VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 3] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[monkeyqueen]

MC "Knowing who we are, do you think it would have taken that long for us to figure out that painful sex resets your brain?"
L "No. We probably would have figured it out in a few weeks."

L "When I went to college I became addicted to ketamine and had a serious drinking problem."
L "I became an awful person who did awful things."
L "I took so much that it caused some brain damage."
L "That resulted in me nearly destroying my marriage."

I think they are lying to themselves. The man who stole her pencils from her would not have shoved his forearm up her anus.

Obviously the Ketamine, the brain damage was a bad decision. But the masochism was not, But high school Lacey and Gristle never had a chance because he would kept to the rules - only touch her head. She needed someone who cared nothing for her to bring her the pain she needed.

Edit for DeviantFun

L "So my key coping mechanism was denial."
L "I wasn't lying to you, I was lying to myself."

and one of the most important lines in the entire AVN

L "I am also afraid of conflict and my brain will believe whatever it needs to, to avoid it."
L "This makes me an easy target for being manipulated."

Always, always, always Lacey will deal with an angry Gristle by agreeing with him.

Yes, we could have figured it out.
Yes you are right.
Yes you are right.
Yes you are right.

 

[WannabeShady90]

L "I've told you I don't want you to be like me."
L "I... (sigh)"
L "...happen to like that you're intensely jealous."

Yeah, she's damaged. Yeah, she's toxic. Yeah, she's broken. Nobody denies that. Why the fuck would I be willing to engage with that though?

 

[NewGuy2022]

Okey, now I understand your reasoning. I think there are a few little flaws though. Anna loved Captain SaveAHoe even before she met Lacey. Anna's love is not dependent on Lacey. I will admit that Anna probably plays by Lacey's rules just because there is no other way for her to be with him. But - and that is big but - I'm almost certrain that Anna would go against Lacey if the player asked her to. She has confronted Lacey on her own a couple of times already. There is also (at least) one person outside of Lacey's control who's even antagonistic towards Lacey and that is Kelly. I think it's no coincidence that Captain SaveAHoe always ends up at her place whenever Lacey fucks up again. I actually think Kelly would be a decent choice as well. She's morally aligned with him and they share at least a similar background. He also seems comfortable sharing his feelings with her. She's also hot, but that's a given in this kind of game. There's also Bethany, who probably hasn't even really appeared on Lacey's radar yet. So I think there are a few decent choices left uncorrucpted.

I agree that Anna loved the MC before she knew about Lacey. But now she's one of Lacey's "escorts" that Lacey throws at MC when she wants to corrupt him. Anna is just another of Lacey's tools now and, for that reason, I choose for the MC to reject her when I'm allowed to choose. I did not like the forced sex scene with her; I would've preferred player choice there.

I like Kelly from the early game but I don't trust her scheming now. And I rejected Bethany just because everyone in this story is bad for the MC so she must be, too; the author just hasn't shown us why yet (yes, I realize that's an irrational belief for me to have). Plus, once Lacey learns about Beth, she'll become yet another tool in Lacey's toolbox because (porn logic.)

Finally, the last reason I won't choose for the MC to cheat on Lacey is because I detest cheating and cheaters. Get a divorce first and then you can shag a whole city block but not while you're married. I recognize that belief puts me at odds with many if not most posters here and I'm just fine with that. It's just me.

The MC is better off alone even though his codependency would cause him to suffer badly for the withdrawal; I just feel his suffering at the hands of the NPCs is worse. He needs to escape from them and then immerse himself in professional counseling.

 

[WannabeShady90]

L "I've told you I don't want you to be like me."
L "I... (sigh)"
L "...happen to like that you're intensely jealous."

Also let's not forget that she changed her reasoning. First she told us she's doing it to show how little it means to her. (Enough to constantly bring it up though despite seemingly being so happy with only us and force us into it despite knowing how uncomfortable we feel with it). Lacey flip flops so often that I basically don't believe anything she says anymore...oh yeah...first thing she brings up after leaving the library room is a 3some. lol

 

[DeviantFun]

Also let's not forget that she changed her reasoning. First she told us she's doing it to show how little it means to her. (Enough to constantly bring it up though despite seemingly being so happy with only us and force us into it despite knowing how uncomfortable we feel with it). Lacey flip flops so often that I basically don't believe anything she says anymore...oh yeah...first thing she brings up after leaving the library room is a 3some. lol

This is incorrect there was always a double angle:

L "Go explore the world without me."
L "Embrace whatever it has to offer you."
L "Break a few hearts."
L "All I ask is that you'll still be mine when it's all over."
L "Promise me."
-----
L "I am not trying to turn you into me."
L "I want you to date other women, so you can feel more confident."
L "So, you can experience the things you missed out on."
L "And so you can hurt me."
L "So you can make me feel jealous."
L "Because I think you need that."
L "I think you need to put me in my place so that you can work through all this."
L "It's not going to be fun for me." <- not a masochist btw
L "I am extremely jealous of you and the women around you."
L "I've made that abundantly clear."
L "But I love you enough that I want you to have this."
-----
A "You said you wanted him to experience beautiful new things."
A "You said... he would be able to... love me."

This is all from act 1 AND act 2.

I cannot say anything about the 3p in act 3, as I also found it...well...the nicest thing I have got to say would be "peculiar behaviour".
My gut feeling is that the author wanted a 3p, did not have time to develop a mini storyline for it and just chucked it in.

But if we go by the material I have no way to justify that or reconcile it to the rest of the dialogues up until that point, UNLESS we could say that Lacey was very tired to hear Lorenzo rant and didn't think MC would mind since it was heavy RP in his favour, too bad MC did not know this at all because Lacey did not explain anything....she is shown to be tired so maybe she forgot?

I think they are lying to themselves. The man who stole her pencils from her would not have shoved his forearm up her anus.

Obviously the Ketamine, the brain damage was a bad decision. But the masochism was not, But high school Lacey and Gristle never had a chance because he would kept to the rules - only touch her head. She needed someone who cared nothing for her to bring her the pain she needed.

Edit for DeviantFun

L "So my key coping mechanism was denial."
L "I wasn't lying to you, I was lying to myself."

and one of the most important lines in the entire AVN

L "I am also afraid of conflict and my brain will believe whatever it needs to, to avoid it."
L "This makes me an easy target for being manipulated."

Always, always, always Lacey will deal with an angry Gristle by agreeing with him.

Yes, we could have figured it out.
Yes you are right.
Yes you are right.
Yes you are right.

Wrong, you have the script on hand, go and check the context of the line you posted and say it is the "most important", I don't even have to look it up to know that the next lines explain her decision making abilities and she is not referring to MC at all.

In fact, one of the biggest contradictions about Lacey is that she is non confrontational with everyone (in act 1 mostly), but always tries to stir up stuff with MC.

If she is non confrontational with MC, how come she fights with him on the phone and then lies to him about Will to make him jealous which will obviously lead to a confrontation? (act 1, Brimley party, Lacey sends the messages to Mia instead of MC).

If she is non confrontational with your interpretation, why would she push him and try to pick a fight when MC just wants to drop the discussion? (Isaac aftermath).

If she is non confrontational why does she want to include a huge argument at the end of JD? (I would suggest looking for the phrase "emotional vampire" in the script, it will explain the situation better).

Or how can you explain these?

L "I have an idea."
MC "What's that?"
L "How about you get off my case about it?"
L "Does that work for you?"

MC "I know the creative process can be draining, but it seems like the work is overwhelming."
L "Well, you can't help okay."
L "There's nothing you can do, except let me get through this."
MC "Sure. Of course."
MC "How about a backrub?"
L "How about you just leave me alone?"
MC "I... I can do that."

Last post about this topic on my side, she does not agree with MC to avoid a confrontation but because she thinks he is right, and when she doesn't she gives her version and her excuses.

 

[daimadochi]

Act 3 is really weird on several points , i don't know if the author did all this on purpose or not but the result is i don't know anymore who wants/needs/is afraid of/don't give a fuck of what.
Like the threesome scene , all of the girl's day , the MC reactions to all of lacey actions (or lack of) , how Lacey handle certain things , reacts to things .
It's the most confusing of the 3 acts for me.

 

[monkeyqueen]

This is incorrect there was always a double angle:

-----
L "I am not trying to turn you into me."
L "I want you to date other women, so you can feel more confident."
L "So, you can experience the things you missed out on."
L "And so you can hurt me."

This is right. Actually I think it becomes even clearer in the final scene of buying Isaac's house (in which, incidentally, Gristle tells an even bigger lie than the white lie Lacey told)

She doesn't want to CHANGE him she wants him to understand what he is: a sadist, a wife beater and man who hates women. She wants Dr. Jekyl to let Mr. Hyde come out

L "I am your girl."
L "Don't be afraid to remind me of that from time to time."
L "And I ain't talking about buying me flowers."
L "I'm talking about buying me a five finger back hand."
. . .
L "So I'm asking you. Please. Intervene."
L "Tell me I'm fucking up. So I can stop doing it."
L "And if I don't, then it ceases to be your problem."
L "Then I'm just being a raging bitch and you should probably have it out with me."
. . .
L "And this version of me needs to be verbally smacked around a little."
L "Please help me be what you need me to be."
L "I'm begging you."
MC "Okay. I can do that."
MC "At least I hope I can."
L "You can. You definitely can."
L "You just need to learn to unchain that part of your personality."
. . .

L "Destroy them or make sure you hurt them as you go down."
L "You are an executive at a successful company."
L "You have a fucking hot wife."
. . .

And let's be real DeviantFun is she isn't masochist how do you explain the fact that she loves it when her husband hurts her during sex and her ultimate fantasy is be killed by him during sex while he whispers "I love you" ?

This seem impossible to dispute. I mean THE reason she see this side of him and the other harem members don't is that she has sex with her sadist and they do not:

Choking during sex scene:

MC "You spread your legs like a useless slut."
MC "You let a man fuck you and cum inside your cunt."
L "I am your cocksleeve to do with as you please."
MC "Why the fuck are you still smiling?!"
L "Because I've never been so happy."
L "You want to possess me."
L "And I want to be your possession."
hide jealousymc04 with dissolve
"I squeeze harder as I continue to fuck her."
show jealousymc05 with dissolve
"With each thrust her breasts bounce back and forth."
"She struggles to breathe."
"But still her smile is unshakeable."
MC "Tell me you love me."
"She struggles to speak clearly."
L "I love you."
"I cum inside of her again."
"I can feel it pouring out of her full vagina with each thrust."
MC "Tell me you belong to me."
L "I belong to you."
MC "Tell me that you're mine."
L "I am yours."
MC "Did you cum again you selfish little girl?"
L "I've cum five times."
L "(gasp)"
L "I've never felt so good."
"I feel overwhelmed."
"It feels so good."
L "(struggling breaths)"
"My anger is so strong."
"My love for her so complete."
MC "I'd rather kill you then lose you."
L "I'd rather die then be let go."
MC "WHO DO YOU BELONG TO?!"
L "(gasp)"
L "Only you."
MC "Why are you still so god damn happy?!"
L "Because I'm your wife."
"As soon as those words leave her lips I cum again for the last time tonight."
MC "You feel so good to cum inside."
"I loosen my grip enough to let her breathe easier."
L "I love you."
MC "I love you too goddammit."
L "I love you."
MC "(emotional) I love you too."
L "I will never stop being yours."
MC "Cum for me you stupid girl."
L "(screaming orgasm)"
L "FUCK! IT FEELS SO GOOD!"
L "Oh my God it feels so wonderful."

I think the reason you are denying that she is a masochist is that she is three things in a Venn diagram - a cutter, a masochist and a scapegoat. Scapegoats don't enjoy being hurt but accept it. Cutters (sorta) don't like pain but use it to cope with stress. Masochists get satisfaction - often sexual satisfaction - from abuse.

 

[DeviantFun]

Act 3 is really weird on several points , i don't know if the author did all this on purpose or not but the result is i don't know anymore who wants/needs/is afraid of/don't give a fuck of what.
Like the threesome scene , all of the girl's day , the MC reactions to all of lacey actions (or lack of) , how Lacey handle certain things , reacts to things .
It's the most confusing of the 3 acts for me.

I think it is a pretty common feeling for many readers.

I will be honest, I appreciate the author producing at the neckbreaking speed he does, but I would gladly wait one month more for more coherence and less forgotten points (we still need some resolution on some act 1 stuff, and 2 big ones from act 2, maybe those will be picked up in act 4, but....why ignore them).

There was enough material and stuff to "play" with already without the need to inject and force more drama (just by discussing the 2 big plot points left behind in act 2 there would probably be a tornado of drama).

 

[daimadochi]

There was enough material and stuff to "play" with already without the need to inject and force more drama (just by discussing the 2 big plot points left behind in act 2 there would probably be a tornado of drama).

I really wanted to see the scene where th MC confront her about the answers during the king's weekend in particular.
It's such a let down that's it's not adressed.

 

[monkeyqueen]

Act 3 is really weird on several points , i don't know if the author did all this on purpose or not but the result is i don't know anymore who wants/needs/is afraid of/don't give a fuck of what.
Like the threesome scene , all of the girl's day , the MC reactions to all of lacey actions (or lack of) , how Lacey handle certain things , reacts to things .
It's the most confusing of the 3 acts for me.

To me it's the chapter that where it all come together. What specifically confuses you?

Girls day - this is still a NTR avn so he's a pay pig. The girls are on molly, he is keeping his poker face on and they assume he's having a good time. This is why Abby sets up the poker match - she understands that he has good poker face.

Why does he agree to be a paypig? At this point he's broken down and admitted that he needs therapy and here comes Abby saying "why don't we do a very twisted form of therapy"?

The MC has a blind spot for women who are fucking with him but is hyper aware of men who are fucking with him.


Lacey? 1) she was on Molly 2) she flirts so her husband will come over and be jealous and he didn't do that so the flirting intensified - Abby talked him to abandoning his protector / scary dom role.

 

[WannabeShady90]

L "I've told you I don't want you to be like me."
L "I... (sigh)"
L "...happen to like that you're intensely jealous."

Let me address this real quick: Do you think it is healthy to be in a relationship with someone who activly goes out of her way to hurt you AND gets off of it? Setting aside the many, many, many, many, many, many other red flags...this red flag alone is relevant enough that everything you try to build on that sandy foundation will inevitably crumble. You've made quite a few excuses for Lacey, quoting her a lot (as if I would give a fuck about what she is saying), but her ACTIONS contradict her words on a regular.

 

[WannabeShady90]

This is right. Actually I think it becomes even clearer in the final scene of buying Isaac's house (in which, incidentally, Gristle tells an even bigger lie than the white lie Lacey told)

She doesn't want to CHANGE him she wants him to understand what he is: a sadist, a wife beater and man who hates women. She wants Dr. Jekyl to let Mr. Hyde come out

L "I am your girl."
L "Don't be afraid to remind me of that from time to time."
L "And I ain't talking about buying me flowers."
L "I'm talking about buying me a five finger back hand."
. . .
L "So I'm asking you. Please. Intervene."
L "Tell me I'm fucking up. So I can stop doing it."
L "And if I don't, then it ceases to be your problem."
L "Then I'm just being a raging bitch and you should probably have it out with me."
. . .
L "And this version of me needs to be verbally smacked around a little."
L "Please help me be what you need me to be."
L "I'm begging you."
MC "Okay. I can do that."
MC "At least I hope I can."
L "You can. You definitely can."
L "You just need to learn to unchain that part of your personality."
. . .

L "Destroy them or make sure you hurt them as you go down."
L "You are an executive at a successful company."
L "You have a fucking hot wife."
. . .

And let's be real DeviantFun is she isn't masochist how do you explain the fact that she loves it when her husband hurts her during sex and her ultimate fantasy is be killed by him during sex while he whispers "I love you" ?

This seem impossible to dispute. I mean THE reason she see this side of him and the other harem members don't is that she has sex with her sadist and they do not:

Choking during sex scene:

MC "You spread your legs like a useless slut."
MC "You let a man fuck you and cum inside your cunt."
L "I am your cocksleeve to do with as you please."
MC "Why the fuck are you still smiling?!"
L "Because I've never been so happy."
L "You want to possess me."
L "And I want to be your possession."
hide jealousymc04 with dissolve
"I squeeze harder as I continue to fuck her."
show jealousymc05 with dissolve
"With each thrust her breasts bounce back and forth."
"She struggles to breathe."
"But still her smile is unshakeable."
MC "Tell me you love me."
"She struggles to speak clearly."
L "I love you."
"I cum inside of her again."
"I can feel it pouring out of her full vagina with each thrust."
MC "Tell me you belong to me."
L "I belong to you."
MC "Tell me that you're mine."
L "I am yours."
MC "Did you cum again you selfish little girl?"
L "I've cum five times."
L "(gasp)"
L "I've never felt so good."
"I feel overwhelmed."
"It feels so good."
L "(struggling breaths)"
"My anger is so strong."
"My love for her so complete."
MC "I'd rather kill you then lose you."
L "I'd rather die then be let go."
MC "WHO DO YOU BELONG TO?!"
L "(gasp)"
L "Only you."
MC "Why are you still so god damn happy?!"
L "Because I'm your wife."
"As soon as those words leave her lips I cum again for the last time tonight."
MC "You feel so good to cum inside."
"I loosen my grip enough to let her breathe easier."
L "I love you."
MC "I love you too goddammit."
L "I love you."
MC "(emotional) I love you too."
L "I will never stop being yours."
MC "Cum for me you stupid girl."
L "(screaming orgasm)"
L "FUCK! IT FEELS SO GOOD!"
L "Oh my God it feels so wonderful."

I think the reason you are denying that she is a masochist is that she is three things in a Venn diagram - a cutter, a masochist and a scapegoat. Scapegoats don't enjoy being hurt but accept it. Cutters (sorta) don't like pain but use it to cope with stress. Masochists get satisfaction - often sexual satisfaction - from abuse.

What a bunch of bullshit (yet again). You really stay consistant. If you think he is a sadist, read my little alternative version from a couple of days ago. He isn't even capable of hurting her if he wanted to (she gave him enough reasons for it). He hasn't beaten anyone. It is obvious that you are projecting. Maybe you are a dirty little man hating liberal feminist whore who terrorized a man so long until he broke and actually fucked you up. She wants to be hurt because she hates herself. She cut herself up as a child because the abuse broke her. Hurting her is her FUCKING LOVE LANGUAGE. How can you be so fucking retarded, even for a woman, to not get that? He fucking hates red bra days, because he fucking hates hurting her.

 

[WannabeShady90]

She thinks that hurting her will help him because hurting herself (at home and in college) has helped her, but she traumatizes him even further. But she doesn't give a fuck about that because she is a grade A fucking narcissist

 

[Lady Lydia]

I really wanted to see the scene where th MC confront her about the answers during the king's weekend in particular.
It's such a let down that's it's not adressed.

I think at this point if the MC confronted Lacey about each and every things she did, we'd have 10+ hours or exposition to deal with. I don't know about you, but I feel its a bit much at this point for the Dev to make & us to watch a 10 hours long discussion between the MC & Lacey, plus frankly it would cripple the development of the game by several months for something which wouldn't really have a pay off worth the efforts both on the Dev & our own parts.

 

[Yabba]

The killer for me is that I actually Love Laceys normal character as much as the MC does so when she behaves irrational it hurts like a motherfucker for him and me and i need to let that go lol ,,

but seriously the level of debate on here is amazing like its 5 am where i live and im still reading stuff you guys and gals are posting and i have done so for the last 4 nights since opening this nightmare fuel AVN.

Like the Lady says we are suffering severe stockholm syndrome !

As an aside im reading another AVN that is just as long and convoluted as LJ called onedayatatime about drug addicts - it is very well writen and unlike this AVN its funny as fuck, like you get proper belly laughs from it .so for me it helps de-stress after reading LJ .

 

[NewGuy2022]

I really wanted to see the scene where th MC confront her about the answers during the king's weekend in particular.
It's such a let down that's it's not adressed.

That would be nice to read. I expect the author won't give us that, though. I'm not sure the MC in his current state could confront anyone about anything; he's too shellshocked from Lacey's and the NPC's abuse. The last thing we can expect from the MC, especially now, is for him to man up and face down those who abuse him.

If he did try to confront her she would merely convince him that nothing bad happened, it was nothing to worry about, and that anything bad that may have happened was all the MC's fault. And the MC would decide to believe her.

That's where this story is for me right now...

 

[DeviantFun]

Let me address this real quick: Do you think it is healthy to be in a relationship with someone who activly goes out of her way to hurt you AND gets off of it? Setting aside the many, many, many, many, many, many other red flags...this red flag alone is relevant enough that everything you try to build on that sandy foundation will inevitably crumble. You've made quite a few excuses for Lacey, quoting her a lot (as if I would give a fuck about what she is saying), but her ACTIONS contradict her words on a regular.

I never said anything of the sort, in fact their relationship is tragic and a proof that abuse can damage people way beyond the family house walls.
I, like others I suspect, keep Lacey accountable for her actions and yearn for more accountability, as that is a path towards healing, with or without MC.

My correction to you was Lacey not wanting to transform MC to be more like herself (she does not like herself, why would she).
This is not shown in the material and denied often, every time MC suggests it.

I stick to what it is written, else we could say: "everyone lies in the novel and this is the truth I created in my mind", but that is not exactly a good talking point, is it?
Unless a line is underlined (Lacey act 1 saying she did not think about MC cause of K while we discover she knew full well she was harming him and their relationship for example, or Jeanette in act 3) and confirmed, I have no way to determine it.

 

[DeviantFun]

I really wanted to see the scene where th MC confront her about the answers during the king's weekend in particular.
It's such a let down that's it's not adressed.

That is one of many but definitely one of the most important.

What about the pics that Mia shows foir her "bonus lesson", that were supposed to be "as fun as possible" since the hard part was over? We see them, neither in a fun way (how that was supposed to be fun in the first place?) nor getting an explanation.

But if you look even behind those events, we have half explained things that are left hanging, even before these two (which are major and make no sense that they are not addressed).

For example:
There are videos of Lacey on the net or in the hands of others (Barty finds them in a background check, forget Jared using a PI).
Lacey had a website.
Where does Mia get that insane amount of K? (isn't she "poor"?)
Where did all that K go?
How did Lacey sustain her addiction though college?
If Lacey has memory issues how come her memory is perfect? (we could give some leeway here)
How did she graduate if she spent one year in the K hole? (have your tried studiying on K? But we might have an answer in act 3 after the reveal)

And more that could be considered minor but would still be nice to know.

I saw the author trying to justify the insane spending from MC in act 3 (it was one of the issues rised before), when he was worried about some clothes shopping just in act 1 and we know he was overspending on the house (yeah some bonuses + one month of exec salary is not the answer).
But this one we can at least say he tried to explain and we can close an eye.

 

[WannabeShady90]

I never said anything of the sort, in fact their relationship is tragic and a proof that abuse can damage people way beyond the family house walls.
I, like others I suspect, keep Lacey accountable for her actions and yearn for more accountability, as that is a path towards healing, with or without MC.

My correction to you was Lacey not wanting to transform MC to be more like herself (she does not like herself, why would she).
This is not shown in the material and denied often, every time MC suggests it.

I stick to what it is written, else we could say: "everyone lies in the novel and this is the truth I created in my mind", but that is not exactly a good talking point, is it?
Unless a line is underlined (Lacey act 1 saying she did not think about MC cause of K while we discover she knew full well she was harming him and their relationship for example, or Jeanette in act 3) and confirmed, I have no way to determine it.

Fair point. I haven't accused everyone of lying though. I have accused specifically Lacey of lying and we have 2 different types of evidence for that - first of all, she contradicts her own statements time and time again. Second of all, her actions contradict her statements. For example, if she only did those college experiances to be able to be with Captain SaveAHoe, why would she continue with them while she is sober and married to him. Anna said to Captain SaveAHoe, she might withhold information from him if she thought that would be in his best interest. Lacey mostly tells things in a way that serve her own interests. I see no real reason why Captain SaveAHoe should remain in that relationship, because his only trauma is caused by Lacey. He could have a happy life with 2 simple steps. 01.) Be alone for a bit or with someone who actually loves him (without trying to break him apart) and seek therapy. He has a great job, nice house (probably needs to sell it if he wants to move though), a harem full of pretty girls who'd do anything to be his wife...he literally does not need Lacey at all.

Here comes the real deal. I have personal experiance with people like that, male and female. My mother has this tendency to psycho-analyse every person in my life, so I have heard plenty of psychoanalysis throughout my life from a person who studied that shit, worked in forensics and worked in psychotherapy for over 40 years. So I'd say I have an extended knowledge about these kinds of mental health problems and I do feel sorry for them, especially if they aren't at fault themselves (like in abuse cases for example), that's why I was this exact kind of Captain SaveAHoe myself. I was the person who tried to prove that my mother, the expert in the field, was wrong and they could be saved if I only tried hard enough. I was never stupid enough to enter a relationship with them, but I did genuinly try to help them...and here comes the pain: They hate themselves. They punish other people around them for caring for or even loving them (the pain they've caused their boyfriends...oh boy), because they feel like they are not worth being loved. That's why I instantly recognized this kind of trauma. Some even create artificial drama to prove that they are not worth being loved. They think you will abandon them, so they try everything to make that happen. They hurt you until you can't go on anymore and leave. It is a doom loop. That's why Lacey is so obsessed with Captain SaveAHoe leaving her. I know this, because I literally talked people out of doing Overdoses, held their heads above the toilet so they didn't choke on their own vomit, took their drugs at parties away from them and flushed them down the toilet, watched over them all night while they were screaming because of withdrawls...but you can only take so much. At some point the hate sets in. You do so much, but they constantly hurt you. It never stops. That's what made me a sadist. I knew their weak spots...as I've reached my boiling point, I just hit them at their weak spots until they were completly broken. And that is when I seeked treatment myself and stayed away from those kinds of people for their own good and mine as well.

 

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Fair point. I haven't accused everyone of lying though. I have accused specifically Lacey of lying and we have 2 different types of evidence for that - first of all, she contradicts her own statements time and time again. Second of all, her actions contradict her statements. For example, if she only did those college experiances to be able to be with Captain SaveAHoe, why would she continue with them while she is sober and married to him.

Well the "events" you are talking about are quite different.

I do not see the resemblance between phase 3 Lacey and now.

There might be an explanation hinted in act 3 that could make sense of a couple of them (not being disassociated on K "because she learned to love sex" is the weirdest thing I've read in a while so we might have a different angle now).
But also things that make less sense and make seem like Lacey has been lying to MC and maybe to herself (cue 3p).

Anna said to Captain SaveAHoe, she might withhold information from him if she thought that would be in his best interest. Lacey mostly tells things in a way that serve her own interests. I see no real reason why Captain SaveAHoe should remain in that relationship, because his only trauma is caused by Lacey. He could have a happy life with 2 simple steps. 01.) Be alone for a bit or with someone who actually loves him (without trying to break him apart) and seek therapy. He has a great job, nice house (probably needs to sell it if he wants to move though), a harem full of pretty girls who's do anything to be his wife...he literally does not need Lacey at all.

I think you missed that MC tried to kill himself while alone, the guy is severely damaged from years of giving and abuse.
Steps that might look simple to you might not be for others.

Simple example? An addict might have trouble quitting, but the step is simple, no? Stop using and go and be happy.

You think he does not need Lacey, like Mia does, that she can be subbed out by any of the girls, but this is just not the case at least not with current MC state of mind.

Anna...hmmm...well lets say she shifted quite a bit, and if you read act 2 (heck even an event in act 1) you can see that she had your same idea.
Actually Anna is the first one calling Lacey out about her playing the victim all the time and manipulating MC.

Here comes the real deal. I have personal experiance with people like that, male and female. My mother has this tendency to psycho-analyse every person in my life, so I have heard plenty of psychoanalysis throughout my life from a person who studied that shit, worked in forensics and worked in psychotherapy for over 40 years. So I'd say I have an extended knowledge about these kinds of mental health problems and I do feel sorry for them, especially if they aren't at fault themselves (like in abuse cases for example), that's why I was this exact kind of Captain SaveAHoe myself. I was the person who tried to prove that my mother, the expect in the field, was wrong and they could be saved if I only tried hard enough. I was never stupid enough to enter a relationship with them, but I did genuinly try to help them...and here comes the pain: They hate themselves. They punish other people around them for caring for or even loving them (the pain they've caused their boyfriends...oh boy), because they feel like they are not worth being loved. That's why I instatly recognized this kind of trauma. Some even create artificial drama to prove that they are not worth being loved. They think you will abandon them, so they try everything to make that happen. They hurt you until you can't go on anymore and leave. It is a doom loop. That's why Lacey is so obsessed with Captain SaveAHoe leaving her. I know this, because I literally talked people out of doing Overdoses, held their heads above the toilet so they didn't choke on their own vomit, took their drugs at parties away from them and flushed them down the toilet, watched over them all night while they were screaming because of withdrawls...but you can only take so much. At some point the hate sets in. You do so much, but they constantly hurt you. It never stops. That's what made me a sadist. I knew their weak spots...as I've reached my boiling point, I just hit them at their weak spots until they were completly broken. And that is when I seeked treatment myself and stayed away from those kinds of people for their own good and mine as well.

This is getting personal, good for you for seeking help.

Obviously this is a romanticized and tragic love story with "realistic" elements, where the hope of healing is still on the horizon.
Real life experiences might not apply 100%.

We can hope that, at least in this fantasy world, someone can still gain redemption and heal.