VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 3] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Lady Lydia]

OK, so I'm not this update yet (man they're big) but I just thought of something that would cause an interesting dynamic in the MC's mental state. I just got to the part where Emilio openly flirted with Lacey in front of him and of course he's getting all up inside his head. The 3 girls - not Lacey should just maul him like I mean all out fucking maul him and make Lacey watch. I know he'd fight it off but it would definitely help his self esteem and I think it would turn on Lacey and piss her off at the same time. Just a thought because these people are just seriously fucked up lol

It would have been good, but two things one the magic drug they used made it so every single one of them pretty much ignored the MC existence unless for narrative convenience, second Abby had the thought of that day for the singular purpose of breaking the MC enough for him to get angry and accept to blame Lacey for his anger, so anything that would have actually turned against that purpose couldn't be allowed by the narrative to happen. In other words, Jeanette should have been all over him all that day, even Lacey should have, but because Deus Ex Machina narrative required them to act like slabs of ice toward him it was all ignored.

Its why whenever I see people basically giving a verbal blowie to the Dev for this game I roll my eyes, because this game is insanely flawed in many ways, sure it has its good, and it has its interests, but so many people just ignore the absurd inconsistencies and bullshit to a absolutely mentally debilitating degree, some people out there are capable of giving themselves a lobotomy at will it seem, because this is the only way I can understand them not noting the issues this game has.

 

[NewGuy2022]

Yeah, he is extremely drastic in his change, but it seems the professor views him as a favorite and wants him to be a positive element in the story (similar to Mia). I too find him growing on me, which makes it a bit frustrating and that is likely because his change is so quick and forced. It is also why I take issues with Lacey and many of the other characters as there isn't enough explanation and process for them to move to the new character states, they just transition to whatever is needed to progress a given scene or story flow they currently are in.

I think this also may cause suspicion in the characters themselves. Him and Mia I was certain were on a path of some type of devious motive, but then... "poof", they are absolved and start acting completely different, no lead up, no foreshadow, etc... We are just to accept it and move on and so the development of "growth" seems lacking and the element of suspicion is lost in the process.

Lacey has the same issue now with me (and some of the other girls). She was showing a nice progression and then... "poof", now I am not sure if this is just writing issues, or... is she now becoming a bad person of devious intent (the unanswered issues of he behavior in Act 3 which show extreme lack of concern for the MC).

It is quite confusing.

Exactly. Between this dynamic and the opening remark about narration perhaps not being truth... ...I'm struggling with trying to understand what's really happening in the story. Not being a conspiracy theorist at all; I just am unsure which things I saw and read were "true" inside the story, which "changed" to support the plot, and which deliberately were misremembered by characters/narrator due to 'brain damage' or trauma...

Christine's change makes sense to me after she learned she was being "used" to smear the MC but the others (esp. Isaac and Mia)? Seems kinda fake or "off." I mean, what next: will Barty suddenly be a good guy???

I truly despise Isaac's character for the things he did (or at least we were shown that he did ???) but by the end of Act 3, he seems to be the only decent guy in the story besides Jamie, I suppose (???) It's hard to understand how an adult could change that much that quickly. FWIW, I'm pretty confused, too. I'm replaying the story to try to see things I missed or ignored on my first run through.

 

[funnythings3785]

Personally my take is that anything sexual the MC can do is something he is entitled to do. Lacey hard cheated on him, betrayed him, and what justice did he get? None, retribution? None, compensation? None. The free pass was something already bestowed upon the MC by Lacey before she hard cheated on him, only sometime later she decided what he needed in addition to a pass to fuck anyone for a week, was for her to cheat on him to prove sex with others doesn't matter.

So those handjobs and blowjobs you can get from the other girls? He earned the right for those, Lacey never gave him back anything for her hard cheating on him, sure she might have pushed him to date around some other girls, but do dating equate to cheating, betrayal & humiliation? Not remotely.

I'd argue its one of the things that has fucked the MC, the fact that after everything Lacey keep doing he never get anything back, oh he get to fuck is wife, how magnanimous, he get some kinky sex, that is wife seem more enthusiastic about then him, he got nothing for his own benefit out of it, pretty much, just her own benefit.

Look at Vegas, he spent 8k on the girl's day and what did he get? Oh he got to visit the same spa for a massage, he got to visit the gay bar again to talk to the guy he had the day before, he visited a Dominatrix, he does nothing at the spa or Dominatrix because first I consider the Dev on this to have been lazy, after wasting 8k the previous day and being treated like trash him getting to actually fucking those women would have been the minimum he is entitled to.

But that is the problem really, from the start of the game he has been told he isn't entitled to his pain, to his anger, to his grief, Lacey is always justified, some of the girls around him have in many cases taken to justify her too, so now he think he is a bad man, because he has been told he isn't entitled to his feelings, not entitled to any rewards, any compensations, any justice or retribution. He is expected to live and let live, so its breaking his mind.

Reality is it would have been far healthier for his mental health for him to have sex with various women / girls, the meagre sexual activities that he does under our control enable him to release a minute amount of mental steam. If he had been allowed to experience relief, to experience giving Lacey some of those feelings she has forced him to endure over and over, it would have done him a whole lot of good, instead he is expected to be a cuck, to do nothing sexual with anyone but Lacey and marginally Anna, all the while Lacey keep having anything from intimate actions to sexual activities with other men.

And after it happen they keep telling him its fine because she was drugged, not in her right mind, because she was trying to teach him something, she refused to take the blame and several others have taken to support her in this pattern, so where do the blame go? To the MC, he isn't allowed to blame his wife, not really, and those guys aren't around for him to blame, so the blame ends up with him, and its destroying him.

I disagree on if it would be helpful to him. Consider the type of personality he has, the view on sex, relationships, etc... and also consider his view on cheating, sharing, etc...

He doesn't have a positive view on it. In fact, it is often the center of his issues. Notice how anytime he "does something", he agonizes over it, beats himself up, worries about how it would make Lacey feel, that he betrayed her, etc... He doesn't like it, even if it is completely approved by Lacey. His trepidation before and remorse after is consistent in this.

I would speculate based on his dialogue, his reactions and the like concerning it that is because he views it as wrong and unhealthy because he views it from a position of a person who not only doesn't want to share Lacey, but has experienced the hurt that comes from having to deal with such an action by Lacey.

He enjoys it in the moment, he enjoys the connection it brings to the girls he interacts and cares about, but as I said... he sees and feels the harm of it. Look how much he is concerned for Lacey after a date where he simply "kisses" Anna, he still obsesses over it hurting her, how it makes her feel, etc... why? Because he feels the very same way when she does it to him.

While you may have an argument in terms of "justification" of him doing such things at times, the reality is... it really isn't good for him, he doesn't want it because it harms him, and ultimately Lacey which has already stated in past dialogue that it does...

I guess I don't see how "harming" the person you love regardless if they may "deserve" it is a healthy thing for the relationship (which is why I think Lacey's plan isn't a good idea and really just "porn logic" as it concerns the issues).

This is one of the things I think conflicts with his character. He is written in the way I described, but then all the "sex maniac" stuff is kind of shoe horned into the character and it feels out of place when you consider his base character position. I think to make those things "help" him is going to end up feeling the same way, you just "accept" it because... <porn logic>.

 

[Lady Lydia]

I disagree on if it would be helpful to him. Consider the type of personality he has, the view on sex, relationships, etc... and also consider his view on cheating, sharing, etc...

He doesn't have a positive view on it. In fact, it is often the center of his issues. Notice how anytime he "does something", he agonizes over it, beats himself up, worries about how it would make Lacey feel, that he betrayed her, etc... He doesn't like it, even if it is completely approved by Lacey. His trepidation before and remorse after is consistent in this.

I would speculate based on his dialogue, his reactions and the like concerning it that is because he views it as wrong and unhealthy because he views it from a position of a person who not only doesn't want to share Lacey, but has experienced the hurt that comes from having to deal with such an action by Lacey.

He enjoys it in the moment, he enjoys the connection it brings to the girls he interacts and cares about, but as I said... he sees and feels the harm of it. Look how much he is concerned for Lacey after a date where he simply "kisses" Anna, he still obsesses over it hurting her, how it makes her feel, etc... why? Because he feels the very same way when she does it to him.

While you may have an argument in terms of "justification" of him doing such things at times, the reality is... it really isn't good for him, he doesn't want it because it harms him, and ultimately Lacey which has already stated in past dialogue that it does...

I guess I don't see how "harming" the person you love regardless if they may "deserve" it is a healthy thing for the relationship (which is why I think Lacey's plan isn't a good idea and really just "porn logic" as it concerns the issues).

This is one of the things I think conflicts with his character. He is written in the way I described, but then all the "sex maniac" stuff is kind of shoe horned into the character and it feels out of place when you consider his base character position. I think to make those things "help" him is going to end up feeling the same way, you just "accept" it because... <porn logic>.

Its not porn logic that dictate it would help him, its biology & biochemistry, its how men are built, sex is a relief valve for their psyche, from a psychological perspective he might bitch about it, it might not match his personality, but from a physical point of view the relief would have been very good to help sooth him, Hell its also applicable to a lesser degree to women, although women have also complex emotional needs on top of the physical needs, which is what make relationships with other women so important for women.

If you don't agree with me on that point, well its not a matter of opinion, its fact, look it up, its how humans work, so you can say it doesn't match his personality, it doesn't matter because those elements bypass the mental into the realm of biology and biochemistry, which dictate the absolute reality of life, unlike the mental which is merely a matter of personal perspective.

Look you obviously value more religion based societal concerns over biological concerns that existed for millions of years, but relatively modern (anything less than the stone age) are irrelevant to the reality of humanity, nature made us this way, you can deny it all you want, but it doesn't change anything.

Its literally known that humans when put under sustained duress seek out sex, why do you think rape is actually the most common war crime that is hardly talked about in the aftermath of every wars. Sex is the primordial mean thru which humans can relieve themselves from a ton of mental pressure, so no matter what personality or psychological predilection dictate it works.

 

[funnythings3785]

Exactly. Between this dynamic and the opening remark about narration perhaps not being truth... ...I'm struggling with trying to understand what's really happening in the story. Not being a conspiracy theorist at all; I just am unsure which things I saw and read were "true" inside the story, which "changed" to support the plot, and which deliberately were misremembered by characters/narrator due to 'brain damage' or trauma...

Christine's change makes sense to me after she learned she was being "used" to smear the MC but the others (esp. Isaac and Mia)? Seems kinda fake or "off." I mean, what next: will Barty suddenly be a good guy???

I truly despise Isaac's character for the things he did (or at least we were shown that he did ???) but by the end of Act 3, he seems to be the only decent guy in the story besides Jamie, I suppose (???) It's hard to understand how an adult could change that much that quickly. FWIW, I'm pretty confused, too. I'm replaying the story to try to see things I missed or ignored on my first run through.

Yeah, things are confusing and the character transitions are way fast, there isn't enough build up. The change in Lacey being more... inconsiderate about the whole issues of Vegas is a confusing one as well. Should have been more talks, more confessions, realizations, and remorse on many things... but none (same with all the girls to be honest).

One thing keeps gnawing at me though... I viewed the bedroom scene again with the exes... and well... beginning dialogue seems odd and heavily suggests... something else was going on. I am thinking the professor was writing in a way to increase drama, but it made little sense all things considered.

Each one is called up, she does something... but the comments within them are... well... odd. For instance, telling Lorenzo something along the lines of "look, you finished just as quickly as you always do" and Issac with "I am much bigger, it is going to take longer for me isn't it?" Also, she breathes heavy, and says things like "fuck yeah" as if she reached a climax or something at the end of Isaacs part.

The dialogue is... odd... but like I said, probably "in the moment" attempt to produce some drama before it is revealed she is going off on them and hates them for their part in everything.

Still gnaws at me though... Maybe she was painting their dicks?

Regardless, that scene while at times I see the merit in her confrontation, just has so many problems of inconsideration in "how" it happened. I think there would have been a much better way for that to have occurred, even as Mia said, bringing it up to the MC and asking him about doing it, or heck... having it all done in a session with her therapist. That would have at least given some respect to the MC rather than yet again, him having to carry the burden of the suspicion and worry that would have occurred (if the MC wasn't so easily written a way out of it).

 

[DeviantFun]

Yeah, I imagine a few of my extreme negative posts likely didn't sit well with some as well.

I never saw your posts as overtly negative.

You gave a strong opinion as a fan, that is it.

You paid attention and read the novel instead of skipping it like many, and just pointed out where you think it went wrong.

It is a stark difference between the gender wars trolling, the death threats to either L or MC.

Criticism is alright in my book, I received plenty when I used to write and it helped me (when given with good intentions).

 

[Cenc]

Still gnaws at me though... Maybe she was painting their dicks?

She was. Literally that's what she was doing, that's why Isaacs took longer and Micro-dick was short. Yes its written to get into your head that 'something bad' might be happening, but she takes those pictures out and burns them, its pure catharsis, she's regaining control - at least from those 3.

 

[funnythings3785]

Its not porn logic that dictate it would help him, its biology & biochemistry, its how men are built, sex is a relief valve for their psyche, from a psychological perspective he might bitch about it, it might not match his personality, but from a physical point of view the relief would have been very good to help sooth him, Hell its also applicable to a lesser degree to women, although women have also complex emotional needs on top of the physical needs, which is what make relationships with other women so important for women.

If you don't agree with me on that point, well its not a matter of opinion, its fact, look it up, its how humans work, so you can say it doesn't match his personality, it doesn't matter because those elements bypass the mental into the realm of biology and biochemistry, which dictate the absolute reality of life, unlike the mental which is merely a matter of personal perspective.

Look you obviously value more religion based societal concerns over biological concerns that existed for millions of years, but relatively modern (anything less than the stone age) are irrelevant to the reality of humanity, nature made us this way, you can deny it all you want, but it doesn't change anything.

Honestly, I really don't even know how to respond to this.

You actually believe this?

edit:

Anyway, regardless of your claim, the story is very clear about the action/reaction of these behaviors with the MC. It isn't helping him at all and it is continuing to harm him.

I would say each occurrence is actually building his continued fear of losing Lacey as each time he does them, he frets over it harming her, which then amplifies his own reactions when he sees her doing it.

Add in the fact that his own actions are actually causing Lacey to harm him herself through her own jealousy.

I see the whole thing as throwing gasoline on a fire to try and put it out.

 

[funnythings3785]

I never saw your posts as overtly negative.

You gave a strong opinion as a fan, that is it.

You paid attention and read the novel instead of skipping it like many, and just pointed out where you think it went wrong.

It is a stark difference between the gender wars trolling, the death threats to either L or MC.

Criticism is alright in my book, I received plenty when I used to write and it helped me (when given with good intentions).

Well, to be fair... I did throw something about a "wood chipper" in there at one point though.

 

[KseiPo]

Augusta has a completely different vibe to L&J, first its a heavily supernatural narrative, second the MC of Augusta is troubled but by no mean broken, the women around him are troubled, but by no mean broken either, their are no FMC, the MC begin single and inform that he hasn't been in relationships for ages, if you go into Augusta expecting something like this, you'll be for either a rough or pleasant wake up depending on your tastes.

Augusta is far better paced than this, some drama but properly spaced between bouts of good feelings, unlike this game which just hammer you with the drama and hardly ever give us time to have good feelings. Their is also an air of mystery that is far more interesting than with this story because while here much of the mystery is basically how can a house of cards hold standing amidst an hurricane, the mystery in Augusta is in the supernatural that is the driving force of the narrative.

I was not talking about Augusta's. I was talking about "Broken heart symphony" - the musical project Professor published on YouTube some time ago. Those songs are telling the story very similar to L&J (see my initial post about it).

 

[DeviantFun]

That's a good point.

It's true Anna sleeping with the MC was with Lacey's consent, though I'd argue it was only to sooth her guilty conscience rather than her actually wanting him to do it - we will probably disagree on that point.

However the MC (if taking the naughty boy route) gets handjobs / blowjobs outside of the free pass. It's not sex - (and not penetrative.. well... you know what I mean) but it IS cheating. I have not finished my naughty boy play through yet, but my guys been sucked off twice and has yet to tell Lacey about it. (he may do later, if so don't spoil). True that it's the player making those decisions, the only ones forced on us (so far) is Anna and Kelly - and though I'd argue Lacey's consent is questionable, it's still given.

Where does MC does hj and bjs outside of the free pass?

There is one dubious instance with Anna, because we see only the beginning of Lacey's phrase, but Anna confirms Lacey granted it.

And then MC cums on Veronica, never touching her (this could lose gg because Veronica is cleared only as sexting as far as we know, but her dialogue shows she knows a lot more, so we do not know if she had the talk or not, even if she is in the KW).
I would even argue that is on the same level or less than the bdsm club, so by the new standards in universe, not cheating anyway.

Beth is the only clear cheating, ( and the only place where MC should lose gg points) as MC promises that nothing is gonna happen.

Everything else happens either with sanction or within the free pass, heck you could even avoid one of the forced events in the original script.

 

[AL.d]

I disagree on if it would be helpful to him. Consider the type of personality he has, the view on sex, relationships, etc... and also consider his view on cheating, sharing, etc...

He doesn't have a positive view on it. In fact, it is often the center of his issues. Notice how anytime he "does something", he agonizes over it, beats himself up, worries about how it would make Lacey feel, that he betrayed her, etc... He doesn't like it, even if it is completely approved by Lacey. His trepidation before and remorse after is consistent in this.

I would speculate based on his dialogue, his reactions and the like concerning it that is because he views it as wrong and unhealthy because he views it from a position of a person who not only doesn't want to share Lacey, but has experienced the hurt that comes from having to deal with such an action by Lacey.

He enjoys it in the moment, he enjoys the connection it brings to the girls he interacts and cares about, but as I said... he sees and feels the harm of it. Look how much he is concerned for Lacey after a date where he simply "kisses" Anna, he still obsesses over it hurting her, how it makes her feel, etc... why? Because he feels the very same way when she does it to him.

While you may have an argument in terms of "justification" of him doing such things at times, the reality is... it really isn't good for him, he doesn't want it because it harms him, and ultimately Lacey which has already stated in past dialogue that it does...

I guess I don't see how "harming" the person you love regardless if they may "deserve" it is a healthy thing for the relationship (which is why I think Lacey's plan isn't a good idea and really just "porn logic" as it concerns the issues).

This is one of the things I think conflicts with his character. He is written in the way I described, but then all the "sex maniac" stuff is kind of shoe horned into the character and it feels out of place when you consider his base character position. I think to make those things "help" him is going to end up feeling the same way, you just "accept" it because... <porn logic>.

Well put.

I get the argument of him stepping out as justified retribution. But for this specific dude as portrayed, it's grueling to his psyche. We see him opening up to the other women more and more since the start, with Lacey pushing and prodding according to her plan. And yet instead of that supposedly lifting him up, his ego is lower than ever. He barely reacts to shit anymore. Because in the big picture, the other women are irrelevant for him. There is nothing they can do to lift him up, because his self-image is directly connected to his relationship with Lacey. The point system also alludes to that as being detrimental.

I have a theory that if the plan really progresses and she manages to turn him into a manslut juggling pussy without care, (pretty much the type of asshole she gravitates towards every time she is stepping out), it will backfire badly. The dude just doesn't have it in him and that's something fundamental in one's relationship values. You have to break them completely to instill it.

 

[Lady Lydia]

Honestly, I really don't even know how to respond to this.

You actually believe this?

What part of 'its fact' did you miss? Now I didn't say something like cheating was a necessity or anything like that, but that sex is primordial in the manage of mental pressures, it help letting the steam out, its how its always been.

Now I am sure you'll say 'but he could have had it with his wife', when she isn't available for XYZ reasons? She induced a unending stream of mental pressure on him, in every Acts, every days of his life since the reveal of what his wife had done in College, the stress, the anxiety, it would be massive, and how do do we see her fuck him compared to how much she fuck him up? Its vastly uneven.

Act 3 she had sex with him before the girl's day, and I think that was it, after they came back and she went on to do her art, she outright isolated herself and prevent him from interacting with her. She took care of her own emotional and psychological needs, ignored those of her husbands whom 99% of all his issues stem directly from her.

Also for the whole claim that it goes against his personality, what personality? Act 1 or Act 3, Lacey has actively caused the corruption of the MC thru her actions and words, she has been changing his personality whatever he likes it or not, if you think he should still think the same you missed everything that happened to him, you don't go thru all of that and remain unchanged.

Look it probably help that I am not a proponent of monogamy, I believe that polyamory is the correct way of life, its mentally healthier and provide better support than monogamy, while you are clearly only believe in pure monogamy.

 

[WannabeShady90]

Scene/Video 1: First date

Context: Red Captain has been seeking treatment for a while now after he graduated college. Anna has been encouraging him along the way. Red Captain asks Anna out on a date. The events of the HallPass take place.

Scene/Video 2: Anna's birthday

Context: Captain Red Captain and Anna celebrate Anna's birthday together. The events are the same as in the current timeline.

Scene/Video 3: Promotion

Context: After working for a while at his new company, Red Captain receives a promotion. He has been dating Anna for a while now and their relationship starts to become more serious.

The video shows a whirlpool with 2 women sitting in it. A bottle of Champagne on Ice stands besides the whirlpool. We hear that someone enters the house.

Red Captain: Darling, are you home?
Anna: Kelly & I are sitting in our whirlpool together. Please put your swimwear on and join as.

Red Captain steps outside and joins Anna and Kelly inside the whirlpool.

Anna: Darling, we are so proud of you. Congratulations on your promotion.
Red Captain: Thank you so much, darling. Without you, I wouldn't be where I am now.
Anna: Oh, that's so sweet of you to say. We've prepared a very special gift for you...for this very special occasion.
Red Captain: I wonder what that might be...
Kelly blushes. Anna pulls Kelly closer towards herself and gives her a light, sensual kiss.
Anna: Have you ever had a 3some in your life before, darling?
Red Captain (nervous): Darling, you know that you are the only woman I've ever been with.
Kelly (nervous): I haven't had one before eather.
Anna: Would you...like to try?
Kelly blushes even more
Red Captain: Are you sure...? Is this really the right thing to do?
Anna grabs the bottle of Champagne and takes a big sip. She leans over Kelly's mouth. Their boobs almost touch. Anna starts feeding champagne to Kelly
Anna: Darling, let's put your oral fixation to work.
Anna puts the bottle of Champagne above her left boob
Anna: Drink up, Darling.
Anna slowly pours Champagne on her boob. Red Captain eagerly drinks every last drop, making Anna's nipples hard as rock in the process. Anna locks eyes with Red Captain as she takes a seat at the edge of the whirlpool and gently pushes Kelly towards her lower private parts. Anna let's more Champagne slowly drip down her entire body. Captain Red never once breaks eye contact with his girlfriend.
Anna: Pound her. She's ready.
Captain Red: W-What?
Anna: POUND HER!
Captain Red slowly approaches Kelly from behind
Captain Red: Are you both sure?
Kelly: Y-Yes, do it.
Anna: I already told you.
So Captain Red slowly enters Kelly from behind and starts pounding her harder and harder while her face is burried between Anna's theighs. After a short while, Kelly heavily osgasms and while her knees are still a bit weak, she floats through the whirlpool peacefully. Red Captain appoaches Anna and they share a passionate kiss, until Red Captain lifts her up and presses her against the whirlpool wall. Red Captain pounces Anna so hard that the whirlpool starts shaking. They both come together.

4 months before 1. Anniversery

Because Anna knows how jealous her friend Lacey is, she sends her the three videos, but forces her to not speak about them with Red Captain.

1 weeks before 1. Anniversary

Text exchange between Red Captain and Lacey.

Red: Lacey, I want you to feel better about yourself. I might have an idea how to get rid of your jealousy. You know my 1. anniversary is coming up in a week. I've planned a nice vacation together with Anna. Here, I've sent you a link to a livestream.
Lacey: I'm not sure how exactly that would help me...?
Red: Trust me, that will help you overcome your abandonment issues.

Scene/Video 4: Livestream

Context: We see a room decarated with red roses and white candles.
Red Captain and Anna enter the room while kissing. They both wear their best clothes. because they just went to a fancy restaurant together. Anna turns her head towards the bed in the middle of the room.
Anna: Wow, you've really given it your all for our first anniversary.
Red Captain: I'll give you the world, my true love. We've shared so many firsts together and I'm sure we have many more to explore together.
Red Captain drops to one knee and makes a small box appear from behind his back. Tears start rolling down Anna's eyes.
Anna: Is this...will you...
Red Captain: Anna, love of my life, will you marrr...
Anna: YES!!! I'll be yours forever.
Anna stumbles forward into Red's arms and they share a long, passionate kiss (imagine like in the park in EP.3)
After that, Anna let's her expensive and incrdibly sexy dress glide down her naked body and stumbles backwards toward the bed. She pulls Red with her. He enters her slowly. No need to rush. They have all the time in the world now.
Red Captain: I couldn't have wished for a better wife. You're the best thing that ever happened to me.
Tears start rolling down Anna's face. Red carefully wishes them aside with one hand while holding the beautiful face of his soon to be wife with the other hand. He tastes a little bit of these salty tears and gives his soon to be wife a passionate kiss.
Red: See? We've shared another first together...
Anna can't hold back anymore. Her whole body is shaking. Red can't hold back anymore eather and after he gave her a creampie, he collapses onto his soon to be wife. While cum is running down her theighs, their intertwined bodies can't break yet another passionate kiss.
Red: You're forever mine...
Anna:...and you're forever mine


Red: See, Lacey, that's what real love feels like.

Screen fades to black.

 

[Lady Lydia]

Where does MC does hj and bjs outside of the free pass?

There is one dubious instance with Anna, because we see only the beginning of Lacey's phrase, but Anna confirms Lacey granted it.

And then MC cums on Veronica, never tou hing her (this coild lose gg because Veronica is cleared only as sexting as far as we know, but her dialogue shows she knows a lot more, so we do not know if she had the talk or not, even if she is in the KW).
I would even argue that is on the same level or less than the bdsm club)

Beth is the only clear cheating, as MC promises that nothing is gonna happen.

Everything else happens either with sanction or within the free pass, heck you could even avoid one of the forced events in the original script.

Well the MC has in a few occasions of doing something with Christine at the office, outside of that Jamie can give the MC a blowjob. But I think the MC was given the okay to do something with Jamie, as for Christine I don't know if she knows exactly but I think she knows the MC has done something with Christine during his free week and has vaguely allowed it to keep going, I think she operate based on 'won't ask, don't tell' approach when it comes to that.

 

[WannabeShady90]

That's what I would do if I actually wanted to fuck Lacey up as the protagonist.

 

[funnythings3785]

What part of 'its fact' did you miss? Now I didn't say something like cheating was a necessity or anything like that, but that sex is primordial in the manage of mental pressures, it help letting the steam out, its how its always been.

Now I am sure you'll say 'but he could have had it with his wife', when she isn't available for XYZ reasons? She induced a unending stream of mental pressure on him, in every Acts, every days of his life since the reveal of what his wife had done in College, the stress, the anxiety, it would be massive, and how do do we see her fuck him compared to how much she fuck him up? Its vastly uneven.

Act 3 she had sex with him before the girl's day, and I think that was it, after they came back and she went on to do her art, she outright isolated herself and prevent him from interacting with her. She took care of her own emotional and psychological needs, ignored those of her husbands whom 99% of all his issues stem directly from her.

Look it probably help that I am not a proponent of monogamy, I believe that polyamory is the correct way of life, its mentally healthier and provide better support than monogamy, while you are clearly only believe in pure monogamy.

You are arguing one "fact", but using it incorrectly in this situation. A simple chemical response to a physical activity does solve the issues that come before and after that "drugging" and make no mistake, it is a "drug" effect you are talking about, and I think some here who know better than I could probably explain the addiction aspects of that as well (ie sex addiction).

What you are not paying attention to is the consequences of this on everything. As I said, he does not want to do this, he thinks it is wrong, he thinks it is harmful to Lacey and he thinks this because he feels the same way about her doing these things.

I gave you a good example with Anna. He was approved by Lacey to go out on a date and be kissed by Anna. So what was his mind state? The moment he is kissed he feels shocked... like he did something wrong. He already thinks the date is going to weight on Lacey, they already had this discussion before he went.

Right after the date, what does he do? He is immediately concerned for how Lacey feels about the date and kiss, and he is worried she is going to take it badly... even discusses to himself how he should prepare to comfort her. So, for the moment of bliss, he is already worried about the offense... all "healing" that you suggest from the "drug" effect is lost, but it doesn't stop there. Lacey IS upset... she is jealous and scared (even though she planned and approved it), yet what does she do? She PUNISHES him for it, proceeds to make him jealous.

Now tell me, how is this "healing" at all? Where are all of these "sexual" actions and behaviors helping him when it produces these consequences? Heck, we know it isn't helping Lacey in her relationship with him, she admits it hurts her and even lashes out at him making it worse when he does... but... well... it was worth a moment of bliss right?

This is my objection to you, not the basic chemical reaction of dopamine and serotonin on the brain, but the actual cost of them after that moment of "soothing" is over with. There is a cost, and in the MCs case, it is at a loss of value.

 

[monkeyqueen]

Yep, I think the only action that is story driven to which the player has no choice to avoid is the Anna sex in the earlier chapters. Everything else, you can choose not to interact.

Not true of Kelly. I'm path 3, zero relationships points with everyone else and the MC slept with Kelly

 

[Lady Lydia]

You are arguing one "fact", but using it incorrectly in this situation. A simple chemical response to a physical activity does solve the issues that come before and after that "drugging" and make no mistake, it is a "drug" effect you are talking about, and I think some here who know better than I could probably explain the addiction aspects of that as well (ie sex addiction).

What you are not paying attention to is the consequences of this on everything. As I said, he does not want to do this, he thinks it is wrong, he thinks it is harmful to Lacey and he thinks this because he feels the same way about her doing these things.

I gave you a good example with Anna. He was approved by Lacey to go out on a date and be kissed by Anna. So what was his mind state? The moment he is kissed he feels shocked... like he did something wrong. He already thinks the date is going to weight on Lacey, they already had this discussion before he went.

Right after the date, what does he do? He is immediately concerned for how Lacey feels about the date and kiss, and he is worried she is going to take it badly... even discusses to himself how he should prepare to comfort her. So, for the moment of bliss, he is already worried about the offense... all "healing" that you suggest from the "drug" effect is lost, but it doesn't stop there. Lacey IS upset... she is jealous and scared (even though she planned and approved it), yet what does she do? She PUNISHES him for it, proceeds to make him jealous.

Now tell me, how is this "healing" at all? Where are all of these "sexual" actions and behaviors helping him when it produces these consequences? Heck, we know it isn't helping Lacey in her relationship with him, she admits it hurts her and even lashes out at him making it worse when he does... but... well... it was worth a moment of bliss right?

This is my objection to you, not the basic chemical reaction of dopamine and serotonin on the brain, but the actual cost of them after that moment of "soothing" is over with. There is a cost, and in the MCs cast, it is a losing bet.

You ask how it would help their relationship? Simple, if she felt what she makes the MC endure perpetually she'd hold back from doing it again, its how pains work, you learn what gives you pain and you avoid it, why has she systematically thru the entire game done her stupid bullshit? Because she has never felt the consequences of her actions, sure intellectually she knows she is making the MC feel miserable, but she hasn't suffered it herself, by making her suffer the same misery, she might actually start empathizing with the MC and actually be starting to moderate her actions that would cause pain to the MC, so long as she doesn't suffer as he does, she never learn how far is too far. Its again how it works in reality, pain is a great teaching aid, not that I suggest beating people up, but sometimes putting your hand on a burning surface is the only way to learn why you shouldn't do those things.

You know what would have really helped their relationship, having been forced to sit in the room while the MC fuck Kelly, tell Kelly how good she make him feel, and so on so forth, that would have done the trick, if that had happened Act 1 after she cheated on him, that might have actually solved much of their relationship issues. But Lacey doesn't want to feel pain, she gave him a free week, but it was something indirect, something she has but vague awareness of, she doesn't want him to tell her about what he does with others, but that is precisely what needed to happen, the MC needed to do everything she did to others, right in her face, sooner or later she'd get it, her pain would have taught her the lessons she needed to learn to not destroy their relationship.

 

[funnythings3785]

You ask how it would help their relationship? Simple, if she felt what she makes the MC endure perpetually she'd hold back from doing it again, its how pains work, you learn what gives you pain and you avoid it, why has she systematically thru the entire game done her stupid bullshit? Because she has never felt the consequences of her actions sure, she knows she is making the MC feel miserable, but she hasn't suffered it herself, by making her suffer the same misery, she might actually start empathizing with the MC and actually be starting to moderate her actions that would cause pain to the MC, so long as she doesn't suffer as he does, she never learn how far is too far.

Oh, I get that... I wasn't arguing the concept of having someone feel the pain they cause.

I think I have even suggested something similar in past discussions, but DeviantFun brought up the point I think that "tit for tat" can also have negative consequences. I mean, what did Lacey do as a response to the Anna date? Did she recognize how she has made the MC feel in the past? Or... did she retaliate?

Part of me think your idea may work, but then... heck... the way Lacey acts, she could get upset, reason some crazy emotional idea and end up gang banging half the town in hopes the MC will get angry and jump into fight them all off to reclaim her.

It all depends on how the professor would approach it, but I can see it could go either way, and honestly... I see "giving her what she deserves" to be more of a vengeful act by someone looking to walk away than someone who wants to heal a relationship. Besides, this doesn't fit at all into the MCs character and it would likely break him to push him to such (as was already mentioned in another discussion).