NewGuy2022
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That's the last thing the MC needs to be involved in. One train wreck after another. Sheesh.
Too bad he couldn't throw her at Isaac or Bradley instead.
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Too bad he couldn't throw her at Isaac or Bradley instead.
He will never be free as long he doesn't complete the therapy, they guy is worse broken then Lacey. Running away will only cause more problems for him on the long run, first he might think he is ok being away, but then his word train will start again in his head, even if he meets a new girl, he will always doubt her honesty, because he just thrives on feeling that pain he has. Also running away is for losers, for guys who just can't face the truth.
He would had a backbone if he didn't let Lacey leave to the other college, he would had a backbone if he went after her if she still left for that college, he never had a backbone and never will. He would also had a backbone if Lacey ran of and he didn't gone after her that he had moved on and dated and married Anna. But no, deep down he just want to be greedy, have Lacey as his queenbee and all the others as his drool chicks. The guy blames Lacey, but he is a bigger slut himself.
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Not sure that you and I are reading the same story but, okay.
The MC needs to break free from them all by leaving (not the way he did) and, yes, getting a ton of therapy. But getting therapy while remaining with the girls that abused him so much won't get him anywhere.
The MC needs to break free from them all by leaving (not the way he did) and, yes, getting a ton of therapy. But getting therapy while remaining with the girls that abused him so much won't get him anywhere.
That the problem, noone abused him, he abused himself, Lacey never asked his help, yet he made her his problem, the other girls never asked his help, yet he made them all adore him for being the perfect guy, but he is far from perfect, he is possessive and broken in his mind. What Lacey done during college is her own life, if she want to mess her up with drugs and sex all day, that was her problem. But the guy just can't let go to make all girl's problems his, and he will always stay doing that if he doesn't learn to stop that. The biggest monster for the MC is himself.
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Ah yea, I don't remember that mentioned in Act 3, but like I said I skipped most of it, I knew that was something expected to happen, I expected in Act 3, as the first threesome they'd have then Lacey I expected would have proposed one with another guy afterward, you know to give something to the MC in compensation for all the shit she put him thru, but instead it was a proposed one with one of her exs, as for it being a threesome rather than just with the MC, I expect it to happen as part of a threesome to help make the entire thing easier for her.
Expecting anything different is madness, she has no feeling for any men outside the MC, its not like Yue that the MC can reorient in the direction of Bradley, as for Isaac, I have a feeling that would have been a big no no for her, considering he is known to be fairly rough during sex they wouldn't send a virgin his way for sure.
You know I don't get why you are even here, you hate pretty much everyone and you are striving to keep the MC from getting into any relationships else than Lacey, or Lacey included really, I don't get the interest to put yourself thru all this bullshit if you don't even enjoy to some degree a fair amount of the characters or the story.
I mean you might be in just hoping Lacey is going to die, but you can be sure if that happen without the MC having a replacement relationship he'll just die along with her, so you'll play thru 3 more Acts of this just to see the MC & Lacey die, its such a waste of time.
I have significant issues with this game but I have still some hope for an okay ending and hope some supernatural is going to appear to justify all the bullshit, but you don't even seem to have any, are you a masochist by any chance? Because if you don't even go for the little good this game has in favor of just playing it to for misery, I can't imagine any other reason than masochism.
Wow again another along with Nimbus which cause me to ask, why are you guys here? You hate everyone in this story, whats the point? Also calling the MC a loser for running away? You had a sugar coated life huh? The MC has suffered a complete mental breakdown and you expect him to act normal? Its ridiculous.
As for Lacey, I am pretty sure she just disappear to another College, he didn't have the option to keep her because she left without giving him her whereabouts, he isn't a psychic, its not like he could have magically figured where she went, do you know how many College exist in the US alone? He could have spent years going to every campus and try to find her amidst the crowd and fail to do so.
Also you are clearly delusional the MC was insane since he was a kid, and you expect him to act like a normal human being, he was indoctrinated by himself & Lacey to make her the center of his entire existence, their was no recovering from that so easily as you foolishly imply, as for him being greedy? He keep fucking refusing to be with girls, if he was so greedy during the his day in Vegas he'd have fucked the Asian masseuse, he'd have fucked the Dominatrix, he wouldn't be trying to set Yue to date Bradley but instead get her to date him.
And finally remember this is a fucking fiction, the characters act how the Dev dictate, the MC has no control, everything he did he did because he is a puppet of the Dev, if you want to complain about how the characters are just complain about the Dev, they are the one to make those characters that way. So going into a psycho rant about the MC or any of the other characters is ridiculous.
Jeezus, so Lacey didn't cheat on the MC with Damian and has done several questionable things with other men since they have been married? Its all in his head, have you actually played the game at all or just read what the like of Nimbus write and come to your conclusion exclusively based on what is written here rather than the game?
As for Lacey never asking for help? Its clearly stated in the game she made herself the center of the MC's universe, so she might not have verbally asked for help, but when it was offered she took everything he had to give, also he started doing it as a 6 year old, if you think kids shouldn't ever try to help other kids you are a psychopath.
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Like I said previously I think the problem is what define NTR? Its a few separate elements, and personally I think the Dev has issue with likely one specific element, namely loss, everything else the Dev is fine with. I think the Dev doesn't like that NTR stories end with the MC losing the corrupted lover to some corrupter, underestimating the power of love and overestimating the power of corruption. So in this case the story begin with an already corrupted lover, and the Dev clearly intend for them to be together at the end in what would be the 'canon' ending for the story.
If anything I think this game is about Lacey corrupting the MC, or at least trying to do so, so unlike a normal NTR story the corrupter is the lover itself trying to turn the MC, for the sake of both being able to enjoy their corruption together. Well its one of my thoughts on the subject anyway. But yea anyone coming into this expecting zero NTR, missed the tag, and those expecting that the corrupted lover would be 'purified' by the MC rather than trying to bring down the MC into corruption didn't pay attention to how the full depth of Lacey's depravity & delusions, which become apparent before the end of Act 1 and just get more known as each Acts proceed.
So yea the meaning of this game look to be instead of the lover abandoning the MC after the lover's corruption she try to turn him to ensure that he'll remain at her side regardless of what she has or will do. Which is a large departure from 95% of the NTR games on this site for sure. As most seem instead to be either about the lover abandoning the MC after getting corrupted or the MC trying to stop the corruption before its too late and purifying the lover back into what they were before the corruption.
Now we haven't seen any clear mention of that being the sought after outcome by Lacey, but seeing as her first two plots for the MC involve getting him to fuck other girls to get a bit of the College experience, and her cheating on him with some other guy to get over his 'jealousy' its clear she want him to follow her down the path of corruption, the fact that two out of 3 of the 'paths' you can take in Act 1 are also about the MC becoming more kinky, its again clear that corruption is the desired outcome, in particular when you can see the MC earn more points with her on the 'slut path' which shows what is liably her desired direction.
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Mia I thought was not a virgin, wasn't that apart of her backstory was she was incest raped?
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Why did you respond to my post on Alice in Wonderland on this game's thread? I don't play this game, and there are no GG points in Alice in Wonderland, so I don't know what you are talking about.
It seems to me that you have gotten confused with your Quotes.
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Veronica is clearly set up as cheating prospect for temporary drama (since Lacey would accept her anyway). Both her dialogue (ntr talk like better than her, doesn't need to know) and even older lines when introduced about her being a homewrecker allude to that.
As for the point system, I'm rejecting every bitch (including the biggest of 'em all) when it lets me and I'm pretty sure the good cuck score is 90 (can't check atm). Also at some point it added an insane amount of points to Lacey relationship, without any prompt from the player, practically invalidating the very few chances we had to reject her shit in previous acts. I guess an episode full of humiliation and cuckolding actions really strengthened their marriage...
I saw comments about rejecting Mia 3some. I didn't get any prompt for that, he just auto accepts.
My main save is the exact same way. In what bizzaro universe, the prospect of him detaching himself from this den of snakes and the remora sucking his life force, is not a good ending? Are we playing the same game? Playing it with that goal in mind is perfectly valid.
I'm not even saying this will be provided by the dev and I have serious doubts. But it's still valid and pretty much the only way to play if you apply even the minimum of realistic standards.
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Well it make sense for Lacey's relationship after Vegas to sky rocket, one their is their anniversary, two the girl's day meant she screwed up big time again and the fact the MC doesn't fuck off mean she'll feel bad about what she did and grateful for everything he did like spend 8k on them, three on his day he didn't do anything sexual, which she'd be happy about because she is jealous. So it make total sense for her to earn a ton of relationship points in Vegas.
As for a threesome with Mia it didn't happen, so obviously you can't reject what hasn't happened. At most she sleep at the MC side, but otherwise she hasn't done anything sexual with him. On the other hand the Dev did state their was one major sex scene with a secondary LI that would be forced, so it might be that one.
You don't get it do you? Its been explained a million times, the reality is the MC can't survive alone, he need someone to take Lacey's place, otherwise he'll commit suicide, so the fact you reject everyone other than Lacey mean if their is an ending where he leave, he'll leave alone and kill himself. If you paid any attention to the characterization and narrative you would have understood that, so your MC is on the save fated to die.
He could possibly pull it, after over a decade of serious therapy, but I extremely doubt that is the scale of the game.
Any ending with Lacey will be an ending where those girls will still be around, if not romantically involved likely still stick around, if you got for the 'Broken' path for them they are going to be all miserable and the MC wouldn't be happy to see his girls miserable, your opinion on the matter is of no importance, only the perspective of the MC on the subject. You can hate all those girls all you want, but the MC doesn't hate them, thus would suffer from their misery, so making them miserable isn't going to lead to a satisfying ending for the MC. So at the end of the story under no circumstances whatever delusional notion that their is going to be that great liberation ending where he'll move on from all of his girls unto a better brighter future is just that, delusions.
Also you damn misogynists which keep complaining about all the girls in the story, WTF are you fools even talking about, is Lacey problematic, very much, is Mia problematic, mostly in the past, before this game even began, she hasn't really done anything that bad since Act 1, Anna can be a bit problematic, but she isn't THAT bad, Kelly might have done something problematic in Act 3, but she did it with the intention it would be the best for the MC, Jeanette has done something slightly problematic but that is clearly forced upon by the Dev, forcing her to ignore the MC during the girl's day. Next you have Bethany, what is wrong with her? Nothing. What is wrong with Christine? She got tricked by her uncle, and its not like he wasn't somewhat accurate in his statement to convince her. What about Yue? She is interested in two men, oh the horror, she however had chosen the MC, and he literally told her to date the other guy. What did Veronica do that wrong? She had gotten blackmailed. Abby sure she is a problem. Jamie is completely nice. Again you lot keep blaming every girls in some sort of psychotic misogynistic rantfest.
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Yeah Mia is 99% the forced act 4 LI to my chagrin.
After all she has done, it makes little sense that this is happening, MC in act 3 actually mentions (never shows, but this is a flaw that the prof never managed to correct) that their relationship is colder now.
From that point to accepting a threesome is a big jump, and the reasoning Lacey gives, to me is a bit disgusting:
this is in the context of MC asking her if there was anything that could be only theirs.
L "But as far as what you want from me..."
L "I can't even express how sorry I am."
MC "Don't worry about this."
MC "It was just a silly thought."
MC "Like I said. Who cares."
L "I care and I know you do too, otherwise you wouldn't have brought it up."
L "But maybe there's something I can give you."
MC "I thought there wasn't anything."
L "Well... not on me."
L "But, what if I gave you something pure from someone else?"
L "..."
L "Baby. Mia is waiting for you."
L "She's been waiting for you."
L "She's asked me... probably seven or eight times now."
I'll let you draw your own conclusions, but to me...well it is not great.
I mean MC has the issue that nothing will ever be special with Lacey since act 1 because nothing will ever be theirs.
look at this (this is one of the variants):
L "I did save one little thing for you though."
L "My kiss."
L "None of them got to feel my lips touch theirs."
L "That was my special gift to you."
L "The one thing I wouldn't give them."
Then Lacey kisses Bastion with this excuse:
LP "I did kiss him."
LP "I'd give anything to take that back."
LP "And the kissing was done in a very familiar and intimate way."
LP "Which makes it a far worse sin."
L "My kiss with Damian was... well it was sexual."
L "Which I totally get, how for you that's a really big deal." <- How the fuck it is FOR YOU when you supposedly saved it for 4 fukken years?
L "And it is a really big deal."
This point is not touched anymore, if MC believes Lacey, the thing they had for themselves was given away while they were together, but bim bum bam, forgotten in the plot for some unexplicable reason.
Also, look at this
LP "In hindsight, I should have known I would react differently."
LP "Because you made me view sex differently."
LP "And so instead of being detached."
LP "I was very much present in the moment."
LP "And it felt very good."
So the disassociation from K now is arbitrary depending on her view of sex, not by the fact that she probably did not take enough, but she says she needed to be very high so she could go through with it?
Maybe all this can be retconned with some "other side" taking over explanation, or by her actually harboring resentment (one of the things you mentioned and the prof probably picked up.)
Forced like Anna, Kelly, Veronica (sexting up until act 2), Lacey (in terms of acts, she is obviously the main LI and sometimes the FMC).
The points to Lacey love are added at the dinner.
The text is this:
"You know that Lacey loves you utterly and completely \n (Lacey Love = 200 *Max*)"
"She has loved you with all her heart, but her troubled brain left her with doubts about how much you loved her in return."
"Those doubts have vanished and her connection with you is unbreakable."
Well, the doubts were not only hers, I think many players (like you), have the same doubt
If I had to make a silly comment, why she blames her troubled brain and not her constant mistakes?
I don't justify what Lacey done, but Lacey is a broken child started from when she born, most people not even make it that long as she did, often they end commiting suicide. So yes for her she one of the lucky ones still have to have someone like the mc. But she didn't love him, she just needed his protection. I don't hate the mc, he would be a good guy if he didn't take on all the problems in the world around him.
You just can't solve everyone's problems, that is unhealthy, he should have done what kids do at his age, play games, play outside, get dirty. But instead he took a grown up task upon him for protecting another child, yet never really protected her, because the moment she home her dad could abuse her again. He created his own personality to be always angry and trying to fix all the mess others made around him.
Sometimes you need to be selfish and think on your own health, love is giving and taking, not always giving, and giving more and giving even more till you crumble and don't know who you are anymore. All I can say is they both broken people that shouldn't be together untill both been through therapy and then can make out they fit with eachother.
All I want to say is every action a person does, is their own responsibility, are you going to rob people, then deal with it if you get caught, are you going fuck around and be a whore, then deal with it you get tagged like that. Noone else can clean up your mess, only you have to clean up your own mess. For Lacey, she should have gone to the cops and seek help for being abused, not rely on a stupid kid who took it upon him to try protect her. And he should have gone to seek grown up help too, tell them he knows a girl who being abused, so the right people could help her.
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All I saw is a few paragraphs detailing how MC should remain a broken man to get his "happy ending". He is like that because he is broken. The goal should be for him to stop being broken. Is that something you are "getting"? I can't explain it in simpler terms.
He is co-dependent. We knew it and have discussed it extensively in the past, but this update has dev confirmation. This is a mental disorder and the reason he "can't survive alone". Any kind of "healing" would have to involve him not being co-dependent anymore. AKA "liberated' as you put it. It's not that hard of a concept really.
Feel free to have your preferences but spare me the lecturing about the narrative, you are getting much less than you think you are getting anyway.
The problem that is recurrent here that you have is the lack willingness to put yourself in another's perspective, you say the MC should have been playing and shit, yea its all clear and obvious from the perspective of a fucking adult, but from his perspective at the time you refuse to understand he did the best he could, yea he couldn't magically wish away the abuse Lacey suffered, how quaint, he was a little kid, expecting them to be rational and enlightened with the wisdom of full grown adults is ridiculous. By the time he was himself an adult he was already indoctrinated in this way of living, expecting him to magically turn into a healthy fully formed adult is senseless.
How much therapy do you think it take to do away with every singular issues the MC has? Over a decade, this story isn't going to be that long, so you magically expecting him to in months maybe be fully healed from a lifetime of psychological issues is insanity, he is a broken man, and he is still going to be fucked up by the entire time until this game end, so expecting a happy ending for him to be based on the perspective of him being able to achieve a state of fully mentally healthy individual is stupid, all he'll be able to get by the time this game end is whatever. That is without considering the fact his issues began being formed as a 6 years old, realistically he is very likely to die of old age and still suffer from mental issues, their is no magical solution to do away with his problems.
Empathy is more than just a word, its a capacity to feel what others feel, including fictional characters, I get the impression alot of you lack complete sense of empathy, you project your perspective, your desires on the characters and refuse to acknowledge the perspective and desires of the characters themselves, you judge them all from your perspective, but never from their perspective. The major recurrent issues is so many of you can't understand how the MC think and feel, just how you'd feel in his shoes without his baggage and what you'd want for yourself under such circumstances.
Now you hold me in derision for me saying the MC will kill himself if he end up alone, because you wouldn't do so, because you refuse to understand how he'd feel after ending up alone. Right now he need someone at his side, for many years even with ongoing therapy within that reality he'll need someone at his side, its not up to you to declare he won't, its fact. If you think extremely deep mental issues are resolved in a snap, you haven't studied psychology in College, unlike me. Now its been a long time, and it was more along the line of a few classes on the side, but I clearly understand the problematic of mental issues better than you do if you expect before what could be reasonably believed to be the timeframe of this game for the MC's issues to be solved.
My mother suffered abuse as a child and teen, and she is still fucked up today by it, in her 60s, over 40 years later, the chances the MC will have attained a point of being mentally healthy before he dies are less than certain even with regular therapy over decades. One of the factors is, how willing is he even of moving on from his co-dependency? The answer doesn't look great, he might know he suffer from it, but would be willing to move on from it if it meant it could be hurting some he care about? Doubtful.
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He stopped being a child the day he met her, he became a grown up, start inventing rules so he could be around her without hurting her. Over the years that protection programming he made, became that he gotten real feelings for her and wanted her to be his girlfriend. All the while this girl wasn't even interested in boys, because everything a man stood for was abusive pricks. A child doesn't have the wisdom grown ups have, but he created it that he could save her. The only thing he really could have done to save her was asking others for help, even it was just his parents or teacher, least someone that could find the right help. But in the end every action a person does is their own responsibility, if you let others influence you and you act according what they make ya do, it still your own fault. It easy to blame others, but never yourself.
This vn is a real hard topic, and personaly I love it, because I want to see how it will end. But i'm not going support anyone in it. What Mia did was sick, she should never shown the mc what Lacey did, she only added more fuel on a broken man's fire. What Lacey does is also wrong, but in the end it her own responsibility, as it's Mia own responsibility that they make the mc hate them. There just so many wrongs done, it hard to blame it all on one person. They all have their own doings in it and well it best people stop messing with those broken people and move on, while these broken people go seek therapy to heal and stop becoming more destructive.
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While the thing about being selfish is an absolute truth since you can be even more effective in your goal to help others for example, the rest is an absolute pile of victim blaming garbage (the only thing that is missing is that we should blame Lacey for instigating her father or for not being better at math or for liking chocolate).
You either skipped all of act 1 and 2 explaining several things about MC and Lacey (and how she uncounsciously abused him due to her abuse) or you are simply trolling.
The last paragraph is stomach turning, seek help.
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You cannot hold a child accountable for their actions like that, you say he could have went to his parents, we don't know what sort of parents he had or if he really had parents, its quite possible they weren't great considering we never heard of them that I remember in the entire game, again this is a solution obvious to an adult, but to a child its something else entirely, after learning Lacey is abused by her dad he could have easily assumed every adults are problematic.
Next you mention the MC hating Mia or Lacey, again that is your perspective, not his, he doesn't hate either of them, you can clearly see it in the game, but you keep projecting how you think and how you feel upon the MC so you refuse to accept that he doesn't hate Lacey & Mia, he love them, has he got major frustrations with Lacey and some lesser ones with Mia, sure, but the MC doesn't hate them.
Also not support anyone? What the fuck did most of the girls did so wrong? Again its some misogynistic bullshit. As for how broken people should stop messing with other broken people, its easier said than done, since often due to society being full of assholes, the only people that broken people can get close to are other people, or do you fucking think the likes of the Alcoholic Anonymous exist for no good reason? Yea sure getting therapy to heal is good, but therapy isn't a magical instantaneous solution, as I said before it can be years if not decades to get better, and not everyone got the magical capability of avoiding their problems for decades in some wonderland away from all pain and sorrow.