VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Pugthulhu]

Why we all say....a second 'playing' is a must in this VN. When you can go through it without constantly wondering what the hell is going to happen next...you pick up a lot more of the nuance in the writing, what is said and also unsaid.

Yes, and this is getting more and more likely as I continue to post.

It will happen and for sure I'll do it before Act 3.

 

[DeviantFun]

Yes, and this is getting more and more likely as I continue to post.

It will happen and for sure I'll do it before Act 3.

Or you could go to the deep end and do more than 20 replays and start quoting the game by memory like someone does in this thread.

Can't remember who, probably some sort of deviant.

 

[Pugthulhu]

Hm I am not sure that it would make sense about the pregnancy or abortion, how could being with MC "keep that at bay" or resurface when she was without him?
It is too big for him to keep at bay with some food and care.

Crysus might be on to something here, maybe MC behaviour (rules) and being "her other half" helped her not spiral and be a bad person?

I don't really know what to make of it.



It wasn't supposed to gain traction, a sort of follow up was supposed to happen, but not as this.

If you look at the act 1 ending, it does sort of feel like an ending.

I sort of remember there was a post about having several acts, probably on patreon.

CrysusPariah2 pays more attention than me there, so he might know.

What if she can't have kids because of the abuse. Maybe she had gotten pregnant and either complications or an abortion backfired and she lost the ability.

Personally, I think this is a stretch because of the conversation she has had about it. Plus the fact that it would have been something that the rules helped with.

But what if her "big" lie is her telling the MC how much she wants to have his children while knowing that she will never be able to. And she can't tell him because she thinks if he knew he would leave.

 

[CrysusPariah2]

On a side note, does anyone know if there is a planned end at this point? Has Prof said anything about a conclusion?

There is no clear statement so far, as to how long it will go.
It was supposed to be a small palate cleanser for the dev to clear their mind, but turned out to be their most popular VN yet, so i they expanded the scope and i hope it goes on for as long as possible

by the titles of the acts it appear to be following some phychological step programme like the stages of grief, just can’t remember which one at the moment

 

[CrysusPariah2]

What if she can't have kids because of the abuse. Maybe she had gotten pregnant and either complications or an abortion backfired and she lost the ability.

Personally, I think this is a stretch because of the conversation she has had about it. Plus the fact that it would have been something that the rules helped with.

But what if her "big" lie is her telling the MC how much she wants to have his children while knowing that she will never be able to. And she can't tell him because she thinks if he knew he would leave.

She won’t be infertile or the like, or at the very least isn’t aware of it, otherwise the conversation about having children in the beginning of Act 1 wouldn’t make any sense.

also describing a medical condition as her other side just sounds weird.
It has to be psychological/behavioural in some way

 

[DeviantFun]

What if she can't have kids because of the abuse. Maybe she had gotten pregnant and either complications or an abortion backfired and she lost the ability.

Personally, I think this is a stretch because of the conversation she has had about it. Plus the fact that it would have been something that the rules helped with.

But what if her "big" lie is her telling the MC how much she wants to have his children while knowing that she will never be able to. And she can't tell him because she thinks if he knew he would leave.

I don't see it, Lacey lies are...more subtle.

She uses half truths and deception, she very rarely lies fully denying something she knows is unrecoverable.

I know I sound crazy but let me try to explain with a couple of examples:

• I never had a boyfriend -> true but...
• I did not notice Jared was touching me -> deceive MC putting blame on him
• Isaac was a jerk -> she actually thinks he was a jerk but we also know...
• Nobody wanted to be my BF -> the vast majority of men used me as a sex toy but...

I do not see Lacey lie over something so big, especially Lacey act 2.

Plus we have both shower convo early act 1 (sometimes I forget you know me so well) and the therapy objectives early act 2 that really underline her desire.

She won’t be infertile or the like, or at the very least isn’t aware of it, otherwise the conversation about having children in the beginning of Act 1 wouldn’t make any sense.

also describing a medical condition as her other side just sounds weird.
It has to be psychological/behavioural in some way

Yeah, agreed, making a medical condition the other side would be weird, maybe some sort of mild schizophrenia or split personality but I don't know, now we are getting fictional.

 

[Pugthulhu]

She won’t be infertile or the like, or at the very least isn’t aware of it, otherwise the conversation about having children in the beginning of Act 1 wouldn’t make any sense.

also describing a medical condition as her other side just sounds weird.
It has to be psychological/behavioural in some way

I agree that I don't think this will be it.
However, I think it would be more of the guilt and lie she is living about it that is what she is keeping from the MC.

Now, lets look at this from a logical side.
Do you really believe that Lacey spent an entire year high on Ket, banging everything that moves, and she remembered to take her birth control? I guess she could have a long term implant for BC though.

 

[Pugthulhu]

I don't see it, Lacey lies are...more subtle.

She uses half truths and deception, she very rarely lies fully denying something she knows is unrecoverable.

I know I sound crazy but let me try to explain with a couple of examples:

• I never had a boyfriend -> true but...
• I did not notice Jared was touching me -> deceive MC putting blame on him
• Isaac was a jerk -> she actually thinks he was a jerk but we also know...
• Nobody wanted to be my BF -> the vast majority of men used me as a sex toy but...

I do not see Lacey lie over something so big, especially Lacey act 2.

Plus we have both shower convo early act 1 (sometimes I forget you know me so well) and the therapy objectives early act 2 that really underline her desire.



Yeah, agreed, making a medical condition the other side would be weird, maybe some sort of mild schizophrenia or split personality but I don't know, now we are getting fictional.

You're right. Like I said I don't think it's the case, but it's fun to put it out there and discuss it.

But, the fact is... with all of the stuff the MC has already learned and/or knows about her, what is there that could be as bad as her description makes it seem?

 

[DeviantFun]

I agree that I don't think this will be it.
However, I think it would be more of the guilt and lie she is living about it that is what she is keeping from the MC.

Now, lets look at this from a logical side.
Do you really believe that Lacey spent an entire year high on Ket, banging everything that moves, and she remembered to take her birth control? I guess she could have a long term implant for BC though.

Add that alcohol and drugs could actually interfere with BC, unless it is physical such as caps and the like metal spirals (does anyone use them anymore?).

Sort of unbelievable otherwise, but still more believable than her being able to graduate or being able to fund her drug addiction by herself.

You're right. Like I said I don't think it's the case, but it's fun to put it out there and discuss it.

But, the fact is... with all of the stuff the MC has already learned and/or knows about her, what is there that could be as bad as her description makes it seem?

A self hating, self distructive personality maybe.

Honestly, my gut feeling is that Lacey will try to keep it hidden, but when it comes out, MC will be able to accept it and "cure" it effortlessly.

Maybe this other side is also why we don't hear much of Lacey's therapy sessions.

 

[CrysusPariah2]

Now, lets look at this from a logical side.
Do you really believe that Lacey spent an entire year high on Ket, banging everything that moves, and she remembered to take her birth control? I guess she could have a long term implant for BC though.

There have been multiple theories over the months that Lacey must have gotten pregnant at some point.

They boil down to:
- ruining another first for MC
- junkie doesn’t keep track of birth control
- that’s why she needed extra time after graduating before returning to MC
- that’s the reason why she was actually throwing up during the phone call at the cliffs
- she might have a secret love child, and her other side, could be a failed motherly side
- and now my theory of pre college due to abuse

None of us would be surprised if any of this is revealed, but so far nothing has been substantiated, so right now it is pornlogic: no unwanted pregnancies and no STDs

 

[CrysusPariah2]

But, the fact is... with all of the stuff the MC has already learned and/or knows about her, what is there that could be as bad as her description makes it seem?

Hopefully a lot

 

[Pugthulhu]

Maybe this other side is also why we don't hear much of Lacey's therapy sessions.

I agree. If the therapy is happening like I think it is. We as the viewer cannot witness it because of the info it would give us.

- ruining another first for MC

L "I have to tell you my final secret"
MC "I feel the clenching in my chest."
L "Before we met I had a friend since I could talk."
L "He had 244 rules he kept to help keep me sane."
L "I'm so sorry, but you weren't my first protector."

 

[Maviarab]

Act 1 wouldn’t make any sense.

But, the fact is... with all of the stuff the MC has already learned and/or knows about her, what is there that could be as bad as her description makes it seem?

Does make you wonder eh? I mean...what could be worse than has already happened/been revealed? And the succubus doesn't believe even the pimp is aware?

Add that alcohol and drugs could actually interfere with BC, unless it is physical such as caps and the like metal spirals (does anyone use them anymore?).

Coil was very popular here until the birth (see what I did there) of the wire IUD device. Still not the most popular here, pill or implant is. Stateside...no idea...like you said..porn logic.

Hopefully a lot

Hahaha...I thought I was the threads antagonist/villian?

 

[Pugthulhu]

Does make you wonder eh? I mean...what could be worse than has already happened/been revealed? And the succubus doesn't believe even the pimp is aware?

So the material says "Maybe Mia get's it? But maybe not."
This leads me to believe that Mia knows of it, but maybe she doesn't know it's a problem.

I don't know. The only thing I can think is that it's something that isn't that big a deal, but Lacey has made it something big and possibly it is something that would be important to the MC, but from the outside looking in with the information we know it doesn't seem like a big deal.
Maybe during the three weeks she married Isaac and got it annulled afterwards and so the MC was not even her first husband. Although I think if this were the case Isaac would have used that against the MC during the bar fight.

 

[CrysusPariah2]

So the material says "Maybe Mia get's it? But maybe not."
This leads me to believe that Mia knows of it, but maybe she doesn't know it's a problem.

I think it’s that the other side’s behaviour came out either during the parties at some point or when she was in a self-destructive spiral, and since Lacey was high at the time, and it can’t be considered normal behaviour to being with, Mia couldn’t tell that something was wrong.

Maybe the ket wore of halfway through a session and her behaviour didn’t revert to “normal” because of the other side and that’s why Mia didn’t notice anything

 

[DeviantFun]

So the material says "Maybe Mia get's it? But maybe not."
This leads me to believe that Mia knows of it, but maybe she doesn't know it's a problem.

Mia has an issue: she is the dumbest person on earth.

She has idiotic plans to cure Lacey's trauma (that she wouldn't do herself), she never understood Lacey a lick (which would sort of being important considering what she "drug her through") , is so evil that when she sees her friend finally "coming up for air" and marry the man she loves she tries to destroy him and her dream to be somewhat normal (the original plan was just this) , then when she realizes that the guy is not that bad she goes into "play acting" and then, obviously not happy with it all, finds another vulnerable person and puts her as a bench warmer making her leave her old life to see if the plan can go through.

So, in reality Mia does not have the mental capacity to understand what is happening around her. (or is so self centered that it actually does not matter to her like at the KW or at the promo party).

She is probably top 5 most evil/worst character I have ever read in a novel.

Wait, I am not done, while she is trying to "comfort" MC she shits on his pain saying stuff like "I am sorry your wife enjoyed sex with other men" (completely missing the point) and NEVER take responsability about her actions ("why did YOU let me ruin your life").

I don't know. The only thing I can think is that it's something that isn't that big a deal, but Lacey has made it something big and possibly it is something that would be important to the MC, but from the outside looking in with the information we know it doesn't seem like a big deal.
Maybe during the three weeks she married Isaac and got it annulled afterwards and so the MC was not even her first husband. Although I think if this were the case Isaac would have used that against the MC during the bar fight.

hahaha you're going into some serious speculation here.

 

[Pugthulhu]

Mia has an issue: she is the dumbest person on earth.

She has idiotic plans to cure Lacey's trauma (that she wouldn't do herself), she never understood Lacey a lick (which would sort of being important considering what she "drug her through") , is so evil that when she sees her friend finally "coming up for air" and marry the man she loves she tries to destroy him and her dream to be somewhat normal (the original plan was just this) , then when she realizes that the guy is not that bad she goes into "play acting" and then, obviously not happy with it all, finds another vulnerable person and puts her as a bench warmer making her leave her old life to see if the plan can go through.

So, in reality Mia does not have the mental capacity to understand what is happening around her. (or is so self centered that it actually does not matter to her like at the KW or at the promo party).

She is probably top 5 most evil/worst character I have ever read in a novel.

Wait, I am not done, while she is trying to "comfort" MC she shits on his pain saying stuff like "I am sorry your wife enjoyed sex with other men" (completely missing the point) and NEVER take responsability about her actions ("why did YOU let me ruin your life").

Preach on Brother!


I just have a hard time seeing a big secret being something abstract. By her "other side" it sounds like something in her personality rather than an outside force.
And if it is something that she has been dealing with since before she left it would lead me to believe it has something to do with her family. Maybe she will admit that she liked the abuse from her parents. That would make sense with Mia not understanding if Lacey knew Mia's secret.

But then again, maybe we are making to much out of this...

 

[CrysusPariah2]

Preach on Brother!


I just have a hard time seeing a big secret being something abstract. By her "other side" it sounds like something in her personality rather than an outside force.
And if it is something that she has been dealing with since before she left it would lead me to believe it has something to do with her family. Maybe she will admit that she liked the abuse from her parents. That would make sense with Mia not understanding if Lacey knew Mia's secret.

But then again, maybe we are making to much out of this...

Lacey doesn’t know Mia’s secret

 

[DeviantFun]

Preach on Brother!


I just have a hard time seeing a big secret being something abstract. By her "other side" it sounds like something in her personality rather than an outside force.
And if it is something that she has been dealing with since before she left it would lead me to believe it has something to do with her family. Maybe she will admit that she liked the abuse from her parents. That would make sense with Mia not understanding if Lacey knew Mia's secret.

But then again, maybe we are making to much out of this...

Lacey doesn’t know Mia’s secret

Yes Lacey only knows the effect of the secret, she does not know the details, as Mia doesn't know the detais of hers it seems.

I agree, it is something psychological, unrelated to sex (I pray we don't get dumbed down with something like that) and that has or potentially has an impact on Lacey behaviour.

Other than that, we are in the dark.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

So the material says "Maybe Mia get's it? But maybe not."
This leads me to believe that Mia knows of it, but maybe she doesn't know it's a problem.

I don't know. The only thing I can think is that it's something that isn't that big a deal, but Lacey has made it something big and possibly it is something that would be important to the MC, but from the outside looking in with the information we know it doesn't seem like a big deal.
Maybe during the three weeks she married Isaac and got it annulled afterwards and so the MC was not even her first husband. Although I think if this were the case Isaac would have used that against the MC during the bar fight.

I was the one who threw the pregnancy in college theory first, the father being unknown (Maybe one of the party goers), and to add to it, i would say that she had the kid and abandoned it for adoption or in foster care or similar... it would definetly trigger MC abandonement issues, checking the "MC is not ready and maybe never will" box. And Mia wont think of an abandoned kid as an issue, to her it would be a thing of the past, so it wouldnt matter.

Plus it would be a possible drama hook for the future when both MC and Lacey are more stable and they decide to search for the kid. It should be a sort of later Acts thing, through. And Lacey would have to show a lot of redemption on it to both MC and the hipothetical child.

As for being married to Isaac... Nah, something similar is gonna happen in act 3, i can feel it... Its vegas, it always comes with a quick visit to a chapel to get married by elvis... Its kind of the law, you get to vegas you get married... Im saying Lacey gonna end shitfaced completely drunk and about to get married to a stranger just to get saved moments before by the MC. With a new discussion on how "little" marriage means to her.