Anna being a secret misogynist? I don't even have an answer how ridiculous that sound.
Dude, I don't have words to express how unhinged you sound right now (1). There is nothing secret about it. Go to the scene where Anna secretly records Lacey talking with Isaac. (because that's a normal thing to do) Then control skip to the place where she takes Gristle's place and is sadistically abusing Lacey.
(1) whatever your gender, you are acting like a dude bro, dude.
Here's the not-at-all misogynist Anna
Lacey: I wanted to give you a chance to finish
Anna: how thoughtful,
Did you let Isaac finish
Inside of you, repeatedly for three weeks?
. . .
Anna mocking Lacey' "But because I kind of still want you, could you just ignore that I'm a total skank"
Her insults are slut shaming. She calls women sexist names. This is how pick me's talks. She continues to grill Lacey for something that Lacey doesn't need to apologize for. Lacey did nothing wrong! She had sex in college and then she had a conversation - in her own god damned house - with someone she dated in college and then politely turned him down and expressed her love for her husband.
The person in the wrong her is CLEARLY Anna. I mean WTF?! - only porn brain tells you that secretly recording someone is okay. If Lacey weren't a masochistic doormat she would take Anna to task for invading her private space, secretly recording her and then threatening her. In fact Lacey could file a complaint and restraining order against this criminal, misogynist creep. But that won't happen because narrative always wants to take us back to the original sin. *ooooh* Lacey had sex in college and need to have that rubbed in her face on daily basis ! Preferably by her husband or one of her husband's surrogates. Not because they like it! No sir, that's not the reason. No sexual gratification here! Just justice.
For pick me's like Anna, sex is bad and evil and women who have sex need to be publicly shamed. Perhaps be forced to wear a scarlet letter on their chest. Or slapped around a bit - preferably by "nice guys" like Gristle and his surrogate Anna.
Not that Lacey does indeed accept the abuse and get something out of it but seriously: how. the. fuck. can you defend Anna's sexism and insult me for daring to notice it?
As for Lacey, you do realize she fucked in College over the scope of like 2 years triple digit guys, including professors, . . .the term 'cumdump' is pretty fitting when Mia literally needed to help clean her up from all the cum she was covered and filled with.
Who. The. Fuck. Cares.
I ask again
Who. The. Fuck. Cares.
I've sex with many different partners sometimes in group settings and I won't accept your insulting terms for people who *achem* have sex. If oral aggression if your kink and you have a willing partner, great. But don't deny that your kink is based in sexism.
When it come to degrading or denigrating words, its not a gender thing, I will degrade and denigrate people regardless of any gender, racial, ethnic, religious, etc circumstances
And yet you refuse to call this disgusting cock of an MC a disgusting cock.
Because you have misogynistic attitudes. You think women who have sex with multiple partners deserve to denigrated. I can see why you defend this shitbag of an MC - you share some of his attitudes.
Now you defend her saying it was a white lie, in Act 3 we learn that after saying to the MC she'd be coming back to him, effectively agreeing to be his girlfriend she went back and fucked Isaac, which is the first time she effectively cheated on the MC.
I'll review that again. Can you tell about when that happened in the text so I can find a save? If it happened before they were officially together it's not cheating.
The white lie, was it for the MC sake for for her own?
It was both. The author is good enough to represent multiple motivations and different levels of motivations. She wanted to be with him, she was afraid of rejection and she wanted to spare his feelings. It was a white lie
The MC stated he deserved to know the girl he was going to marry had fucked around to that extreme level, it was his right to know who he was marrying, why did she hide it?
Now we are getting somewhere. This is a critically important point: HE. DOES. NOT. DESERVE. TO. KNOW.
Why are you siding with his sense of entitlement?! He
does deserve to know if she had any STDs or if she did anything that would put him or their future children in danger. But that's it. Lacey was not obligated to tell him shit. The fact that he WANTS to know does not mean he deserves to know.
You have a right to ask your partner for an STD test they have ZERO obligation to tell you about their sexual history. Even if you really, really want to know.
You say it was a white lie for his sake, but considering Lacey is shown in the game to be selfish
No. No. No! Gods no! Gaaaaah!
This is a game with unreliable narrators. Gristle says she's selfish. Anna says Lacey is selfish. Lacey agrees she is selfish because she agrees with anything the abusers demand. But her agreement is not proof. I already said that if you are missing the misogyny you are missing 90 percent of the game but if you are missing that the dev is using the unreliable narrator technique you are missing the rest.
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Seriously you are missing the ingredient that separates this AVN from others on the site - this author is capable of using unreliable narrators. We will never learn the truth, we only get glimpses of it.
Again, you cannot take anything
anyone says as truth in this game - this is written like Game of Thrones / ASoIF , first person POV with unreliable narrators
If Gristle said "(justified anger) I think you are a frog Lacey! Just admit that you are a frog!" Lacey would say "You are right, I was acting just like a frog. I was willing to spread my legs and hop onto any lilly pad so that makes me frog"
That doesn't mean it has been proven that Lacey is a frog. I proves that sadist forced a masochist to agree with his degrading statements. One ending might be a formal sub / dom relationship where she wears a dog collar and crawls around and barks like a dog - this won't actually make her a dog, she will remain a masochistic woman who always agrees with her abusers.
This is why fluffing his ego is exactly the wrong medicine. It only feeds his sense of self righteousness. Which feeds his anger, which make his abuse worse.
Nothing has been proven. Nothing. And of all the dishonest people in this game she has been the most honest.
As for the accusation the MC is a wife beater, SHE TOLD HIM TO HIT HER, he didn't just do it out of nowhere she pushed him to do it. Also it was just a slap, not a punch, not a beating, it was a simple slap, which she asked him to do to her.
I return to my statement about race play - I don't care if your partner agreed to it, if you do you are still a racist if you engage in it. I don't care that a broken masochist agreed to be beaten by out of control sadist I care that the fuckbag did it.
As for him going on rant, you mean to himself?
I mean which one? Misogynist ranting is most of what he does. He started ranting about how his wife was slut, whore etc while mia was showing the photos. He said that to mia and to himself and he has said to her multiple times.
Sure I rant to myself all the time - and the things I say when ranting reveal things about about me. If you rant about immigrants and minorities to yourself by yourself that says something about you. If you rant about how women who have sex are sluts and whores and cum dumpsters that says something about you.
Its particular you ignore entirely that Lacey cheated on him
Uh. Reread my review. I devoted an entire paragraph to that.
It ends with "oops"
I think she honestly thought she was doing the right thing. Again, the keystone to her personality is the experience with Isaac - her masochism paid dividends. She believe that
insight is the child of pain and that Gristle needed to feel some pain to understand the lesson she wanted to teach him: sex and intimacy are two different things.
She wanted to rip off the bandage to heal the wound. Stupid idea? Yes. Proof that Lacey wanted to cheat, absolutely not.
As to whether it was cheating? I'm less sure. You are right that withdrawing consent is something he has right to do. The question is whether not she was able to read and process the information in those text. I'm inclined to believe her when she said she was black out drunk + high on K. So message sent but not received by anyone capable of reading and processing text.
We'll never know for certain unless we get flashback from Lacey's POV. But in any case Gristle should have never agreed. I mean the man can force his wife to declare she is a frog so he can demand she not go through with the plan. I mean she makes it very, very clear time and time again that Gristle can tell her to do anything and she will do it. He even has the thought that if he put his mind to it he could really manipulate her even worse than her previous abusers. He could have said no but failed to do so until the last moment.
Why? Why wait until two mintutes before the midnight hour? Because if he stopped at a sane moment he wouldn't have an opportunity to berate her and tell her she's slut. If he put some rules forward at the moment he agreed he wouldn't have had to send last-second texts. In this case she was much more honest - she wanted to prove something to him but
he lied (to himself) about his true motivations. I mean nice guys don't deliberately put their wives into situations where they get to verbally abuse them for hours on hours do they? No it was poor widdle victim Gristle who is really a very nice man who gets to that because his wife is a evil witch. And a frog.
Just like our nice guy didn't set up the poker game - that was done by some monster.
"when do I get to be the monster in the relationship" - Gristle
Um. MC? I have a theory . . . you were always the fucking monster. Weird that "the monster" showed up soon after you said that isn't it? Strange that the monster seems have the same kind of IT skills you do, does it? Must be a coincidence
the fact you defend her actions as perfectly innocent is crazy.
Her motivations, not her actions. I really do think she was doing this for their relationship - it just didn't work out because it was a stupid plan doomed to fail.
The second plan - trying to turn Gristle into a cuck - is a bit more selfish but is similarly an attempt to repair the relationship. It is equal parts selfish and self sacrificing.
As to your comments about Isaac - he is an abuser who took advantage of woman swiming in self loathing. But he caught feelings for her and he is one of the few people in this game capable of psychological growth. His mom read him the riot act and listened to his mom and became a better person.
