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Ren'Py Love, Lust, and Rock 'n Roll [v1.7.1] [FlinPaltwell]

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FlinPaltwell

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Got error, Look like we got caught OOPS welp My body is prepared. I think I can skip this error hopefully


and turn out we didnt Well carry on sexxing. Tho I wish error like these to not pop up at all Totally give me jumpscare if this is horror game like Escape from Tarkov
OH NO!! I'm gonna be honest with you, I am baffled by this error. I have no idea how you'd wind up with an empty randrange call. I can see that it happened when checking to see if you were caught while with Amy on the camping trip, but I don't understand what could possibly have gone wrong.

I'm real sorry that happened, I know I playtested that exact moment and had it working fine both ways. Thank you for sharing this with me, I'll have to do some experiments.

Hey, anyone else, if you run into any errors, please please PLEASE tell me.
 

MilesKiyaAnny

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Yeea, well. I not game devs so dont know much can help but guess I can play test. Well I reach the end Do you have plan to eventually Stella will evenually unconver what going on but not confront? I would prefer this more and then eventually she get turn on and lusting more for Fin and end up leading to orgy etc.

I still playing again and discover more event. Man, I like this replaylitable. You not joking and I thought it would be cheap stuff I found while back but this like new place etc.
 
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FlinPaltwell

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Yeea, well. I not game devs so dont know much can help. Well I reach the end Do you have plan to eventually Stella will evenually unconver what going on but not confront? I would prefer this more and then eventually she get turn on and lusting more for Fin and end up leading to orgy etc.
Did you save before committing to Amy on the camping trip? Are you able to load back and try someone else, to see if the same error happens? If not, that's okay.

To answer your question, I plan for the game to have multiple endings. You'll be able to choose the ending you want, but only if you gained sufficient love to unlock the option. I don't think I really have the emotional energy in me to write a wretched, dramatic, crying Stella breakup scene, so I think I'm just gonna take the coward's way out and have Flin and whoever he chooses to just leave a note and run away together.
But I'm also considering a harem ending as one of the possibilities, and Stella can be part of this harem, but her love stat is gonna need to be REAL high compared to the others.

If you're interested to learn more, I discuss my plans at length on this Patreon post I made yesterday (it's free):
 

MilesKiyaAnny

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Awww, dont need for breakup scene. I dislike that but I think the leave note and run sound kinda goofy but I have to see if you able to make it out so yea would prefer harem but I hope you make it kinda loong during this relationship. I know it gonna be too much to work on but it would be nice to add more hot scene stuffs and there discovering part about Flin been with who and who which I think it will be exciting part for player

So I read them your plan on Patreon, Ahh. that sound tiring but in return if you manage to pull it off you get even more hotter stuff. Man, no orgy huh What a shame It would be great and for pregrancy are part of vanilia feitish. I not the fan of dom sub BSMD it totally weird me out if done wrong. anyway you could like "Oh no Fin we gonna pregnant" ,"Ahh get me pregnant" "Fin choose to cum inside* Ahhhh Fin. You done it now. Ahh Now you/i going to drain/fill you more" etc.

Then evetually ending or before ending they belly slightly grow and we have more sex *all position* after/Saying they probably eat too much etc to dodge question. til at the end preggy sex with or without harem orgy somewhere after run away or not. I hope this give you idea and encourage you to do orgy. It does sure tired but I think you would get more satisfaction to everyone too.
You can even take a break if that too much to work on. It does give mind some thought and idea for me then back to project again
 
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FlinPaltwell

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I hope this give you idea and encourage you to do orgy. It does sure tired but I think you would get more satisfaction to everyone too.
You can even take a break if that too much to work on. It does give mind some thought and idea for me then back to project again
Sorry man, I truly appreciate the enthusiasm but orgies just don't do it for me. They're also not allowed, per Patreon's rules, because Julie, Amy, and Stella are all related. As silly as it is, having two people who are related in an orgy counts as incest by Patreon's standards (I've looked this up). I'm pretty sure even if they don't touch each other at all, it's considered incest, though I'm not 100% sure.

Though even if that rule weren't there, I have my own personal rule, and it's to only make content that I really like. It's not the first time I wished I liked something that's really popular, because then I could have fun making it! But yeah.

However, like I said in that post, when I finish the game I'll be uploading some of my Blender files along with a tutorial so you can make an orgy yourself if you like.
 

MilesKiyaAnny

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Mman I not animator tho soo dont know what to do with that but someone might. So those can be use for modder right? I do saw couple of games around here that mod in scene. I suppose if fan release mod instead then it might do through here F95. Anyway I do have save and this one error from someone else
 
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here huh Test heh
Well gosh man, I opened your save and ran through Amy's event and didn't run into any problems. I'll have to do some more research. But if you decide to play through again on Ascension mode, let me know if the same thing happens again.
 

MilesKiyaAnny

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Aya, well I just reach that point. I try with Juile and got caught intentionally and it not broke too. Weird butt random error I guess and yeaa I finally see what game over look like. It will do

Oh Samantha to harem too I hope
 

FlinPaltwell

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Aya, well I just reach that point. I try with Juile and got caught intentionally and it not broke too. Weird butt random error I guess and yeaa I finally see what game over look like. It will do
Wait.
I just figured it out. I got the crash, and I realized what I did that caused the crash. I'm such a fucking idiot.

So basically, this error is only possible to get if your suspicion is negative AND if your finesse stat is less than 100. Even then, there's a chance you avoid the bug (the higher your finesse, the less likely you encounter the bug).

To briefly explain, if you're going to generate a random number within a range in renpy, you can't have the second number in the argument be lower than the first number.
In this camping update, I decided to do something I hadn't done before, which was to give you a chance of being caught even if your suspicion is negative. Which I'm realizing doesn't even work the way I wanted it to, because if your suspicion is negative then the second check won't work anyway.

Point is, in the past, the game was literally preventing you from being checked upon if suspicion was negative, which kept this error completely hidden from me.

I'm gonna try to fix this. God, I hate it when I miss bugs.
 

MilesKiyaAnny

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Hehah welp I goin to play something else now I done with current build. lookin forward for update despite no orgy but at least there will be confrontation to everyone I hope
 
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FlinPaltwell

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Hehah welp I goin to play something else now I done with current build. lookin forward for update despite no orgy but at least there will be confrontation to everyone I hope
Thanks for giving the game a shot, and thanks for telling me about this bug, seriously. I just fixed it, so I'll get a hotfix out soon (for anyone else reading this who may have experienced the same thing).
 

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Version 1.6.1 - Hotfix

You can download for free on Itch:

Fixed a bug that could cause the game to crash during any camping sex sequence when you're about to be caught, if your suspicion was negative and your finesse was less than 100. Even then, the crash could be avoided by chance, so I missed it while playtesting. It should be airtight now, but please let me know if you run into any other bugs!! Thanks!
 
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Fakemort

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Finally tried the game. It is quite good so far.

Pros:
- Dialogue and internal narratives explicitly acknowledging the cheating that's happening. Most games with "cheating" don't bother to add explicit reference to the cheating in the internal narratives of the characters/dialogue and that completely sucks the thrill out of the kink.
- Good story.

Cons:
- Why no nips? Odd choice.
- Creampies have no impact for the exact reasons outlined above that cheating does. There's no decision about whether or not to pull out. There are minimal internal narratives about risks of unprotected sex and worse there are zero explicit dialogues about it between the characters involved. It's the animation game equivalent of when a guy ejaculates on the outside of the puss in real person porn, yet the video is tagged "creampie" and categorized the same as all the other videos actually depicting balls deep insemination.

Mixed:
- Animation is good as hell, so it's baffling that nearly every single scene is missionary position. Much greater variation is needed to not be stuck with the feeling of watching the same scene again and again. Even the background art for sex scene, such that it is, is so completely bland as to contribute to this feeling of watching the same scene happen again and again. In short, a lot is being asked of us as the player in terms of using our imagination with the dialogue to make the scenes feel distinct rather than the distinctions actually feeling present in game. Why does the sex scene in the hotel room with Kelly feel the same as the sex scene in Kelly's place or the same as the scene where the roads have rained out and they are alone? Same positions, same-ish looking backgrounds, no decisions from the player perspective other than the initial decision to go for it, etc.

Suggestions for the creator:
- Add nips. Seriously odd decision.
- Add more positions.
- Add explicit reference to risky sex, even if that never materializes as actual pregnancy content. This could include having girls wanting the MC to pull out and there's a like/lust/guilt consequence for not doing so. Alternatively, in some contexts pull out is preferred but situation prevents it (tent sex creampie while husbando stands outside listening suspiciously for sex noises).
- If you are feeling ambitious, add a blackmail/coercion path corresponding to high guilt, high lust, low like. It would be so easy to implement with the stat system already in place. It would just take a bunch of new dialogue/internal narratives (which I know is probably mountains more work than I am giving credit for). Hell, you could even soft lock the blackmail content behind doing one complete playthrough of the love/lust route, or make the requirements pretty extreme from a finesse perspective so players are very unlikely to pull anything off in the non-Ascension runs.

Anyways, that's my piece. Overall it is a great game and I am excited to see where it goes. Even if it stays vanilla AF, it's a solid experience and a credit to the creator. I just think it could be taken to the next level with the suggestions I added above.
 

FlinPaltwell

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Anyways, that's my piece. Overall it is a great game and I am excited to see where it goes. Even if it stays vanilla AF, it's a solid experience and a credit to the creator. I just think it could be taken to the next level with the suggestions I added above.
This is as fair of a response as one could give! I appreciate you taking the time to word things diplomatically, and I appreciate the kind words!

What's funny is, I was actually in the middle of working on another Julie missionary animation just now (recycling Kelly's kissing animation), when I decided to take a break and noticed your comment :ROFLMAO: so let's talk about the animation critique first.

The long and short of it is, I love missionary position. The only other positions that come remotely close for me are lotus and cowgirl (and reverse missionary). What all of these have in common is face-to-face sex, and the ability for the woman's breasts to be squished between them and such (or grabbed by the hands in the case of cowgirl). There's a sense of intimacy that drives the entire thing for me.
Unfortunately, it's not just "missionary is my favorite," it's "I literally get soft when I see 69'ing"...or doggy style (some exceptions), or anal, or even piledriving. They do almost nothing for me. So I'm simply not going to spend 5-20 hours making a 69'ing animation when it's not fun for me.
I'm not throwing any shade at you or your tastes; if anything, I'm jealous, because liking that stuff would mean I could vary things up and have even more fun (not to mention, more popularity). Just explaining why it doesn't happen.

In regards to many animations looking the same, lack of backgrounds, etc., I can only say that context matters a great deal to me. So when I make an animation (or a still image) of Flin 'n Julie in missionary that I'm really proud of, I wanna see it used in all sorts of scenarios, not just one brief moment. If I really like how I managed to get the boobs rippling against the chest, then I wanna see how that looks with Amy's face as well, hence the shameless recycling of many animations (to be fair, in many cases I find that I need to make a few edits to their general frame in order for it to feel right with the new character, so it's rarely a flat copy-paste). The simple fact is, when I play through the game and see the same animation 7 times, I love it every time.

And I think that's perhaps what people have trouble understanding or believing: I honestly just fucking love what I make. If I can't jerk off to a given sex scene, image, or animation I've made, I don't include it in the game. I either edit it until I can, or I scrap the entire idea. There are rare exceptions, and sure, there's some old imagery still in the game that I don't like anymore, but once upon a time, I did. And when I find time, I revamp those images gradually.

Admittedly, sometimes an image doesn't really come together the way I wanted, and I settle because it's "good enough."

In regards to nipples, I refer you to a post I made a while back:
-snip- (just click the quote to find the post earlier in this thread)
I'm...not adding nipples. Not seeing them doesn't bother me at all, and the amount of effort it would take to add them, especially to retroactively add them, is immense...for something that doesn't bother me at all.
But I will try to see about adding them in the next game I make. But it will likely be years before that game sees the light of day.

Oh yeah, and no blackmail, sorry. You mentioned how not adding explicit reference to the cheating sucks the thrill out of the kink (I agree). Well, blackmail sucks the fun out of the sex for me.
Both people need to be holding back, while a tidal wave of lust builds within, until that wave bursts forth and they consensually give in. One might be more hesitant than the other, but never by a lot. This is the type of scene I strive to make.

All this to say, every opinion you hold is valid. I don't mean to come across as aggressive in any capacity, and I apologize if my tone has given that impression. I'm just trying to convey that this game is backed by strong feelings I have; it wasn't thrown together haphazardly even though it might look it. I knew when I first released this that the lack of nipples would weird people out (though I'll confess, across all my niche tastes and preferences, this is the one thing I feel truly alone in lol).

In short, I may throw in the odd shot here or there of a new position, but beyond that, the primary reason I make this is because it's really fun to make. Making 537 different missionary animations might seem psychotic to some, but it is truly fun for me haha. And also, I prioritize my efforts towards things that bother me.

Thanks for taking the time to leave a thoughtful set of critiques, and thanks for the compliment about the animation quality, I appreciate that! I hope this helps to explain why I approach this the way I do, and why I'm so stubborn about staying the course.
 

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Streizar

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Dev, idk if you're open to suggestions and feedback, the game is amazing, I think it would be even better if it had more unique sex scenes for each girl/dirty talk based on their kinks (something a bit more raunchy), giving the characters more personality, seeing the same sex scene for every girl didn't necessarily kill the mood for me but it left me wanting instead
 

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This game is, frankly, amazing and hits that perfect fetish spot that I can never seem to find. There are almost no games or even non-romance-novel stories about developing a secret adulterous romance. Especially mutually adulterous romances, where both participants have significant others they are hiding it from.

A couple thoughts and pleas.

1. Kelly best girl. Other opinions are invalid. If her ending isn't running away together and becoming a superstar rock duo then I will be very sad. I do sort of hope for some references to what happened in the past during her ending, though. A 'full crying breakup scene' would be too much I think, and wouldn't really focus on the new relationship they have.

I would prefer something like... maybe an interviewer asking pointed questions about their "previous band" and their answers, then their actual thoughts afterward in private between just Flin and Kelly. Maybe with a sexy scene after confirming "no regrets" or somesuch. Or maybe some of their new fans gossiping about them after a show that they overhear. Or even seeing something in a tabloid provoking a talk about the past, if they have gotten that big by that point. Something that has them briefly run back through their thoughts and feelings from the very first time they saw each other, through falling for one another, their choice to be together, and their eventual present day circumstances.

Basically, an emotional retrospective on their relationship. Probably followed by sex.

2. Julie second best girl. Also not up for debate. I feel torn on this potential ending. I admit, I kind of want two different possible endings for Julie. I don't know if you are going to do multi-endings though, so I'll just have to hope. Both of them involve Julie getting pregnant, though. I truly don't think a non-pregnant Julie ending would be satisfying, considering her whole... everything.

The first ending I hope to see would be divorce and elopement. Pregnant Julie on her honeymoon with Flin or a "several years later" version with her in their happy home holding Flin's child, something like that. In both cases her and Flin talking about how happy they are and maybe talking a little bit about her ex-husband and other family, but mostly in the context of how happy she is with her new life. This is the traditional ending. It's well-worn in many game types.

The other one is less standard, and also the one I am worried won't make it in. A "cuckoo's nest" ending where Flin and Julie continue their secret relationship indefinitely. Stella's suspicion and trust hit a strong enough level that she never suspects anything forever. They stay together, maybe even marry and become rockstars with the band. Meanwhile, Flin and Julie continue their clandestine romance, even getting Julie pregnant. Possibly more than once. Julie stays married, raising Flin's children as her husband's while basically stealing her daughter's husband.

Maybe as rockstars Flin convinces Stella to buy a seperate house for Julie because she helps with the band or something, and Flin+Julie do married couple stuff there on the down low. Possibly even to the point people comment on it, but the high-trust low-suspicion Stella just thinks of it as Flin's good relationship with her parents.

It would take more setup and wordcount to do well. But the thought is pretty hot, at least to me. But I have to admit the full "divorces husband and leaves children to run away with main character and start a new family" ending has some appeal too.

Anyway. Just some thoughts.

The secret blowjob in the forest was amazing, though. And Kelly's internal monologue in the tent while her boyfrind was standing outside was beyond amazing. A couple more 'risky quickie' scenes like that for each girl would be pretty hot.
 
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