VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Canto Forte]

Here we go the Epstein files route, but for now, he lives in this game: he is the owner of the house who aided and abated all the acts used to blackmail our protagonists; blackmail does not require evidence or truth, it only requires that, effectively, the whatever information going public is the reason the victims cave to the demands. We have clear demanding assailants doing overt and direct blackmail. We have a direct plotline explaining in painstaking detail how Lavcey was going to someone who provided the drugs and housed, encouraged and made videos of the rapists who used and abused her while she was high as a kite for hours on end; this is the only concluson of the detailed account of a current Ketamin legal user, a player in this thread, who is getting it as a treatment in a hospital; according to that testimony, on this thread, the dose of even 0.7 dilluted Ketamine, taken in the span of hours, while lying on a bed, made the recipient be out of all sensory apprehension and effectively become unconcious of anything in their real surroundings, while the effects of it wearing off were deep and immovable sleep.
We know for a fact now, because of this testimony: Lacey was absolutely out of her mind because of the drug, whichever way it was administered and after the effects wore off, she was a deep sleeper - confirming totaly that she was basically a sleeve for all the rapists and she could not possibly even know of her surroundings, let alone consent or have any coherent thought about being gang raped. Everyone knew she was a rag doll, one inanimate fkking sex doll and they still raped her countless times while she was senseless.
Enjoy your idolatry of all these despicable horrendous facts and know that the more you know, the less you will understand this game or the story behind it.

Mind you, ketamine done by IV is STRONG, way stronger than snorting it, like on a whole different level, this is why you can use 0.5-1g regularly, while in IV you will probably use milligrams.

I share your difficulty in describing the sensations, I am glad I am not the only one

lol yeah i was talking to @Maviarab about it she SOOO reminded me of mia especially when she tried the Blackmail shit i was like whoa and finding out she was trying to get some kind of revenge on the FMC, it's almost a reverse of this game the "landlady/Mom" corrupted Lucia kind of like Mia "Corrupting" Lacey

By the end of s1 and with the start of s2, I'd say my most disliked character shifted from Lucia to FMC

Would have been interesting if we could get to see it, you know how adamant I am about uncovering Lacey's past fully, as it is key to the whole "healing".

That's a field trip/day for any lawyer. It's super easy to argument. The whole minors thing is bullshit as both, they are over the age of consent and they are doing sexual acts against someone who clearly can't consent. And sorry Mav, but the distribution charge won't stick, they aren't the ones passing around the video, at least that we are aware. They're participants on a rape but unless they are the ones that uploaded the video for rating for example , the distribution one ain't sticking.

In the end it was just Veronica pushing and pressuring so Lacey cedes and Jared had what he wanted without her having to sacrifice her oh so important glass ceiling position on the company. Bad corpo bitch.

Still i wonder what happened to the usb with both of the videos

The story is way biger than the past, the story is about Lacey being effectively unable to escape the past, her abusers, her fears, her rapists and the game keeps piling on her and driving MC mad countless times. this is not a breaking point waiting to happen; it is the horror after.

 

[DeviantFun]

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Well, two corrections:

1. Lacey was never unconscious, or at least this is never shown in the material, she is very fucked up tho, and I share your sentiment about consent, especially because:
   
   M "But a lot of times she'd be okay when things were happening."
   M "Probably because she was in a K-hole."
   M "But after, she'd come to me and cry a lot."
   
   
2. The amount of K you are referencing is IV, which is a whole different thing, I will keep on stressing this out, we are comparing apples to oranges here, she still took a lot, probably several grams every time?

 

[Canto Forte]

The amount of K you are referencing is IV, which is a whole different thing

Which is why the reasoning was sound, in my honest opinion: if 0.7 grams of Ketamine is dilluted in a whole 500ML IV over the span of two hours and it makes the receipient go looney and instantly start seeing anything else than reality, just imagine what absolute K.O. someone would be taking full grams, non dilluted, in one shot.

she still took a lot, probably several grams every time?

As you have quoted the distributor: Lacey was instantly out of it and could not express herself at all. Think about a way smaller drug - a Extasy or date rape drug - one pill of infinitely smaller dosage of a mind numbing drug makes women become unresponsive and the rapists will use it the same way as it is described here: she cannot express any thought, she cannot have motor functions working to stip the rape and afterwards comes the deep sleep for hours, making the rapists have enough time to wipe all traces and dissapear, while the victim would remember fragments of whatever her eyes were really seeing, while her drugged mind was dreaming of Valeian and the city of 1000 worlds. Of course she would cry for days after, remembering the horror of being basically Uma Thurman in Kill Bill 1 - in a coma, unresponsive, getting raped every other night by the attending and only recoverinng buts and pieces of the horror after coming to.

"But after, she'd come to me and cry a lot."

"But a lot of times she'd be okay when things were happening."

 

[Maviarab]

Well, two corrections:

1. Lacey was never unconscious, or at least this is never shown in the material, she is very fucked up tho, and I share your sentiment about consent, especially because:
   
   M "But a lot of times she'd be okay when things were happening."
   M "Probably because she was in a K-hole."
   M "But after, she'd come to me and cry a lot."
   
   
2. The amount of K you are referencing is IV, which is a whole different thing, I will keep on stressing this out, we are comparing apples to oranges here, she still took a lot, probably several grams every time?

On the K, the amounts and the use....I'd like it if at some point we find out exactly how she was using it. Common sense suggests she was snorting with the same equipment Mia brought around....would add a whole new level though if we were to find out she was actually injecting too at times...

 

[AL.d]

Well, two corrections:

1. Lacey was never unconscious, or at least this is never shown in the material, she is very fucked up tho, and I share your sentiment about consent, especially because:
   
   M "But a lot of times she'd be okay when things were happening."
   M "Probably because she was in a K-hole."
   M "But after, she'd come to me and cry a lot."
   
   
2. The amount of K you are referencing is IV, which is a whole different thing, I will keep on stressing this out, we are comparing apples to oranges here, she still took a lot, probably several grams every time?

In my opinion, it's pointless to really focus on this, because much like her brain damage, K portrayal is all over the place. I won't even go into how it works irl, just with what we've seen in the game. The times MC has seen/interacted with Lacey on K (not a description from someone else), she has been fully functional and very coherent. Very talkative even. That just doesn't fit with the unresponsive doll getting raped in college image.

Also from a meta perspective, I seriously doubt dev would want the heat from the implications that plot point would have. A serial rape victim who's constantly berated and in some routes, even physically abused by the player as "punishment" for their rapes? That's a very good way to have Patreon on your ass. Devs go out of their way to disguise even fictional "aphrodisiac" shit, as magic pills that make you do what you always wanted....Patreon is known to drop the hammer even on fantasy "love potions".

 

[JEER0X]

So based on what your saying the Rape tag should be on this game

 

[AL.d]

So based on what your saying the Rape tag should be on this game

Nope. It wouldn't make sense for the way the game is written.

a) It's inconsistent with how K use is shown to be in the game.

b) It makes the central friction point of the game moot. I've always said that Lacey has done enough horrible shit within the marriage, that I found MC's obsessive focus on past events too much. But that's how he is written. Now imagine if that obsession of his that causes all the arguments and fights, was about her being serially raped for years.....It completely destroys MC's character and all that friction becomes nonsensical.

 

[Canto Forte]

What about her accepting the abusers into her life right now? How does MC living alongside a guy who gave her so much pain, like you said, it is canon she was always crying her heart out after each and every one of those sexcapades.
It still makes zero sense for Lacey to ever even exist in the same zip code or area with those monsters, who had made her life absolute hell, objectively, for years on end - 1400 days is, what: 3 and a half years of constant hell.

It completely destroys MC's character and all that friction becomes nonsensical.

Like you said, it is canon, regardless of whatever MC has seen of her, those times are canonized as absolute horror.
Lacey berating and gaslighting MC while being buddy buddy with her tormentors is a trash plot point and nonsensical NTR for shits.
Her accepting blatant rewrites of history from her abusers, the people causing her incomprehensible pain and suffering for years on end, coming on to her now and her being complacent to let them ride her again, that is SUS as fkk.

 

[Maviarab]

What about her accepting the abusers into her life right now? How does MC living alongside a guy who gave her so much pain, like you said, it is canon she was always crying her heart out after each and every one of those sexcapades.
It still makes zero sense for Lacey to ever even exist in the same zip code or area with those monsters, who had made her life absolute hell, objectively, for years on end - 1400 days is, what: 3 and a half years of constant hell.

Like you said, it is canon, regardless of whatever MC has seen of her, those times are canonized as absolute horror.
Lacey berating and gaslighting MC while being buddy buddy with her tormentors is a trash plot point and nonsensical NTR for shits.
Her accepting blatant rewrites of history from her abusers, the people causing her incomprehensible pain and suffering for years on end, coming on to her now and her being complacent to let them ride her again, that is SUS as fkk.

I'm detuned to your usual coked up wittering but seriously...wtf are you on about this time?

She slept with no one for the first two years of college. I swear half of this thread are playing/reading a different fucking VN to me.

 

[DeviantFun]

I'm detuned to your usual coked up wittering but seriously...wtf are you on about this time?

She slept with no one for the first two years of college. I swear half of this thread are playing/reading a different fucking VN to me.

Well she did suffer from other ailments in the first two years, probably more than the third, which was filled with hedonistic and fun parts.

You know, raves, sharing toothbrushes, going to carnivals....

The first two years were solitude, depression, alcohol and at some point drugs.

And tbh I think the first part is relative to how much she was suffering while Mia was playing her game and ignoring her victim feelings, add Isaac into the mix.
Lorenzo is the only "innocent" dude here haha

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Nope. It wouldn't make sense for the way the game is written.

a) It's inconsistent with how K use is shown to be in the game.

b) It makes the central friction point of the game moot. I've always said that Lacey has done enough horrible shit within the marriage, that I found MC's obsessive focus on past events too much. But that's how he is written. Now imagine if that obsession of his that causes all the arguments and fights, was about her being serially raped for years.....It completely destroys MC's character and all that friction becomes nonsensical.

Im sorry but i have to disagree, the fact that the results of the drug usage is inconsistent is not an excuse, it is rape as a backstory, the fact is that she had sex while been drugged, as soon as one of the college dudes knew she was high, makes it rape. (Even if sometimes it was enabled and allowed by both Mia and/or herself) It dosent matter if she was happy and chatty or completely fucked up to the point she turned into a doll. How much willingly put herself in that position is another story.

Not that it diminishes any of her fucked up choices Lacey makes during the marriage. Like almost prostituting herself for a fake job or cheating with Damian, all the lying and the gaslighting, etc... All that are still central points on the story but Lacey does have both rape in college and at least sexual assault by the father as background and she still has to answer and be held accountable for her own terrible decissions.

MC can and should be angry about both, what happened and her decisions in her past (college) and what she did during the marriage. One does not excuse or reduces the importance of the other.

 

[gino.pilotino]

Well she did suffer from other ailments in the first two years, probably more than the third, which was filled with hedonistic and fun parts.

You know, raves, sharing toothbrushes, going to carnivals....

The first two years were solitude, depression, alcohol and at some point drugs.

And tbh I think the first part is relative to how much she was suffering while Mia was playing her game and ignoring her victim feelings, add Isaac into the mix.
Lorenzo is the only "innocent" dude here haha

At this point, I changed my mind about you. So tell me. Do you think Isaac is a negative character? I have mixed feelings about him. But as you know, I've only read the story once.

 

[duckydoodoo]

idk, i think too much energy is wasted on discussing the effects of K on the junkie whore. ive known many drug addicts and alcoholics in my life. the amount of drugs and booze they can consume in a single use can be mind boggling and enough to kill an elephant. and other times a new drug will knock em on their ass. we gotta just take the devs version of laceys addiction as her junkie truth.lol

 

[AL.d]

Im sorry but i have to disagree, the fact that the results of the drug usage is inconsistent is not an excuse, it is rape as a backstory, the fact is that she had sex while been drugged, as soon as one of the college dudes knew she was high, makes it rape. (Even if sometimes it was enabled and allowed by both Mia and/or herself) It dosent matter if she was happy and chatty or completely fucked up to the point she turned into a doll. How much willingly put herself in that position is another story.

Not that it diminishes any of her fucked up choices Lacey makes during the marriage. Like almost prostituting herself for a fake job or cheating with Damian, all the lying and the gaslighting, etc... All that are still central points on the story but Lacey does have both rape in college and at least sexual assault by the father as background and she still has to answer and be held accountable for her own terrible decissions.

MC can and should be angry about both, what happened and her decisions in her past (college) and what she did during the marriage. One does not excuse or reduces the importance of the other.

You have to go by the standards the story presents to you. By your logic, MC and his/her pals, happily witnessed her getting raped on live feed. As said, she had used a lot and she should be looking very obviously high to anyone with basic social awareness. Just like the college events, not one character comments on that event in that light. And you even call it cheating in the very same post.

Honestly I find all the rape talk both very headcanon-ish and quite needless for a game that doesn't show any. Especially for a game that evokes strong emotions and includes a tag that, for some reason causes a certain group of people to become....disruptive to a game's development. If you know what I mean...

 

[DeviantFun]

At this point, I changed my mind about you. So tell me. Do you think Isaac is a negative character? I have mixed feelings about him. But as you know, I've only read the story once.

He is and he isn't.
Overall now, he is harmless and actually helpful, if we don't get a "subvert your expectations" moment a la Ryan Johnson.

The problem we have with him is that he is shown as early '00s movie school bully.
Oh he acts out BUT he does so because he is suffering soooo much at home.

The fact is that he recognized Kelly by her tits, was extremely aggressive towards her and MC, essentially treated a drugged up girl (some of my fellow posters here would say whore) as a sex toy regardless of her well being, as we know he was hurting her AND she was using copious amount of stuff right in front of him.

Remember, he found her "because he wanted to party before moving out" and Lacey had a very active pimp that didn't like the idea of her being sober and quitting "the life".
When it is time to face some consequences after the club event, he goes and tries to convince her to leave her husband.

Then we have the act 2 makeover (it is not the same character), where we find a "hurt puppy" without a spine (you don't make it to the NFL with that attitude, but ok it is fiction after all), which latches on to MC for narrative reasons.

None of the things he says or do can clear his past mistakes nor makes him look good anyway, the damage is done, if this wasn't fiction, MC would not have a director position atm, no company wants that kind of press, he would be sidelined in a heartbeat.

Going back to apologize to MC WHILE the offer to Lacey still stands? Magically everyone forgot about that, author and MC included.

So while the fact that he was somewhat hurting is hinted in act 1 and is developed in act 2, the transition from asshole to youth pastor is quite sudden, and it still doesn't clear him for his past mistakes, if he understood he should have apologized publically and stayed away from Lacey and MC forever.

It is funny how the concept of consent is now completely clear to Isaac:

IS "I'm lucky. Got every damn room in my house all up with security cameras."
IS "And I make sure anyone I bring home clearly says yes, so I got that shit on tape."
IS "Well, not tape.. I guess like up in the cloud or some shit."

It surely wasn't when he was with Lacey, I guess people can grow?

You have to go by the standards the story presents to you. By your logic, MC and his/her pals, happily witnessed her getting raped on live feed. As said, she had used a lot and she should be looking very obviously high to anyone with basic social awareness. Just like the college events, not one character comments on that event in that light. And you even call it cheating in the very same post.

Honestly I find all the rape talk both very headcanon-ish and quite needless for a game that doesn't show any. Especially for a game that evokes strong emotions and includes a tag that, for some reason causes a certain group of people to become....disruptive to a game's development. If you know what I mean...

it is more moral-ish than headcanon-ish.
Some people do not consider it a bad thing, others do.

We all know Lacey wanted to do those things, but only when she was drugged up, regretting them after or suffering because of them.

Bastion is a weird case, he is approached and has no clue during the whole encounter that Lacey is drugged, after all she is very vocal and happy with him, albeit some things she says are confusing.

This is the risk of looking for shock value at any cost, sometimes you commit a faux pas.

I get what you mean btw, the topic has been exhausted on my end anyway.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

By your logic, MC and his/her pals, happily witnessed her getting raped on live feed.

Yes, they saw it and it was like that(it was rape). Except one she chose to let it happen and two Damian as far as we know didn't know that she was drugged.

Thats why i called it cheating, because she was willing to get fucked, prepared for it and Damian never was aware of her being drugged so there's no willingness on his side to commit a crime (rape). In cases like this, that awareness and knowledge that their partner mind is under some influence is one of the most important aspects. As that affects the consent during and after the act.

In the entire game Lacey act in ways that puts herself in the position to be raped/sexually assaulted , either by been under the influence of alcohol or drugs or by coercion/pressure of someone else.

While there is rape/SA, to me the most important thing about it in the game is not the acts in itself as it is mostly part of the background story. It is her active willingness to be in those situations.

it is more moral-ish than headcanon-ish

It is actually very fascinating from the legal perspective, technicality of the written vs spirit of the law. Depending of the judge ruling, the fact that the dude fucking Lacey knew she was drugged/drunk or not could change the entire ruling sentence.

 

[JEER0X]

Nope. It wouldn't make sense for the way the game is written.

a) It's inconsistent with how K use is shown to be in the game.

b) It makes the central friction point of the game moot. I've always said that Lacey has done enough horrible shit within the marriage, that I found MC's obsessive focus on past events too much. But that's how he is written. Now imagine if that obsession of his that causes all the arguments and fights, was about her being serially raped for years.....It completely destroys MC's character and all that friction becomes nonsensical.

if she was so drugged up that she was out of it she could not give consent hence rape...just saying, and even if she agreed to having sex before doing the (K) who knows what really happened during these "drug trips" more and more guys who wasn't supposed to be banging her probably joined in and she was in no state of mind to accept anything and Mia sure as hell wouldn't stop them.

I never even thought of this till you posted and i don't know why i didn't.

 

[DeviantFun]

if she was so drugged up that she was out of it she could not give consent hence rape...just saying, and even if she agreed to having sex before doing the (K) who knows what really happened during these "drug trips" more and more guys who wasn't supposed to be banging her probably joined in and she was in no state of mind to accept anything and Mia sure as hell wouldn't stop them.

I never even thought of this till you posted and i don't know why i didn't.

Well it does not change what Lacey has done or her mindset, what it does change is how we perceive her partners aside from the early ones and maybe Lorenzo.

But it is obvious that this is an aspect that is not considered in the game, not even Mc does (look at the entrance to the KW before he meets Anna).

It is fine I guess, we know that Lacey was more than willing anyway.

 

[JEER0X]

Well it does not change what Lacey has done or her mindset, what it does change is how we perceive her partners aside from the early ones and maybe Lorenzo.

But it is obvious that this is an aspect that is not considered in the game, not even Mc does (look at the entrance to the KW before he meets Anna).

It is fine I guess, we know that Lacey was more than willing anyway.

ugh i hate that last line you said but it is a game so i guess

 

[AL.d]

But it is obvious that this is an aspect that is not considered in the game, not even Mc does (look at the entrance to the KW before he meets Anna).

This is the crux of it.

The fact that Isaac gets a whole ass redemption arc for being a cocky douche to MC once and visiting his ex, pretty much proves how the writer sees those college events. If the story considered those events differently, there is no way it would treat that character this way. His supposed offenses would be nothing compared to that and there would be no redemption whatsoever.

This is not something that can be shoved under the rug, it changes the story at its core. If no character is acknowledging the supposed mammoth in the room in any way, it's because for the story, there is no mammoth.