Red I really appreciate the work you and Farfro are putting in but you gatta realise that if you are but for God's sake your going to kill yourselfs if you give all of the enemies unique rapes for each character personally yes I do like your redesigns but seriously please save yourselfs the struggle there are over 20 enemies and most of them have 2 rape animations I get that the animations don't really have life in them which does make them boring but still revamping literally everything is going to take forever why do you think the updates for the main game take so long because of the animations and characters if you wanna put less strain on yourself just stick to the original artstyle and just add onto the original sprites as an artist stand point I get that animation takes a long time but seriously this is just going overboard I'm just letting you know this now so you can be less stressed with what you do later the point I'm trying to make here is try not to overwhelm yourselfs with work and if you need time we'll wait and if your going with this be cautious on what you will do ok
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I'm sorry but are you saying that people are not allowed to criticise a game/mod, let alone the redesigns?
Because that's all I'm really doing, I'm just expressing how I feel about it and there shouldn't be anything wrong with that.
How is expressing one's (negative) opinion going to ruin a game/mod? I highly doubt that merely criticism is precisely why the original developers of Project X abandoned the game, though if that's the case then that is just pathetic.
Since this is a Sonic fan game, if we follow this logic then I guess people shouldn't criticise the likes of Sonic 06 and Sonic Forces because that would mean Sonic Team would ruin future games further, right? No, that's not how that works!
People who properly criticise games did so because they sincerely want the games and the developers to be better.
Hell, the people who criticised Sonic games the most are fans themselves because they know precisely what could be better in these games which are much more invaluable for the developers to consider than some clowns stating that "Sonic was never good" or whatever bullshit they say which is an extremely poor form of criticism.
Criticism is important, particularly ones that are constructive, because they provide invaluable information on what could be done for improvement. It's not people just saying it's shit because that's obviously unhelpful which is not what I was doing.
Being unable to take criticism and just dismiss it as people being entitled is not a good outlook for a game developer and even if you present something for free, that doesn't and shouldn't make it immune from reasonable criticism that could potentially help you improve as a developer, artist, etc.
I'm not going out of my way to harass the developers over a redesign and I do not approve of that other guy arguing with Frafro just because they feel very emotional about it which is not a good reason for it.
I don't even hate the redesign nor do I think it's bad, I'm just not a fan of how different it is and I refuse to believe that the curvy body is somehow more on-model or accurate to the original design when official media always depicted Tails to have thin rubber-hose limbs and a round body. Despite this, I still said I understand and respect the decision to make it more consistent with the other characters' (re)designs.
I even tried to be constructive with my criticism by pointing out that perhaps the body shape could be readjusted to be more rectangular or roundish. They don't have to follow it of course but I'm just pointing out what I feel iffy about the redesign.
Just so you know, I do have experience in game development, modding and pixel art.
I know how fucking hard it is to finish a game, how tedious it can be to mod a game, and how long it takes to complete several pixel animation sets so please don't insult me by labeling me as someone who knows fuck all just because I criticise.
I know it's not easy and it's very time-consuming that it could even take years, I'm sure even people who don't have such experiences can still empathise with that, but that doesn't mean that invaluable constructive criticism should be ignored. Even for a free mod or game, there's nothing good in silencing people who just wants to express themselves over how they feel about it even if their opinions aren't positive. Don't chastise them for speaking their mind out unless it's unhelpful.
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I just don't like the redesigns because now they have to go back and change every animation.
At that point you might as well make your own game with the engine.
Like it was fine with just the enemies' basic look at first, but now with the characters getting redesigned too, none of the original game is going to remain unchanged.
At that point you might as well make your own game with the engine.
Like it was fine with just the enemies' basic look at first, but now with the characters getting redesigned too, none of the original game is going to remain unchanged.
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The only thing I'm trying to say to them is don't overwhelm yourselves with work I'm not saying rework the entire god damned engine I'm just worried that all of this work might get to them seriously Zeta had too have an entire team on this game reworking all of the animations is going to be a shitton of work that's all, I'm not discouraging them from going into their own artstyles I'm just saying that this really doesn't make sense to me but to be clear I wouldn't mind if they just stuck with the original artwork
I'ma be honest I like the original Cream sprite better the others are fine especially blazes she needed that from a technical stand point I understand that but the others don't really need it
I'ma be honest I like the original Cream sprite better the others are fine especially blazes she needed that from a technical stand point I understand that but the others don't really need it
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yeah criticism is ok as long as it's well mannered and structured in a understandable format, the Devs should understand and respect the opinions of the fans but they aren't robots, the Devs are on break until july so they won't be able to fulfil these request at the moment
It would just be unfair to redesign blaze and cream and leave the other characters unchanged, I do understand your worries with them being overwhelmed but please try not to discourage the dev team into doing a half made project, the original character sprites are outdated and frafro has a plan laid out for them, best we can do is be patient, give our opinion in a civilized manner and encourage and support the team
Like I said I don't really mind the redesigns but Creams redesign ain't really doing it for me I'm just trying to let them know what they're getting themselves into I'm not trying to discourage them either like I said I really prefer Red's redesign of then Farfros but then again all of this is subjective
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Howdy, I've seen that some of you are talking and worried about our plans to remade enemies and characters. I'm glad to hear that, because it shows that you really like this mod and respect the work put into it. However, you don't have to worry about it so much. Creating enemies and characters is a bit time-consuming, but I will still try to do it. On the other hand, the sex animation is something that may not change that much, to be honest. Most of the characters will have the same animation. So only a few enemies will have something unique. There is also the possibility that most enemies will just have the same sex animation, but slightly reworked to accommodate the new enemy and character design. I'm really grateful that you're worried about us, but you don't have to, really 
. For now, enjoy the mod and mention any bugs you find in it. Or cool ideas that can be added there.
. For now, enjoy the mod and mention any bugs you find in it. Or cool ideas that can be added there.Your welcome Red and I have a cool little suggestion how about you give tails his arm blaster from battle as a attack
Howdy, I've seen that some of you are talking and worried about our plans to remade enemies and characters. I'm glad to hear that, because it shows that you really like this mod and respect the work put into it. However, you don't have to worry about it so much. Creating enemies and characters is a bit time-consuming, but I will still try to do it. On the other hand, the sex animation is something that may not change that much, to be honest. Most of the characters will have the same animation. So only a few enemies will have something unique. There is also the possibility that most enemies will just have the same sex animation, but slightly reworked to accommodate the new enemy and character design. I'm really grateful that you're worried about us, but you don't have to, really
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I already think about that idea, to add him arm blaster from Sonic battle.
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Redeye samurai. I really appreciate all the effort and work you're putting into this mod. All I ask of you is to not overwork yourself. Take as long as you need
Ante todo, redeyes procura primero tu propio bienestar y no te preocupes por lo que dicen otros siempre habrá gente gritando y exigiendo cosas, solo ignóralos (o directamente puedes expulsarlos del grupo) tu sigue haciendo el gran trabajo que llevas haciendo hasta ahora.
I always make comparisons in my texts with something, because from my point of view it is more intelligible to describe more clearly, it saves me from writing a much more detailed description and usually greatly simplifies the task of bringing the thought, because on knowledge of the objects of comparison it is built as once the understanding of the vision. For example, about the gigachad, it's much easier for me to point out that tails is similar to him, because we all know about the people related to this "meme?" , i.e. a reference muscular body, with a clear relief, the muscles are perfectly proportioned and the posture is epic, there are also shadows on the body, which again is closer to the style described above. And when I write something for comparison, these are not just words for shouting, it is precisely a concentrated text / meaning embedded in one word. In my country this is always done and I am no doubt surprised that a direct comparison with something is not clear to people in other countries or, in this case, is perceived as an insult or just a set of bad words. For me, this greatly changes the idea of the principles of communication between people around the world. Regarding the explosive person, I should give some clarity. I don't literally rate myself as a freak who will start bombing from something. From my point of view! (! ! - I have quotation marks with an accent) frarfo spoke, because he reacted to my plea and criticism with the words "You are the person who constantly offends everyone" and the subsequent conversation was in the style of communicating with a troll, this was nonsense for me, because that both the last time and the last one I wrote with thoughts of a plea that the developers would not change the concept of the character, but it turns out that from that moment they misunderstood me and it seems they perceived me as if I were in an orderly - demanding order, I want them to do it the way I did I want to. And herein lies the problem. Trying to somehow change someone's point of view about me is difficult, long and most likely will not work, so I decided to point out that I am hot-tempered because people will apparently perceive me as an asshole, and therefore, if they reacted to subsequent messages, then with blot for yourself. I have no idea how it will be translated. We call this a crutch, supposedly a very strange and irrational way to at least somehow correct the situation. You may not believe me, but I write exactly as it is. Here, in general, a stupid situation went from the very beginning, I didn’t understand frarfo, and he didn’t understand me, because of which he began to get angry with me more, and I decided to end the conversation with him and I decided to end the conversation using the “crutch”, it’s easier to cool down a bit with both sides of this stupid confusion
you are indeed a emotional person, and I can't blame you for it since everyone has their quirks that makes them unique, but if I were to paint you a description of how you sounded toward the Dev, who mind you, is taking his free time on remaking a forgotten porn game that had a history of the fans harassing the old Devs into quitting because they didn't have their niche demands made, it would be callous and conceited, it may be the fault of the translator, which often times makes the user sound robotic and demanding, but there could have been many ways to express you're dissatisfied with the tails redesign without tearing on it and making crude comparisons as a way to get your point across, you say he "ruined" tails despite only being a concept design, thus being free to be changed before he gets worked on, and you urge and demand for him to "fix" it despite the Mod edition Devs stating they're on a break right now due to IRL circumstances, I know you have a passion for this project but you may need to dial it back, because it oftentimes leads to you sounding like a douche, no offence, everyone wants their niche meet, specially after the drought that came after the original Devs stopped updating the game, but people have to know boundaries as to not repeat history, my only consolation for you is that the tails design may still be open for small changes, just ask when the Devs announce they're out of break, and ask in a more constructive and professional manner, Imo I'm good with the current design but that's just me I guess
Although the problem is more on my part, because in my own country I use a non-standard style of communication and + my still not correct knowledge about communicating with foreigners = ugly Frankenstein, which no one likes at all. I'll know.
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Hard to say. It can be in the half of the June or at the end of it.
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the comparison that tails is now muscular is a bit of an exaggeration, yes the design is lean but it is petite, there are no muscles outside the chest shadow, which is in part of frafro's artstyle which is smooth and and detailed, but i do see your point that it may be off putting to a minority of fans that tails is a bit more humanoid, but so is the rest of the redesigned cast, but as i said earlier that this is just concept design so he can be altered to a certain extend, i believe the conflict came in part of a translation misunderstanding and your passion towards the character, the translator makes your native language sentences come off as brash when translated in english and the translator makes your passion come off as desperate and needy, but you didn't intend to sound like that and insult frafro, the language barrier is really frustrating to some where you might not be able to express your feelings on something without making it sound awkward or crude, i have no idea on how to fix the issue outside of using a different translator but im not sure on which one you could be able to use
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