VN Ren'Py Lovephobia [v0.80v4] [Kuviragames]

[Joshy92]

Well, you can have both Ava & Zoe. They won't touch each other or anything like that of course.

 

[Eleanorduval]

Because it is not a harem game.

nah the real reason u are evil milf,more milf! there is only linda untill now.By way what it is difference between interest path and love path (saw it in the walkthrough mod)

 

[Kuviragames]

I am not sure about the walktrough mod. But you get asked a few times if you are interest in someones story. Like Sister, mom, zoe. And if you say no you skip the content. So I guess the walktrough mod just shows you the variable interestzoe - interestlinda and so on. Love should be only for Avas main path. And yes I am evil.

 

[Eleanorduval]

I am not sure about the walktrough mod. But you get asked a few times if you are interest in someones story. Like Sister, mom, zoe. And if you say no you skip the content. So I guess the walktrough mod just shows you the variable interestzoe - interestlinda and so on. Love should be only for Avas main path. And yes I am evil.

i think in wt mod,the man add zoe and linda in the love path

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

First I have to clarify that Ava is and will be always a huge part of the game. You can't avoid her completely. Zuni is an alternate way to spend time instead of some primary scenes with Ava.

It is not planned that MC and Ava become a couple on that path. But I guarantee you that If I decide to go that way you will have to decide between Ava and Zuni. Mhmm more drama..

Oh no I didn't think Ava would go poof. Dang near the face of the game. And you've put in too much effort in building her and the MC up. For me to think other wise. Also I love drama. But onto the topic. Now Chubby luvs ya, he luvs the game. Good stuff all around. You've been a bro this whole time, to where I'm strangely reluctant to say anything, however. There is a tiny thing I think would be helpful. Which is some type of notice that that choice is that impactful. <---this is the tl;dr option.

What I mean is, when I 1st went through the game. I chose Zuni, why? Because like mentioned before. I didn't think Ava was going anywhere. Her and the MC are obviously destined for each other. If we let Jesuz take the wheel going purely off setup. They getting together. Let's be honest. The player is the one who changes that obvious correct course. So I figured hey, someone new. I wasn't thinking about boinking Zuni. Ain't know who or what Zuni could be. I just thought it was a safe bet that the MC and Ava's relationship was going to come into play regardless. With you needing to make a more obvious, "that's not what I want" choice later. Instead it stems from a pretty innocuous choice of let's go see her this one time or lets go see the new person over yonder. Even more so since you got the choice to go see Ava at her job beforehand. So it kinda comes off as a let's go meet the other cast option.

To add to that, I found the bit that had me confused. About you saying they weren't together with the Zuni choice. Because I swear on a stack of fudge squares, I remembered something happening later on.

Spoiler: Which is this little adorable tidbit.

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Another on top of that. If you boink the chick in the van at the start. The hospital scene where you try to diabolically guilt trip us before we do it. Still a nice touch btw. Still plays out, which is kinda weird since from you. They aren't actually together on that path. So it's kinda helping to sending unknown signals. If it wasn't for me going the Ava choice just to see what happens. And the massive difference. Plus coming here seeing your comment. I wouldn't have known about the relationship lockout. I would still be thinking it's in the works, all things considered.

Like I'm not saying put warnings and training wheels all over the place. But I believe it's a wee bit reasonable to think. That a choice in relation with the main main girl, would be a bit more.... obvious. Pronounced. Insert other similar words. Or you know what? Maybe this just an all me issue. But I digress.

 

[Kuviragames]

The hospital scene where you try to diabolically guilt trip us before we do it.

Whoops. (I felt bad testing the cheating route )

First thank you so much. I know tl;dr thing but honestly I am a sucker for this. I love it so much it shows how much thoughts and all put in this. And that is something someone else(here me) should not take it for granted. So <3 <3 <3 thank you really.

I think to explain that I have to give you a bit to read too and explain how my brain works and why I do things I do.
I never played a game with a walk trough on my first or second play trough. Because I like to fully immerse myself and the unknown outcome. I don't feel joy knowing I am on the NTR path because I know to 90% what is happening. I want to get there by my choices without really knowing that this is leading to NTR. (NTR is now an example it goes for all routes).
Most games fail at this because the choices are way to obvious.

Like:
A: Tell her to stop
B: Tell her she should get undressed in front of him.

THANKS CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!

But everyone is different and the most people I think like to have a more guided experience. Something I just learned after I posted my game here.

BTS info now.
When I create a scene I think about a lot how it should be. Then I create the most renders for that scene and then I start to write the dialogues while continue rendering. A few devs and players told me that it is waste of time rendering so much first.
But I need to see the characters to find the right words, right emotions, right whatever.
And for that specific choice.. exactly in that situation I felt.. if you wanna be with Ava you would automatically chose text Ava.
Like if that happens in reality to you.. who would you message? If I were in MCs shoes I would immediately call Ava.
And for people that did not like Ava until then I guess the obvious choice would be the choice that avoids Ava.
But this is my quirk and probably a bad design decision from a neutral perspective.

In my honest opinion. I know that I put way to much thoughts in a AVN but I still like to think that I create more than just a fap game. (Let me have this illusion!!!)
I think people nowadays start games with settled mindset already. It has an NTR tag = "I won't play it" or "where is that an NTR game?". Because they automatically expect it to be an heavy NTR where you get cucked as hard as Zeus ass.

Do I think I do everything right and my game is superior? Of course not. I am doing this for a bit over 5 month now I think. It's my first game and I know I do a lot of mistakes, failing in what people want to see and so on. My PC is reaching his limit often so I have to do workarounds to kinda get the results I want even they don't look as good as I wanted. Or not creating scene at all because I know my PC would explode.
But still there are people that like it. <-- This one is happy! (Thank you guys <3.)

Now to your suggestion. I did plan in the next few updates when the Ava NTR path really started to give the option to highlight choices leading to a specific route. Like an in-built walktrough more or less. But I don't know how to do it yet and how exactly I want to do it.

So my tl;dr is.. I think AVNs are more than just a fap game.

P.S Sorry! I like to write walls of text and sorry for native English speaker.

And as a thank you a small free sneak peak for the next update.

 

[exile171]

Oh boy

Sorry , not sorry Ava!!!!!
Linda is the best woman in the game .
i hope she is or become a LI not just a hook up.

 

[Joshy92]

I don't even like reading walkthroughs with these games. I always just choose whichever option I'd choose in real life, and it's the same with every game I play including this.

I know everyone is different, and it must be hard for devs to balance, but I certainly don't need handholding.

 

[Adhdclassic]

Ava or Zoe those are my gotos just hope Ava and Zoe don't have to NTR me.

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

As much as it pains mah soul. Had to erase and cut down the response. Kept getting sidetracked so I'm going to focus on this... and even then I still managed to write a lot

BTS info now.
When I create a scene I think about a lot how it should be. Then I create the most renders for that scene and then I start to write the dialogues while continue rendering. A few devs and players told me that it is waste of time rendering so much first.
But I need to see the characters to find the right words, right emotions, right whatever.
And for that specific choice.. exactly in that situation I felt.. if you wanna be with Ava you would automatically chose text Ava.
Like if that happens in reality to you.. who would you message? If I were in MCs shoes I would immediately call Ava.
And for people that did not like Ava until then I guess the obvious choice would be the choice that avoids Ava.
But this is my quirk and probably a bad design decision from a neutral perspective.

Well yea, if this were a real life scenario I would've went to Ava. Hell there would be no pursuit of anyone else tbh.

Spoiler: I can't state enough how well you did with Ava

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However, we come into a few issues. As you mentioned, you have a vision of how it should be. But you're the creator in this. You know the routes, you know the characters and behaviors, and what you want things to mean. We as outsiders don't. So we have to go by not just how it looks and what we know. But what we would be used to in other games. I mean even though you're a dev, you also a play games like me. So you know what I mean. So let's kick off the dev shoes, slide on some player loafers. And take a wee step back a bit to observe.

Let's look at it from a more realistic standpoint. Realistically if you cared for Ava and after such a long time having been apart. I agree with you, you're more then likely spending every moment you can with her, understandable. But on the flip side of that. Would the option to talk about a relationship really never come back up? As strongly as Ava is written in her feelings for the MC. Would that really be the only time she felt brave enough to bring it up? Especially since nothing bad really happened (at least at the time. I haven't played the updated bits yet). That would discourage her from not wanting to. If anything it might put pressure on her. Like I didn't get to do it then, so when can I?

Now let's approach it from a gaming standpoint. The choice is innocuous. It doesn't present itself as pivotal. You had the option to see Ava at her job in a choice before. Which gives off the impression that this is just another scene with her. With an alternative choice to see another LI. But without insider knowledge. It does not look like a this is the choice if you don't want Ava. We don't know who Zuni is, she's not established, we have no reason to believe this is an either or situation. It's still early in the game. And stuff like this typically comes later, with more choices to check your feelings, letting you see what's out there, and is marked. On top of that, you get clear choices with everyone else later on. With continue or skip. But the route with the main main girl Ava. The one shown right there on the front page with the MC. The girl who is so obviously meant for him, that you could be sensory deprived. Yet feel it in your very soul it's true. Is put behind a choice, you have no reason to believe is a choice. It's just kinda.... iffy.

Now again, I'm not asking for a walkthrough or a bat signal in the sky. Nor do I personally need it since I know what's up. But it might be helpful for those who come in. To know that choice really means something despite how it looks.... and yes, I did just write a novela for 1 choice in a game. Hell maybe I should start a VN ......nah.

 

[Kuviragames]

This is the battle of the wall of texts! Love it! You have some daaaaaaamn good points buddy.

Zuni was not planned to be an alternate to ava in the beginning. Actually in the original concept she does only exist as side character that you see just a few times. My "vision" was more a kinetic novel with very few choices. One thing lead to another and poof that is the result.

As strongly as Ava is written in her feelings for the MC. Would that really be the only time she felt brave enough to bring it up?

That is an argument I can't fight. So to make it official.. you won. I will think about a way to end up with Ava on Zuni's path. BUT!!! It won't be as good as the true Ava love path! And I will think about that one choice how to make it better.

I haven't played the updated bits yet

You don't sit on the latest update page pressing F5 waiting for my updates?

The one shown right there on the front page with the MC. The girl who is so obviously meant for him, that you could be sensory deprived. Yet feel it in your very soul it's true. Is put behind a choice, you have no reason to believe is a choice. It's just kinda.... iffy.

Alright stoooooop you killing me and make me feel guilty!

I did just write a novela for 1 choice in a game.

And you can't imagine how thankful I am for that. <3 (Do me a favor and join my discord please and send me a message.)

And not just me.

 

[Joshy92]

Thank you for being here and answering questions for us, Kuvira. I think we all appreciate you talking to us about the game.

 

[Eleanorduval]

Whoops. (I felt bad testing the cheating route )

First thank you so much. I know tl;dr thing but honestly I am a sucker for this. I love it so much it shows how much thoughts and all put in this. And that is something someone else(here me) should not take it for granted. So <3 <3 <3 thank you really.

I think to explain that I have to give you a bit to read too and explain how my brain works and why I do things I do.
I never played a game with a walk trough on my first or second play trough. Because I like to fully immerse myself and the unknown outcome. I don't feel joy knowing I am on the NTR path because I know to 90% what is happening. I want to get there by my choices without really knowing that this is leading to NTR. (NTR is now an example it goes for all routes).
Most games fail at this because the choices are way to obvious.

Like:
A: Tell her to stop
B: Tell her she should get undressed in front of him.

THANKS CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!

But everyone is different and the most people I think like to have a more guided experience. Something I just learned after I posted my game here.

BTS info now.
When I create a scene I think about a lot how it should be. Then I create the most renders for that scene and then I start to write the dialogues while continue rendering. A few devs and players told me that it is waste of time rendering so much first.
But I need to see the characters to find the right words, right emotions, right whatever.
And for that specific choice.. exactly in that situation I felt.. if you wanna be with Ava you would automatically chose text Ava.
Like if that happens in reality to you.. who would you message? If I were in MCs shoes I would immediately call Ava.
And for people that did not like Ava until then I guess the obvious choice would be the choice that avoids Ava.
But this is my quirk and probably a bad design decision from a neutral perspective.

In my honest opinion. I know that I put way to much thoughts in a AVN but I still like to think that I create more than just a fap game. (Let me have this illusion!!!)
I think people nowadays start games with settled mindset already. It has an NTR tag = "I won't play it" or "where is that an NTR game?". Because they automatically expect it to be an heavy NTR where you get cucked as hard as Zeus ass.

Do I think I do everything right and my game is superior? Of course not. I am doing this for a bit over 5 month now I think. It's my first game and I know I do a lot of mistakes, failing in what people want to see and so on. My PC is reaching his limit often so I have to do workarounds to kinda get the results I want even they don't look as good as I wanted. Or not creating scene at all because I know my PC would explode.
But still there are people that like it. <-- This one is happy! (Thank you guys <3.)

Now to your suggestion. I did plan in the next few updates when the Ava NTR path really started to give the option to highlight choices leading to a specific route. Like an in-built walktrough more or less. But I don't know how to do it yet and how exactly I want to do it.

So my tl;dr is.. I think AVNs are more than just a fap game.

P.S Sorry! I like to write walls of text and sorry for native English speaker.

And as a thank you a small free sneak peak for the next update.

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it depend of which game i play! If there is a lot of variant,u can t play it without wt.I like the haircut of ava in the render. All the girls have the same boobs size?

 

[Kuviragames]

it depend of which game i play! If there is a lot of variant,u can t play it without wt.I like the haircut of ava in the render. All the girls have the same boobs size?

I dont measure their boob sizes but Katharina, Ava, Suzi, Lisa tend to have smaller ones. Zoe, Linda, mom bigger ones. And the rest about average. Depending on poses, clothes and camera angle I have to adjust their sizes sometimes and sometimes I forget it.

 

[Kuviragames]

Thank you for being here and answering questions for us, Kuvira. I think we all appreciate you talking to us about the game.

It's my absolute pleasure. <3

 

[Eleanorduval]

It's my absolute pleasure. <3

seem to me u work fast on update unlike some dev

 

[Kuviragames]

seem to me u work fast on update unlike some dev

I love doing that so much that I work on LP everyday.

 

[Eleanorduval]

I love doing that so much that I work on LP everyday.

just by curiousity u are the only coder/progammer in the family,or your bothers too?

 

[Joshy92]

I actually decided I'll romance both Ava & Zoe.

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

This is the battle of the wall of texts! Love it! You have some daaaaaaamn good points buddy.

Zuni was not planned to be an alternate to ava in the beginning. Actually in the original concept she does only exist as side character that you see just a few times. My "vision" was more a kinetic novel with very few choices. One thing lead to another and poof that is the result.


That is an argument I can't fight. So to make it official.. you won. I will think about a way to end up with Ava on Zuni's path. BUT!!! It won't be as good as the true Ava love path! And I will think about that one choice how to make it better.


You don't sit on the latest update page pressing F5 waiting for my updates?


Alright stoooooop you killing me and make me feel guilty!


And you can't imagine how thankful I am for that. <3 (Do me a favor and join my discord please and send me a message.)

And not just me.

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OMGERD! Look ma I'm famous! My years spent making ridiculously long comments finally paid off! See people? If you believe, all your dreams can come true too! I feel like it would be appropriate if I made a ridiculously long acceptance speech but uh... I'm blanking atm. So I'll just go