Zesterian

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I've played the public version now and it's awesome, I'm just confused on whether to pay to get the premium version. For the highest tier version it seems to be 25 dollars a *month* subscription fee?
I'd pay 25 dollars one time but 25 a month to keep getting updates? There's no world where the game is worth that much money, just to play for 3 months I'd be paying 75 USD?


Maybe I'm missing something but having a serious WTF moment trying to figure out how a game like this could be priced so astronomically high as to charge 25 a month for updates to a game. Can't be happening in this reality..
 
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JaxMan

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I've played the public version now and it's awesome, I'm just confused on whether to pay to get the premium version. For the highest tier version it seems to be 25 dollars a *month* subscription fee?
I'd pay 25 dollars one time but 25 a month to keep getting updates? There's no world where the game is worth that much money, just to play for 3 months I'd be paying 75 USD?


Maybe I'm missing something but having a serious WTF moment trying to figure out how a game like this could be priced so astronomically high as to charge 25 a month for updates to a game. Can't be happening in this reality..
You have to look at paying that much this way: Those people aren't paying for the game, they are paying for the development of the game. They also aren't paying for updates, those are basically free if you wait for public release and they act as a quasi-QC playtesting the game to find issues and bugs. They do get some benefits that aren't available to everyone else, but I think that those people like to feel a part of the development and like what the dev is doing. Plus, they have enough money that it doesn't effect their life style to spend that much a month to support a creator.
 
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Zesterian

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You have to look at paying that much this way: Those people aren't paying for the game, they are paying for the development of the game. They also aren't paying for updates, those are basically free if you wait for public release and they act as a quasi-QC playtesting the game to find issues and bugs. They do get some benefits that aren't available to everyone else, but I think that those people like to feel a part of the development and like what the dev is doing. Plus, they have enough money that it doesn't effect their life style to spend that much a month to support a creator.
That's nice and all but you're still talking about spending 25 a month to subscribe to a game.
But the way you're wording it is if I spend the 25 dollars and get the latest version, I can update it with the public release and continue playing with the premium stuff?
My understanding would be I would only be keeping the premium things if I continued to pay 25 a month for the game which would be patently insane.

I don't even have to pay 10 dollars a month for a Runescape subscription, 25 a month to a game would be daylight highway robbery with complimentary unlubed sodomy.
But yeah if it's 25 dollars one time then sure no problem.
 

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That's nice and all but you're still talking about spending 25 a month to subscribe to a game.
But the way you're wording it is if I spend the 25 dollars and get the latest version, I can update it with the public release and continue playing with the premium stuff?
My understanding would be I would only be keeping the premium things if I continued to pay 25 a month for the game which would be patently insane.

I don't even have to pay 10 dollars a month for a Runescape subscription, 25 a month to a game would be daylight highway robbery with complimentary unlubed sodomy.
But yeah if it's 25 dollars one time then sure no problem.
Retaining benefits is a bit of a complicated issue.

As I understand it, anything from the premium versions you have in a given save (unique slaves, weapons, quest lines etc.) you retain if you drop your subscription and change to the free versions, but only for that given run. If you ever start a new run, either just to try something new or because a previous save was wiped or incompatible (although the dev does at least try to maintain compatibility between versions) then the new save does not retain any access to your old subscriber benefits if it was created on the free version.

As an aside, I feel like your value for money framing for trying to understand tier benefits is never going to be able to be reconciled with the reality of it. The benefits themselves are not meant to be 'worth' the money paid for them, the value in contributing to the games development is that the game continues to be made, incentives have always been there just as a thank you to those who decide to open their wallet, or as an incentive for those inclined but otherwise on the fence.
If it helps, think of it like contributing to a some type of community drive or charity event, no one really gives a shit if the cakes are overpriced or the raffle prizes are a little underwhelming, the money is meant to be focused on the cause, anything else you get back is meant to be a side benefit at best.
Or if the charitable framing is a bit on the off-putting for a commercial product, think of it like a business giving you a free pen with your purchase, no one is expecting you to make the purchase (supporting the games continued development) for the free pen (the tier benefits) but it is meant to be a nice courtesy aside from the thing you actually doing.

So yeah, actually subscribing like all support of early access games is very much a luxury purchase, to be made when you have the kind of disposable income that throwing money at people who are making games that interest you just to ensure they get made doesn't sound like a colossal waste.
If that doesn't feel like a viable or rational purchase in your situation you can just wait for the rather substantial free updates with the rest of us.
 

khumak

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That's nice and all but you're still talking about spending 25 a month to subscribe to a game.
But the way you're wording it is if I spend the 25 dollars and get the latest version, I can update it with the public release and continue playing with the premium stuff?
My understanding would be I would only be keeping the premium things if I continued to pay 25 a month for the game which would be patently insane.

I don't even have to pay 10 dollars a month for a Runescape subscription, 25 a month to a game would be daylight highway robbery with complimentary unlubed sodomy.
But yeah if it's 25 dollars one time then sure no problem.
It kind of depends on how you're looking at it, and this is not specific to this particular game but to pretty much every game you'll find on Patreon.

For a finished game, you could buy it for a 1 time fee on Steam or whatever other platform the dev makes it available for sale on (or even do a 1 month Patreon sub, download the finished game, and then cancel). From that standpoint I agree that the Patreon model is not a very good value to the customer.

For a game that's still in development though what you're really paying for is to support a dev who's work you presumably like and get access to alpha/beta versions of the game that you can play LONG before the final release that you would see on Steam or whatever. Many/most devs also give Patreon supporters access to polls, feedback, etc where they can have at least some influence over the development of the game before it's done.

You'll pay more for that than buying it on Steam, but if you want early access or just want to support a dev who might not have any finished games yet then you might consider that worthwhile. For a game that takes potentially multiple years to develop though, you get access to play that game as it's developed years before someone who bought it on Steam would.

Personally, I prefer to just buy the finished game on Steam but I can see why some would prefer the subscription model for early access.
 

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That's nice and all but you're still talking about spending 25 a month to subscribe to a game.
But the way you're wording it is if I spend the 25 dollars and get the latest version, I can update it with the public release and continue playing with the premium stuff?
My understanding would be I would only be keeping the premium things if I continued to pay 25 a month for the game which would be patently insane.

I don't even have to pay 10 dollars a month for a Runescape subscription, 25 a month to a game would be daylight highway robbery with complimentary unlubed sodomy.
But yeah if it's 25 dollars one time then sure no problem.
No I wasn't saying that if you spend the $25 to get the most current version you can update it with the public release. I was saying if you don't want to spend $25 dollars for the next version being worked on you could just wait until the public version is released. It has all the same features, except the special tier benefits for the subscribers, which includes extra character creation options and a couple quests. I think those will be included when the final version of the game is released. I could be wrong, though.

From what you posted I see that what you value and what someone else values is different. Neither is bad or incorrect. To some there is value in what they are spending monthly, to you there isn't/wouldn't be. Personally, I see no value in paying $900+ dollars on a new cell phone. I know people that are fine with paying that. While it isn't within your means or desire to spend that money, if nobody did it the game would probably not be developed.

So, I'm not really sure of what point you are trying to make except to express your personal view that it isn't worth it to you to spend the money. Which is nice that you want us to know this, but I doubt anything will likely change because of that.
 

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So... there was a block of code that you could paste into the console to give you immediate access to any girl's stats.
All you had to do was change the name in the block of text.

I don't suppose anybody knows where that is, do they? I had the post bookmarked, but somehow that has vanished, and there's hundreds of pages of posts in this thread.
 
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So... there was a block of code that you could paste into the console to give you immediate access to any girl's stats.
All you had to do was change the name in the block of text.

I don't suppose anybody knows where that is, do they? I had the post bookmarked, but somehow that has vanished, and there's hundreds of pages of posts in this thread.
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So, I'm not really sure of what point you are trying to make except to express your personal view that it isn't worth it to you to spend the money. Which is nice that you want us to know this, but I doubt anything will likely change because of that.
When forum commenters can't answer or even see a question clearly because of their weird emotional complex around not admitting that the pay/donate structure for this game is... unusual, shall we say
 

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I had an idea: why not give a path that's being a leader of a revolutionary force, forcibly combining the feudal like kingdoms and eventually conquering the planet
 
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J007ss

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Is there a cheat mod for this game? If not, how can I modify the cash? It's hard to make money.:cry::cry::cry:
 

Zesterian

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No I wasn't saying that if you spend the $25 to get the most current version you can update it with the public release. I was saying if you don't want to spend $25 dollars for the next version being worked on you could just wait until the public version is released. It has all the same features, except the special tier benefits for the subscribers, which includes extra character creation options and a couple quests. I think those will be included when the final version of the game is released. I could be wrong, though.

From what you posted I see that what you value and what someone else values is different. Neither is bad or incorrect. To some there is value in what they are spending monthly, to you there isn't/wouldn't be. Personally, I see no value in paying $900+ dollars on a new cell phone. I know people that are fine with paying that. While it isn't within your means or desire to spend that money, if nobody did it the game would probably not be developed.

So, I'm not really sure of what point you are trying to make except to express your personal view that it isn't worth it to you to spend the money. Which is nice that you want us to know this, but I doubt anything will likely change because of that.
I feel called out since I just spent 1 grand on the S24 + haha!
And I hear all your points and the other guys points. It does boil down somewhat to "if you can afford it then support the developer" but I can still really only see "downloadable content locked behind 25 dollar a month paywall subscription" and maybe that's on me but it's genuinely all I can see.
To me it's not a matter of affordability but value. Give me a 25 dollar 1 time payment to unlock the content and ask for 5 dollars a month to support the developer no problem.
Instead its pay 25 dollars and also keep paying 25 dollars to keep the thing you paid 25 dollars for, the thing I'd only pay 25 dollars for TO support the developer because it's not worth that much on its own. It just feels so filthy to me. This is the second game so far I've found on this website I'd be willing to support and I just can't get my noggin around the exorbitant price of doing so.


I just might not be cut out for it. If it was just about supporting the developer than the 5 dollar a month subscription should include all of the DLC, the meat and potatoes of what people are paying for. And the people who want to toss in another 20 dollars a month at the dev to keep the game funded can do so without that being required for actual game content. Because at the end of the day its still game content locked behind a 25 dollar a month paywall. And that's just not okay. Few would even pay 25 a month for Elder Scrolls 6 or GTA 6.
 

rugburn

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So anyone know of the hidden location for Valerie's quest? I checked every single location on the map. Is it inside a building?
 

JaxMan

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So anyone know of the hidden location for Valerie's quest? I checked every single location on the map. Is it inside a building?
I can't say exactly where it is since I am not in game, but it is one area to left of your house then up one area to the hunting location. It isn't highlighted so you have to move your cursor over locations, like for the two build locations in Redhaven. Hope that helps.
 

JaxMan

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When forum commenters can't answer or even see a question clearly because of their weird emotional complex around not admitting that the pay/donate structure for this game is... unusual, shall we say
This is a weird response to a partial post. Nowhere did I make any judgement as to the developer's tier payment system. My responses was wholly focused on why some people would subscribe at the $25+ level.

Bottom line is that this is a pirate site and you can download anything here without paying money. Whether a tier payment system is "unusual" is subjective and I have no opinion on that either way.
 

uterus

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i played this game before but for some reason i cant figure out how to start a party and invite my contacts.
iam ca. 50 days in and i want to react to the letter from bud walton (ive done his quest).
iam probably missing something obvious.
 
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