is a 10/10, plot is 10/10 story however needs a bit of work i give it a 5/10, choices id give it a 6/10 for there being a bit of choices but the choices are mostly tuned the MC always giving in to his Narcissitic wife. need a choice that says "fuck no" in a lot of scenes that put the MC in a spot to actually have more than provided options. Funny part about it all is at one point he actually does an alpha move that shouldn have stayed with him after the veronica stage. but instead once agian he came down with beta bitch syndrome out of no where for his wife yet agian. kinda makes the story say the MC has multiple personality disorder all over it.

 

[Maviarab]

theres a simple solution that could have averted it all to prove her loyalty as well as make sure she doesnt do it agian. knock her ass up. make her a stay at home mom so she doesnt leave the house and just takes care of the kid(s), why make such a drawn out story when theres a simple solution ?

either way the narcissism is overboard there are to many Males chaseing after this one girl is almost fantasy like.

You don't know people or women very well do you? You think being pregnant or having a child to look after changes anything? For the rest I'm sure everyone here agrees, it's all stuff we've said time and again.

Also...paragraphs please, that was painful to try and read.

 

[DeviantFun]

Ah right so you know people better than anyone, also 9 months of caring a child takes a toll on a women in more ways than you actually know, you can agree on shit but your knowledge is lacking. look at facts not fucking internet social ware. this is a thread not a professional script reading competition. and if youve ever had to take care of a child youd know just what it takes. but since your a internet libtard im sure your internet knowledge knows it all.

The willingness to cheat will be there whether there are 15 children or 1 or 0.
If you exclude the recovery time from childbirth, which depends completely on how the birth is performed (C section, normal or assisted) and if a episiotomy is done or not, then it is free for all.

To be clear, this is not to indicate that Lacey would be willing to cheat.

There are some people that actually enjoy having their partner feeling accomplished, as an artist for example or that recognize that having Lacey be a mother in her current state would be horrible for the child, she is scarring a full grown adult with ease, maybe it is not the time to be a mother.

 

[AL.d]

Ah right so you know people better than anyone, also 9 months of caring a child takes a toll on a women in more ways than you actually know, you can agree on shit but your knowledge is lacking. look at facts not fucking internet social ware. this is a thread not a professional script reading competition. and if youve ever had to take care of a child youd know just what it takes. but since your a internet libtard im sure your internet knowledge knows it all.

I don't know about internet libtards or whatnot, but I do know of a couple women irl, who actually became far more self-centered and eventually cheated on their husbands, the first two years after childbirth. And they tried to use PPD as an excuse (or maybe it was the truth, who the fuck knows). Childbirth fixing anything is a myth that many couples find out the hard way. If the glass is cracked, it's more likely to break it completely.

Especially since the person in question here, didn't have the best parental role models growing up. To say the least...

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Socom5.0

First, chill, you did go from 0 to 100 in an instant.

Second, yes, this not a script reading but its considered good maners to make things easier for others to read.

Third, i belive you dont know anyone on this thread, so less attitude, some are single, some are married, some are men, some women, some are parents, some are not. Some are conservatives, some liberals. There's so many diferent circunstances in our lifes and you dont have the knowledge to asume our situations. So less labels and name calling.

And for the last point, fourth. Lacey getting knocked up wouldnt have changed anything, the will to "fix" the MC would still be there, simply because at the point were she cheats, she dosent find herself to be the problem, but his husband jealosy to be it. (Which is contradictory, since she is trying to eliminate his jealosy, from which she feeds and gets pleasure)

And how things are at this point, they both would be horrible parents. They are not ready.

Now to make the post a little on topic and create a little of debate.

IF Lacey would be pregnant at this point on the story, it would open a big can of worms. Its only been like 3 weeks to a month from her cheating with Damian, so who is the father would be a huge drama point (Damian, Morty if allowed or MC)

 

[EumenestheGood]

Socom5.0

First, chill, you did go from 0 to 100 in an instant.

Second, yes, this not a script reading but its considered good maners to make things easier for others to read.

Third, i belive you dont know anyone on this thread, so less attitude, some are single, some are married, some are men, some women, some are parents, some are not. Some are conservatives, some liberals. There's so many diferent circunstances in our lifes and you dont have the knowledge to asume our situations. So less labels and name calling.

And for the last point, fourth. Lacey getting knocked up wouldnt have changed anything, the will to "fix" the MC would still be there, simply because at the point were she cheats, she dosent find herself to be the problem, but his husband jealosy to be it. (Which is contradictory, since she is trying to eliminate his jealosy, from which she feeds and gets pleasure)

And how things are at this point, they both would be horrible parents. They are not ready.

Now to make the post a little on topic and create a little of debate.

IF Lacey would be pregnant at this point on the story, it would open a big can of worms. Its only been like 3 weeks to a month from her cheating with Damian, so who is the father would be a huge drama point (Damian, Morty if allowed or MC)

Very well put! This game has captured the attention of people from all walks of life. We all see it through the lense of our own experiences. And we all owe it to each other to be respectful, especially when emotions run hot.


On the topic of Lacey getting pregnant, I agree that it would be the worse thing for everyone involved right now. They are still young and maybe somewhere five to ten years down the line they will be healthy enougth to be good parents. But right now it would just be another level of hellish stress.

Also keeping Lacey at home is not a healthy solution either. A person is like the Parthenon, no one pillar can support them. Both Lacey and Mcs path towards healing and growth will only be benefited by being as involved with friends, work, and hobbies as possible. Other types of non-romantic, non-sexual fulfillment will only do them both good.

I have a very different view on the characters than some of the users on here. But I can understand even those I ardently disagree with, and get why they have their point of view. However everything that user said just seems unhealthy to the max.

 

[EumenestheGood]

The willingness to cheat will be there whether there are 15 children or 1 or 0.
If you exclude the recovery time from childbirth, which depends completely on how the birth is performed (C section, normal or assisted) and if a episiotomy is done or not, then it is free for all.

To be clear, this is not to indicate that Lacey would be willing to cheat.

There are some people that actually enjoy having their partner feeling accomplished, as an artist for example or that recognize that having Lacey be a mother in her current state would be horrible for the child, she is scarring a full grown adult with ease, maybe it is not the time to be a mother.

Yep! Seeing your partner flourish and thrive in their profession, social life, and hobbies is an amazing feeling. Not to get all soap-boxy but I truly hope those who try to isolate their partners from the world and all other support systems come to understand that they need to grow, and that such behavior damages those they claim to love.

 

[Socom5.0]

Very well put! This game has captured the attention of people from all walks of life. We all see it through the lense of our own experiences. And we all owe it to each other to be respectful, especially when emotions run hot.


On the topic of Lacey getting pregnant, I agree that it would be the worse thing for everyone involved right now. They are still young and maybe somewhere five to ten years down the line they will be healthy enougth to be good parents. But right now it would just be another level of hellish stress.

Also keeping Lacey at home is not a healthy solution either. A person is like the Parthenon, no one pillar can support them. Both Lacey and Mcs path towards healing and growth will only be benefited by being as involved with friends, work, and hobbies as possible. Other types of non-romantic, non-sexual fulfillment will only do them both good.

I have a very different view on the characters than some of the users on here. But I can understand even those I ardently disagree with, and get why they have their point of view. However everything that user said just seems unhealthy to the max.

i think she already blew through her youth as is with everything she did in college as well as the shit she pulled while being married....... thats youth to young to have a child ? MC got a great job and even got promoted no need for a second income. unhealthy staying at home ? as if her college days where so healthy. please use a better excuse than to state something that makes no sense. she needs to be grounded til she can get her own mental health unscrewed. leaving someone thats capable of more harm to herself and her husband loose does not make it better. just gives her more options to do the unthinkable.oh and by the way if youve ever had a child youd know what Materal love does to a women. it grounds them. because there child is there world. dont weaponize youth as an excuse. That excuse is why most of japan is going through a birthing crisis because the excuse they are to young. no what it does is make people not want to date and focus on careers. which can kill most marriages, ya some can manage their career and family and love life. but not everyone. the willininess to cheat is based on a person feeling of being alone, boredom from the life not based off NTR antics that are 9/10 forced by an Author. think reality not based off what youve read from a VN.

 

[Socom5.0]

Yep! Seeing your partner flourish and thrive in their profession, social life, and hobbies is an amazing feeling. Not to get all soap-boxy but I truly hope those who try to isolate their partners from the world and all other support systems come to understand that they need to grow, and that such behavior damages those they claim to love.

this right here is absolute nonsense, you know nothing of a relationship. communication, love,support be it emotional or financial both are important, watching your partner ? is that some kind of tag team race ? a partner is a not commitital word im a commitment such as marriage its a commitment based of your vows,trust and loyalty to one another till death do you part. they are not in an open relationship nor a poly relationship. man married women who has a screw loose and drug addiction along with massive emotional manipulation and narrcissistic behavior issues.both are the worst kind of issues to have in a marriage. shes already messed up no only once but a few times in her persuit to a better job has she not ? dont keep makeing excuses for her behavior with excuses of youth and being to young. Also keeping someone out of social world with those tendancy is a must have. otherwise not only are you giving them reason to do much worse they will absolutely make sure you suffer more because you gave them more than enough ammo to use and enough freedom to do even worse.

 

[DeviantFun]

Yep! Seeing your partner flourish and thrive in their profession, social life, and hobbies is an amazing feeling. Not to get all soap-boxy but I truly hope those who try to isolate their partners from the world and all other support systems come to understand that they need to grow, and that such behavior damages those they claim to love.

You know, the story does depict a lot of true psychology elements.

A interesting one in this conversation is that insecure narcissists would even forbid their partners to have pets, so their attention can't be shared, you can turn it up to 100 and isolate them at home...kind of a disgusting and unhealthy concept, don't you think?

By the way I am not saying that being a full time parent/homemaker is not fulfilling, because it can be, the issue of what to do when the children have grown up and do not need as much of your time is there for sure, but life can be filled with other things, such as hobbies and volunteering.

The Parthenon is a nice metaphor, we see both MC and Lacey being healthier when they have a strong support system around them (aside from Mia, she is the definition of toxic), look at the simple addition of Dianne and the great benefits it brought.

 

[Socom5.0]

You know, the story does depict a lot of true psychology elements.

A interesting one in this conversation is that insecure narcissists would even forbid their partners to have pets, so their attention can't be shared, you can turn it up to 100 and isolate them at home...kind of a disgusting and unhealthy concept, don't you think?

By the way I am not saying that being a full time parent/homemaker is not fulfilling, because it can be, the issue of what to do when the children have grown up and do not need as much of your time is there for sure, but life can be filled with other things, such as hobbies and volunteering.

The Parthenon is a nice metaphor, we see both MC and Lacey being healthier when they have a strong support system around them (aside from Mia, she is the definition of toxic), look at the simple addition of Dianne and the great benefits it brought.

Generally i would agree with you its unhealthy, but Lacey is beyond general in terms of mental stability. yes she has a good support group, but at work shes literally a walking target that has already been targeted multiple times at work and she literally fucked up all three times due to her narcissism. also giving her time to rest and work out her mental stability by not giving her Options that allow her narcissism to effect her daily life is an absolute must.
At home she can focus on herself by goiing to therapy as she should be, watching after her child for the first 5 years which is harder to do than most people realize, plus she has her friends that the MC has around him to help support her.
I am not saying she has to lock herself up in her home im saying a career can and will make Lacey even more unstable due to,
as its already proven, the ability to make her mental state and her cheating much worse than its already been shown.
Reason being ? work Enviroment has what? a ton of people.
Each one can target her as its already been shown shes a massive target for multiple guys, she loves the attention, craves it almost.
And you want to call that healthy for their marriage ? to me its disgusting that anyone would actually say its healthy for her to destroy her marriage by giving her the freedom to damage her mental state more by giving her the enviroment that has proven itself to be the best place accelerate her Narcassistic ways even with support its literally 100x worse they makeing her a stay at home mom.
Like feeding a Monster its favorite food in its favorite hunting ground.
Yes she can still cheat while even at home, but with limited Options and more controlled so she can focus on her mental state than just having to not only manage a fucked up career a fucked up marriage that is spiraling downwards as it is. Normally yes its good to have a Career and have a Social life
and do the things they want in life. AGIAN Lacey isnt exactly in a normal state of mind.
Her MENTAL HEALTH is stupidly damage not only from her family but also from her college days.
Giving her time to focus on that MENTAL HEALTH is paramount to any career
Between Narcassism and emotional manipulation she is like a ticking time bomb in public.