Yes when I wrote depravity I mean corruption. Sorry about that. There seems to be corruption thresholds on bondage actions so I don't think whipping a girl that has 0 in corruption works no matter how good your skill is (all failures). For me the needed level seemed to be 10+ but I haven't checked the code or anything.
The start of the character was hunter family and I embraced it. Then border wars. Then I chose Nerd (that I have not used at all on this character) and two other perks that I can't remember (I didn't take notes). But I know it was nothing that increased charm or manipulate. One might have been brainy cause the intelligence and willpower is not bad on this character even though I haven't tried to raise it at all. Then I chose the two bondage perks as his starting sexual perks.
Then I got the girls happiness up to neutral by asking them how they are doing and how I can help with their issues. Doing what they want there (day off, visit to maket etc.) is an easy way to get an unhappy character up to neutral. I also compliment them and encourage every day. Failing it has no consequenses and if you are lucky it increases affection and if you compliment intelligence it also increases kindness. Then I took them to the cinema until their affection were at about friendly. At that point Rebecca actually started accepting baths (even though her defiance was at arrogant and my charm was terrible) and I was able to seduce her and she accepted doing oral. Then at a point later I did bondage with her (as proclaimed punishment) and she got so horny by being whipped that her corruption went up to 35ish just from the whipping. Aria was a lot easier because my charm was better at that point but basically the same thing. Cinema until they like me a bit. Also upgraded bath then so talking to them when they bathe with you gives affection. I don't try to manipulate much at all. I did combat with them so their respect were around good? 20-30ish.
They don't get more rebellious by failing normal charm attempts. Like compliments. Or asking to join bath casually. The bad behaviour starts when you try harder stuff like pushing them for sex and you fail that Or by being manipulative and failing it Then they get angry and it is then you get escape chances etc. They can be arrogant without it having any negative effects.
I think my first bondage with any of them was proclaim punishment but as I got rid of all the defiance in that first one I only did bondage with them when they accepted it in a casual request after. I don't try to push it by demanding it because that will increase their anger.
you might be right about the Corruption thresholds. [Been a while since tried a Flag-> Corrupt, but possible that might be an issue. ] 10+? I've had some keep dropping [ver problems?] so bad that they'd drop faster than I could raise them! [what's the opposite of a Nerf?]
There's [Literally!] so many factors, that it's quite difficult getting everything to work! [worked last run, but not THIS run..... (?)]
When you add in changes from multiple versions [BTW, speaking of which, what Ver did your run start on?]
Not sure why, But I've had better luck---w similar stats---Getting Bond. to work, & less luck W Flag.
Seriously though, it's hard to compare apples to apples. [closer would be apples to Oranges! lol]
Nerd---INTEL---impacts a whole bunch of stuff---training, books, etc. (hence 1 of things mentioned Ashes run)
I'd need to try it on a new hi WP char---but, isn't "Asking" 1 of those many things, that FAILURE make worse?
IDK why, but complimenting Intel, seem especially prone to failure. [like 3/4 failures! (& u can only do it 1x per day)
Since I found out how important it was, try to do it a lot.
Hunting----did you do a lot of combat, or, how did you make your $$$?
1 problem I've had---more than once--there's a very limited time window for events [movies R ex] & it's easy to miss, if you're out & busy.
luck plays a part too! I've had *LOW* Def # [like 5%] try to escape on me! It doesn't take much.
The "affection w Bath" thing is actually a *CHARM* roll, ----which of course, often fails if low charm etc.
More often than not, only found bath helpful for lower WP [which you say isn't important]
Aria (FEMINIST!) + (?) [need to ck traits] more than 1 I think that make BSDM hard---& more likely, FAIL, -> they hate you. The "P Punish" thing helps you get -> TO BDSM w/o penalty, but doesn't help corrut or Flag/Bond success.
Anything special w those? [yes I've had BDSM scores in 70+,
that still failed a *LOT*, Aria was case in point. ]
This run:
Bond: 46
Flag: 26
Will B hard to get even Bond up to 75+ [like you had it] w/o books, & low Intel means books won't help much. (I think already tried some)
[INTEL was 1 of the 3 very important stats IMHO on Ashes run]
W/o the low WP, you need a lot of stats just right for it to work.
How did you get your Flag # up to 79? Books? M Devious course? [don't think hunting did it! LOL]
The few times I had #'s up that high, planned @ start. [just like you did]
W/o that benefit... Nearly impossible I think.
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I did combat with them so their respect were around good? 20-30ish."----That's actually a *LOT* of combat! [harder to get anything past 20]
--->>> Should help a *LOT I think too! [*R* =30, ~ = to +30 CHARM!]
So, did you wait do do Bath/BDSM/sex/etc until *R* >30?
Given all my other problems, & low stats [includes BDSM stats----if those poor, much harder to Corrupt]
HIGH RESPECT is maybe my best option left.
Takes quite a while though.
Got Reb @ start,
JUST NOW, took ~ 70+ days, to get her to 30 Respect!
[anything past 20, is "Random/LUCK"; I've had many many combats where nobody Inc respect at all.]
Worst "problem" girl, is @ 21 *R*; [she refuses to do anything yet]
I can do the "Pro Punish" thing w her, but, [low BSDM scores] turns her OFF, more often than not. she hates it like normal
Don't have Aria yet, but if this holds, mean need to wait *70* + days, *AFTER* get her, to do anything?
-->>> Sidenote: It's *MUCH* much QUICKER, to drop WP, & *THEN* raise affection/happy/love etc. [vs, *R* in say, 40's...]
