Ren'Py Lustful Sin [v0.5.4a Patreon] [UnusualFishGame]

[ZZ23]

HolyFish

I misunderstood what Blas said, sorry. I thought what he meant was using mind control would affect the story and lock the player out of an ending.

I think I saw a problem, Ai is the first one you meet so it's obvious you would want to build a relationship with her. But a bit more into the story the MC will meet Gloria and suddenly the "MC is still weak and can't do anything." as well as Ai's role as the helper gets pushed to the side for Gloria.

This is a mistake caused by my (very) bad pacing skill, but the damage is already done and the story has progressed too much after that to go back and fix it. I will keep this in mind and try to keep all characters relevant in the future.

The changing memories thing is just cheap excuse to use mind control and easy sex anyway, the main character building part will be through their quest.

Adding bullies into the games might be difficult since Ai has her groups of friends to protect her, I will need to think of another scenario for the MC to interfere.

Thing is I'm not here trying to rewrite your story or harp on how bad I think it is or not, or what I personally desire. What I'm trying to do is to give you perspective on how to approach writing because this is what it is. You are very passionate about it and doing good work and I think you can do so much better.

That is how you learn to write, you make mistakes and fix them. Yes I do think damage is done but that is not excuse to
not give you absolute best because if your don't correct you missing on opportunity to learn on it and it gets way harder
to correct later because it is gonna affect your writing later since you can't ignore it, since ignoring means doing same mistake again.

If it is cheap excuse and detracts from the story you are trying to tell then it has no reason exists and it is waste of time
that can be put into better things. If I were you I would just straight up delete all those things.

Again that with bullies was just example that you can use even small things like that for such purpose.
It goes to my previous characterization of Lust that he still doesn't understand emotions and doesn't have proper morals
So not only can you get away with it but also use it for narrative purpose it to great effect.

 

[Fazed]

Secondly, it will be ridiculous if using mind control punish the player, in a mind control game.

The changing memories thing is just cheap excuse to use mind control and easy sex anyway

Well, that's essentially what the problem is. This is the reason why those scenes feel pointless and lackluster. There is no consequence nor reason to do it.

Sure it is a mind control game but, to be blunt, in my opinion you have chosen the most boring way to implement it. It doesnt affect anything so it might as well not even be there. It's just not satisfying to do because you get all the reward upfront with no obstacles. It plays no role in the story, It is meaningless. The amount of contextual impact those scenes have within the game is the same as if the player were to rip the animations from the game files and watch them without playing the game at all.

You say it is important to have mind control in the game but as it stands it is completely inconsequential.
How can mind control be the main part of the game...if everything plays out exactly the same, regardless of what the player chooses to do?

The point of a VN is to deliver not just a story but an experience if you will. If you just say "here you go, turn her into a doll and do whatever you want" 10 minutes into the story, then is no pay off. Instant gratification is not how you tell a compelling story. No buildup, no anticipation, no tension. We have zero connection to the girls. They dont even know what is happening.
Whatever relationship building that you say will come later will be diminished because by then the player has already done everything with the girls.
If the player chooses not to do any mind control sex scenes...then it's not a main part of the game anymore is it? You have to find interesting ways to integrate mind control into the game without leaning on it to heavily. I'm not saying it's an easy thing to do because it can easily become an all too convenient crutch that solves every problem the MC has and that is also boring.

That is what I believe a few of us are trying to say. Perhaps the kind of mind control that is in the game at the moment is exciting for you or others but inconsequential plot devices or ones that are an "absolute win button" don't make for good story telling.

One punch man is a gag character/ He defeats anything in one punch. As a result most of the story is about the other characters or what happens before he shows up to the scene and stops whatever monster from destroying the city. He is all powerful but If it was only about him punching things then there would be nothing to show. But on the flip side If he does nothing, then the monster wins. His actions or inactions do impact the plot.
Even with all that though, at some point an enemy that was actually on his level had to be introduced, and it was the best fight in the manga.

 

[BlasKyau]

Well, that's essentially what the problem is. This is the reason why those scenes feel pointless and lackluster. There is no consequence nor reason to do it.

Sure it is a mind control game but, to be blunt, in my opinion you have chosen the most boring way to implement it. It doesnt affect anything so it might as well not even be there. It's just not satisfying to do because you get all the reward upfront with no obstacles. It plays no role in the story, It is meaningless. The amount of contextual impact those scenes have within the game is the same as if the player were to rip the animations from the game files and watch them without playing the game at all.

You say it is important to have mind control in the game but as it stands it is completely inconsequential.
How can mind control be the main part of the game...if everything plays out exactly the same, regardless of what the player chooses to do?

The point of a VN is to deliver not just a story but an experience if you will. If you just say "here you go, turn her into a doll and do whatever you want" 10 minutes into the story, then is no pay off. Instant gratification is not how you tell a compelling story. No buildup, no anticipation, no tension. We have zero connection to the girls. They dont even know what is happening.
Whatever relationship building that you say will come later will be diminished because by then the player has already done everything with the girls.
If the player chooses not to do any mind control sex scenes...then it's not a main part of the game anymore is it? You have to find interesting ways to integrate mind control into the game without leaning on it to heavily. I'm not saying it's an easy thing to do because it can easily become an all too convenient crutch that solves every problem the MC has and that is also boring.

That is what I believe a few of us are trying to say. Perhaps the kind of mind control that is in the game at the moment is exciting for you or others but inconsequential plot devices or ones that are an "absolute win button" don't make for good story telling.

One punch man is a gag character/ He defeats anything in one punch. As a result most of the story is about the other characters or what happens before he shows up to the scene and stops whatever monster from destroying the city. If it was only about him punching things then there would be nothing to show, and even then at some point an enemy that was actually on his level had to be introduced, and it was the best fight in the manga.

Exactly, right now it doesn't matter if you do or don't do the sex scenes (both those that are in the story and those that aren't) because it doesn't seem to affect what happens at all. I personally think that really the way the LIs are reacting, right now it's like everyone is following the path where the MC doesn't touch them at all (I at least find what's happening consistent with my decisions). Also, the way the trance is when the MC talks to the LIs during his hypnosis, the experience must be akin to fucking a rubber doll.

In any case, since I find it incredibly satisfying to say no every time there's a sex scene while the LIs are hypnotized, I'm loving the game.

 

[Skeltom]

it can easily become an all too convenient crutch that solves every problem the MC has and that is also boring.

That's the thing though, it has already become that. From the very start of the game the mind control has been used in every even slightly significant scene so they "just work". That's why I said before that you already know how the scenes are going to play out. To me the mind control is an actual game mechanic or aspect, it's a tool used to make sure everything go just so. The dev has said that mind control is OP and hard to work with but I don't think that's the problem here. It's the over reliance on it that make it OP in this project. The only thing I've seen it do is remove any form of tension, turmoil or sense of achievement.

Whatever relationship building that you say will come later will be diminished because by then the player has already done everything with the girls.

That's not the outcome for me. My sex count is at a whopping zero with every character in the game. It sucks that any kind of actual character progression is just going to be an afterthought to the mind control. It seems like this may be one that I wait until it's finished to where I can do something meaningful... maybe. I say that because the lack of player agency so far doesn't leave me hopeful.

 

[BlasKyau]

That's not the outcome for me. My sex count is at a whopping zero with every character in the game. It sucks that any kind of actual character progression is just going to be an afterthought to the mind control. It seems like this may be one that I wait until it's finished to where I can do something meaningful... maybe. I say that because the lack of player agency so far doesn't leave me hopeful.

Yeah, my MC hasn't had any sex scenes in the whole game either. If it weren't for the fact that what interested me the most in the game is preventing the MC from using mind control to have sex scenes, I would surely be quite unhappy with the MC's progress with the LIs.

 

[Fazed]

That's the thing though, it has already become that. From the very start of the game the mind control has been used in every even slightly significant scene so they "just work". That's why I said before that you already know how the scenes are going to play out. To me the mind control is an actual game mechanic or aspect, it's a tool used to make sure everything go just so. The dev has said that mind control is OP and hard to work with but I don't think that's the problem here. It's the over reliance on it that make it OP in this project. The only thing I've seen it do is remove any form of tension, turmoil or sense of achievement.



That's not the outcome for me. My sex count is at a whopping zero with every character in the game. It sucks that any kind of actual character progression is just going to be an afterthought to the mind control. It seems like this may be one that I wait until it's finished to where I can do something meaningful... maybe. I say that because the lack of player agency so far doesn't leave me hopeful.

Um yes? All of what I said is in context of this general sentiment, if not stated explicitly. I played the game and didnt use any mind control either.

 

[ZZ23]

Perhaps the kind of mind control that is in the game at the moment is exciting for you or others.

I don't know who could find this exciting when I could literally boot up koikatsu and get better mind control and
even there at least you do some talk no justu and get porn delight with all poses and animations.

It is fairly safe that things we talk about is objective.

I said before that mind control like this can be executed but it needs to be narrative driven as to why he does/doesn't
abuse it. And key take away is that you cannot have it both ways since with power like this EVERY action is under microscope.

I don't even know what is satisfyingly in denying MC when you essentially deny him from nothing. He doesn't gain anything from it nor do we, nor does narrative even acknowledges it. Having that option ever present has negative "quantum" effect where MC always did and didn't at the same time. You denied but then next time it pops up like you didn't. it is as if game didn't register you action? Oh wait it didn't.

 

[MarioChief]

This is the only thread for a game like this I've seen with so much complaints with what honestly feels like a standard mechanic. Narratively it makes sense, it allows for some early content, and the dev is promising more nuance later so I don't see what the problem is just wait for a few updates and see if what you want is there, if not this site has plenty other MC games for you to try.
I've done each option once just to see and most the interactions are somewhat interesting (some more than others). Also those of you who say you've never used it how do you know you don't like it?

 

[BlasKyau]

I don't know who could find this exciting when I could literally boot up koikatsu and get better mind control and
even there at least you do some talk no justu and get porn delight with all poses and animations.

It is fairly safe that things we talk about is objective.

I said before that mind control like this can be executed but it needs to be narrative driven as to why he does/doesn't
abuse it. And key take away is that you cannot have it both ways since with power like this EVERY action is under microscope.

I don't even know what is satisfyingly in denying MC when you essentially deny him from nothing. He doesn't gain anything from it nor do we, nor does narrative even acknowledges it. Having that option ever present has negative "quantum" effect where MC always did and didn't at the same time. You denied but then next time it pops up like you didn't. it is as if game didn't register you action? Oh wait it didn't.

I like being the one to say no to mind control sex scenes, so I don't mind that they keep popping up all the time.

 

[ZZ23]

This is the only thread for a game like this I've seen with so much complaints with what honestly feels like a standard mechanic. Narratively it makes sense, it allows for some early content, and the dev is promising more nuance later so I don't see what the problem is just wait for a few updates and see if what you want is there, if not this site has plenty other MC games for you to try.
I've done each option once just to see and most the interactions are somewhat interesting (some more than others). Also those of you who say you've never used it how do you know you don't like it?

Which standard mechanic are you talking about? If you are going to talk about only thread for game that has seen so much complains about it then you need to be clear about what you are talking about. We talked about quite of few things.

I will assume here you are talking about mind control. People made quite a lot of points here in that regard so instead of giving us blanket statement like "it is standard" and "Narratively it makes sense" why not explain what is standard about it how it makes sense narratively.

 

[Skeltom]

Which standard mechanic are you talking about? If you are going to talk about only thread for game that has seen so much complains about it then you need to be clear about what you are talking about. We talked about quite of few things.

I will assume here you are talking about mind control. People made quite a lot of points here in that regard so instead of giving us blanket statement like "it is standard" and "Narratively it makes sense" why not explain what is standard about it how it makes sense narratively.

I'm not too sure what they were trying to say either. They must be talking about the mind control because they said it makes for some early scenes. But what gets me is they said they tried both options and interactions? What options and interactions have this player been in control of? It sounds like they played a completely different game than I did.

I'll assume the narrative they speak of is the MC needing life force to , well, live. I don't think it's ever even stated that he needs sex to live to how does it make any narrative sense. He has been made Lust so the mind control can be used for easy lewds. I was also under the impression that the narrative was him trying to get his memories back and find out what happened. I guess in that case it is "good" for the narrative because he uses it to get what he needs. That paired with his out of place invisibility he has an easy solution for whatever situation comes up. Though still not a mechanic.

 

[MarioChief]

Which standard mechanic are you talking about? If you are going to talk about only thread for game that has seen so much complains about it then you need to be clear about what you are talking about. We talked about quite of few things.

I will assume here you are talking about mind control. People made quite a lot of points here in that regard so instead of giving us blanket statement like "it is standard" and "Narratively it makes sense" why not explain what is standard about it how it makes sense narratively.

I'm not too sure what they were trying to say either. They must be talking about the mind control because they said it makes for some early scenes. But what gets me is they said they tried both options and interactions? What options and interactions have this player been in control of? It sounds like they played a completely different game than I did.

I'll assume the narrative they speak of is the MC needing life force to , well, live. I don't think it's ever even stated that he needs sex to live to how does it make any narrative sense. He has been made Lust so the mind control can be used for easy lewds. I was also under the impression that the narrative was him trying to get his memories back and find out what happened. I guess in that case it is "good" for the narrative because he uses it to get what he needs. That paired with his out of place invisibility he has an easy solution for whatever situation comes up. Though still not a mechanic.

I'll try to be more specific; I've seen more complaints about the mind control mechanics in a mind control game in this thread than any other, I've played a number of games with instant or near-intant control so I see it as a pretty standard feature, how long it lasts in universe usually varies; the options exist in how you use the optional control between types of control (unnoticed, pet-play, normal, and doll), what they're wearing while under, and the acts performed, sometimes during the sex acts you get options (the Eri with Rin scenes in particular); and by narratively, yes I mean the energy, usually after finishing a sex scene you are given the option to drain some of the girl's energy.

 

[ZZ23]

MarioChief

We discussed it to death at this point, Issue is that it is not mechanic at all it is just scene player and has no baring on the story, Lust doesn't even have to fuck them to drain energy nor is there some energy meter. Game nor character even register that it
even happened and MC doesn't even have motive to do it. Culprit of all of it is not mind control per se but memory wiping.

We do the scene and we all collectively suffer amnesia. None of it would be an issue if story was written coherently but dev
wanted to have scene where he rapes them but also pretend as if nothing happened and move along with different story.
I hope I don't have to explain why this is problematic.

Mind control needs to executed well to be fun, just having some limited scenes with characters we have no connection with
and it doesn't impact anything is not enough. Mind control is about power trip and if we all get memory wiped and scenes don't have hot set up to accommodated that trip then what is the point ? If I'm choosing to fuck their brains out then don't make
MC in next scene be different person who seem that he wouldn't do that. Power trip ruined.

 

[BlasKyau]

I'll try to be more specific; I've seen more complaints about the mind control mechanics in a mind control game in this thread than any other, I've played a number of games with instant or near-intant control so I see it as a pretty standard feature, how long it lasts in universe usually varies; the options exist in how you use the optional control between types of control (unnoticed, pet-play, normal, and doll), what they're wearing while under, and the acts performed, sometimes during the sex acts you get options (the Eri with Rin scenes in particular); and by narratively, yes I mean the energy, usually after finishing a sex scene you are given the option to drain some of the girl's energy.

All the scenes I've seen are more or less the same: Use mind control for something (get information, or whatever), ask if I want sex scene, say no, ask if I want him to feed by touching head or chest, choose head, feed and end scene. I think the game usually also asks if I want the MC to feed or not, but I'm not sure about this part right now.

 

[SusferRein]

there is a bug when you can't leave in Hana House, no option to leave like in the Alice House

Update : nvm you must click Call Hana first lol, this condition is troubling lol

 

[HolyFish]

there is a bug when you can't leave in Hana House, no option to leave like in the Alice House

Update : nvm you must click Call Hana first lol, this condition is troubling lol

Noted, thank you.

 

[SusferRein]

I Have suggetion to add more content in future
This game has lot a potential like :
1. The girl, how many time you drain them or sex with them become corrupt
2. Story of main character still not been answering because memory lost will open the route become evil or good
hopefully we can decide our own MC to become, like become evil
3. Need more content where the girl become personality changes or corrupted ,
or maybe heroine changes the way she dresses because personality changes
4. Need more content of possession maybe, i know the MC is a most mind control based power,
only Violet have possession ability only
5. Maybe horror content but this is optional, the antagonist not been answered

i know is a bit time consumed to developed but i hope you add more like this
Good Luck On Your Development

 

[Papa Black Hawk]

I Like this Game very mutch

 

[zapper4]

i think doll mode is the same animations.
so no new update?

 

[kurosx]

HolyFish

First meeting with Olivia:



The name should be either Olivia or Head maid, not Gloria.