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JGreen90

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I can't seem to find an answer for this anywhere, but was there a reason you can't have two people assigned to the morning blowjob thing anymore? I remember some time ago, you could have two people do it at the same time. You can assign it to two people now, but it just seems like it randomly alternates between which of the two blows the MC in the morning.
I had it, accidentally, you can assign it. It roll Dakota recently assigned for a week before it went back to the other one. She is rendered and all of a sudden no render. I thought I lost affection. No. Two assigned. One does it. It would be nice if you had two lesbians assigned. But not out currently. I am unclear on the bed person showing or working with the morning BJ. Morning BJ gives willpower, it also boosts her affection, complimenting, and oral skill. You can also make them lose willpower by humiliate. Or happiness on breakfast.
 

JGreen90

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Again, we are not talking about Oathsworn or God's Chosen. We are talking about a normal Aesir conversion with 130 Devotion for +11 Damage on all attacks.

+11 Damage stacks up with the +20 Damage from Master of War, +20 from Stryker Implant powerstrike, and Deadly Strike chance for +20(?) all stack up. A completely random testing here has me (172 damage) beating the Bofors Gun (it's in HULC armor sprite because of a fixed exploit that allowed me to put HULC armor on it).

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That's why I want the Kymanto girls to have fixed traits, so Lovisa starting with Brawler or Rebecca starting with Workaholic will not be possible. You would have to train it if you want it.

If she did her deeds with a gun, why would she come with Brawler? You want a hardcoded Brawler? Enya was a gladiator.

I do not know the reason why it was removed, but it was removed when the household was expanded from only 8 NPCs available in the house, to 96 (now 128).

He's asking for the morning blowjobs of 0.8.2.3 and earlier, where two girls will blow you at the same time.
Rebecca was the original arena before Enya was even around. They should have much better hardcoding. I agree.

The damage is next to pointless. You can crit anyway. Catholic gives a boost by making a daily donation to crits. It also gives it for every other roll. 1500 a day.

Two girls only blow on lesbian stuff. Not on morning BJ? Or do they currently? They didn't with Dakota, and Astrid my game. It showed Dakota only then changed to Astrid no additional dialogue? I hadn't trained lesbian with either.
 

JGreen90

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Sofia in the abbey decreases ATTN whore to zero, but it doesn't remove it. She still suffers from its affects. Seriously? It's beyond irrational. The other traits the abbey was supposed to remove are bratty and materialistic, it has given the pure trait but it hasn't removed the other horrible traits. Bothered. It is training the passive skills, discipline, intelligence and domestic etc. But it's supposed to get rid of the crap. Nope not ATTN whore it killed instantly, it makes no difference.
 

Clemency

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The damage is next to pointless. You can crit anyway.
I already accounted for the crit (+20 iirc), which can be triggered by 5% or by Deadly Strike. To you, the extra damage is pointless. Different ways to play.
Sofia in the abbey decreases ATTN whore to zero, but it doesn't remove it. She still suffers from its affects. Seriously? It's beyond irrational.
The Abbey will not remove Attention Whore. The main way to remove it from Sofia is to Neuraclean her, which will nuke most of her traits.

Or do you mean her Materialistic trait is not going down and you believe it's because of Attention Whore? The way you type, it's hard to understand.
Two girls only blow on lesbian stuff. Not on morning BJ? Or do they currently?
Back before 0.8.3, you can assign a max of two girls on morning blowjobs and they will both do it at the same time. Not anymore, not since 0.8.3. That's all it is.
 
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JGreen90

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I already accounted for the crit (+20 iirc), which can be triggered by 5% or by Deadly Strike. To you, the extra damage is pointless. Different ways to play.

The Abbey will not remove Attention Whore. The main way to remove it from Sofia is to Neuraclean her, which will nuke most of her traits.

Or do you mean her Materialistic trait is not going down and you believe it's because of Attention Whore? The way you type, it's hard to understand.

Back before 0.8.3, you can assign a max of two girls on morning blowjobs and they will both do it at the same time. Not anymore, not since 0.8.3. That's all it is.
The Abbey is supposed to remove traits otherwise why the fuck have it? Why the fuck would I decrease attention whore and not remove it. The same as bratty and materialistic.

My writing is not hard to understand. The game is autistic. What is the point of having an Abbey. Teaching pure if you're a catholic? It doesn't get rid of the negative traits. No. Sofia suffers as big a daily drop to affection as if it was on 100 or 0. meanwhile the same as any others like bratty or materialistic, etc. It's fucking redundant. At least it trains a few things quicker like discipline to 60 and intelligence domestic and academics. But it's fucking stupid. It makes no difference having ATTN whore on 0 or at 100, the same crap occurs. No I am not mindwiping them. There's an Abbey it said it removed negative stuff like if you put your daughter in a nunnery. But Oh no she's as bratty a materialistic attention whore as prior to being cloistered. What? More autism.
 
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Clemency

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The Abbey is supposed to remove traits otherwise why the fuck have it? Why the fuck would I decrease attention whore and not remove it. The same as bratty and materialistic.

My writing is not hard to understand. The game is autistic. What is the point of having an Abbey.
The point of the Abbey is that it does what its tooltip (i) says it does and that people roleplay around it, like being able to fuck nuns-in-training. The Abbey tooltip says it decreases Bratty and Materialistic trait values down to 0 which removes it. It does not say anything about removing Attention-Whore. It removes negative traits, but only the ones it clearly states it does. The only mass-trait remover in the game is Neuraclean.

Now if your NPCs' Bratty and Materialistic traits are not going down in value from 100/100 over many days, that's a bug. It's unintended behavior and you can report it so Grim can check it. Otherwise, if the problem is purely Attention-Whore, there's nothing that can be done about the Abbey because it was never meant to remove it. You can argue about it not being lore-friendly if you want, but that's it.

The Abbey also has settings. You can see here below that you can turn off the settings for Pure trait gain, or for automatic Catholic conversion. You can also see here that the Abbey has a bonus to how much it increases the chance to train the stats of a girl (up to intended Abbey caps of course) depending on your standing with the Catholic Church (first bonus is 25% at 30 standing, second is 50% at 60 standing) which makes it a faster Discipline stat gain to 100 if you are looking for purely gameplay benefits. Also note that turning off Virtuous Herald, like the Abbey tooltip says, removes the Administration stat gain.

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Silver1315

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Someone should do the calculations for min-max tavern again, see if something changed. Because the old min-max one just goes four bouncers + Clea/Doyle to max the Tavern income with gambling on and max reputation, outside of prostitution.

Yeah, Grim capped the +modifiers for Beauty down to +100 last year, so 145 is the highest a random can go now. But 145 isn't technically the max Beauty, because children take the base beauty of the mother and can add up to 25 for themselves from RNG and having the Attractive trait (also an RNG roll).

You train it in or train it away, because this is a trainer game. I have been a proponent of making the Kymanto girls fixed traits so people no longer feel compelled to reroll and Grim can make sure each girl has the traits that matches their personality and story completely. That means no Perfectionist or Workaholic by default on anyone but Amelia Stark and Valeria Helm in Kymanto Hall. I should bring it up again in discord.

I don't know the calculations, but I was doing some testing last night on the Tavern. I had one Bartender (Doyle), 6 Performers (trying to gain Prestige) and one Bouncer. I kept wondering why my Tavern income wasn't increasing, so started paying attention to the intervals each day, because I wasn't carousing in the Tavern like I did on an older playthrough. What I noticed was that it kept alternating between increasing by a few points, but then dropping or barely moving the next day. Rinse, repeat. So I took a Performer out and put a Bouncer in; and it's been steadily increasing passively again with no input on my part. It does seem like Bouncers still give more "weight" to the calculation. It also doesn't help that Charisma/Performance are basically "soft locked" a lot more than Strength/Melee which is much more easily trained over time, and some preset randoms can come with decent strength/melee out the gate; like Cassius (even after it appears his potential max starting stats got hit, same as Black Scorpion it appears).

Man, though; I agree about having the Kymanto girls having strict preset traits. I was messing around doing rerolls one time, and saw some jank combinations in the past. Had Brawler on Lovisa at one point, and think I even had Daddy Issues/Workaholic/Perfectionist roll a few times on Rebecca. Think I may have seen a Nymphomaniac trait roll once on one of them, but I could be mistaken. Honestly, I think the strict trait with no deviation rule could be applied to more girls you get through quests etc., like with Aisha/Tori etc. Unless something has changed recently, I know they used to be able to roll random traits, and I once saw Tori spawn with Daddy Issues; which does *not* fit her personality at all.
 

JGreen90

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The point of the Abbey is that it does what its tooltip (i) says it does and that people roleplay around it, like being able to fuck nuns-in-training. The Abbey tooltip says it decreases Bratty and Materialistic trait values down to 0 which removes it. It does not say anything about removing Attention-Whore. It removes negative traits, but only the ones it clearly states it does. The only mass-trait remover in the game is Neuraclean.

Now if your NPCs' Bratty and Materialistic traits are not going down in value from 100/100 over many days, that's a bug. It's unintended behavior and you can report it so Grim can check it. Otherwise, if the problem is purely Attention-Whore, there's nothing that can be done about the Abbey because it was never meant to remove it. You can argue about it not being lore-friendly if you want, but that's it.

The Abbey also has settings. You can see here below that you can turn off the settings for Pure trait gain, or for automatic Catholic conversion. You can also see here that the Abbey has a bonus to how much it increases the chance to train the stats of a girl (up to intended Abbey caps of course) depending on your standing with the Catholic Church (first bonus is 25% at 30 standing, second is 50% at 60 standing) which makes it a faster Discipline stat gain to 100 if you are looking for purely gameplay benefits. Also note that turning off Virtuous Herald, like the Abbey tooltip says, removes the Administration stat gain.

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My Catholic Standing is Order of the Virtuous Herald. I know what the Abbey does.

The point instead of autism. It doesn't get rid of negative stats like every other convent providing piety. No. It simply trains other stats in continued and willful depravity. So miss materialistic bratty attention whore simply becomes even more deviant. We sent her there to gain piety, and instead she's graduated a deviant. This is what the Abbey does. The pure trait is a lie, she's still a bratty materialistic attention whore. All it did was take the tuition fees.
 
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The Abbey is supposed to remove traits otherwise why the fuck have it? Why the fuck would I decrease attention whore and not remove it. The same as bratty and materialistic.

My writing is not hard to understand. The game is autistic. What is the point of having an Abbey. Teaching pure if you're a catholic? It doesn't get rid of the negative traits. No. Sofia suffers as big a daily drop to affection as if it was on 100 or 0. meanwhile the same as any others like bratty or materialistic, etc. It's fucking redundant. At least it trains a few things quicker like discipline to 60 and intelligence domestic and academics. But it's fucking stupid. It makes no difference having ATTN whore on 0 or at 100, the same crap occurs. No I am not mindwiping them. There's an Abbey it said it removed negative stuff like if you put your daughter in a nunnery. But Oh no she's as bratty a materialistic attention whore as prior to being cloistered. What? More autism.
>"My writing is not hard to understand".

The way you use punctation actually makes your posts very confusing to read...
 

JGreen90

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>"My writing is not hard to understand".

The way you use punctation actually makes your posts very confusing to read...
So? The point being. Why do we have an Abbey if an attention whore in nun training is still an attention whore. Putting Sofia in an Abbey and gaining a pure trait is nonsensical. Autistic. My writing has nothing to do with that. This game has a layer of autism. A pure attention whore? Or a pure, pacifist, brawler? On Lovisa it is possible to roll that combo. Or a high sex skilled vanilla trait, Rosita. It isn't my writing at fault.
 

Clemency

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So I took a Performer out and put a Bouncer in; and it's been steadily increasing passively again with no input on my part. It does seem like Bouncers still give more "weight" to the calculation. It also doesn't help that Charisma/Performance are basically "soft locked" a lot more than Strength/Melee
Based on how it was explained to me, you want to minimize chaos. Chaos means things get broken and fights start in the tavern. It's not something you deal with directly, but something hidden the tavern does. Performers mean chaos, bouncers mean less chaos. Pretty girls singing and dancing mean a more rowdy chaotic bar. Bouncers waiting to kick you out means a less rowdy bar.

For now though, I mostly use the Tavern as a way to gain Extroverted trait, optionally remove Shy trait, or gain Prestige for my girls, which means I go for Performers.
Why do we have an Abbey if an attention whore in nun training is still an attention whore. Putting Sofia in an Abbey and gaining a pure trait is nonsensical.
So, it's not a gameplay mechanic problem, but a lore problem. You want the convent to remove this trait because it makes sense to you that it would, but it doesn't. In that case, take up lore discussions with Grim instead of yelling "autism" at everything that does not follow your idea of how it should work.

And no, nuns are not a monolith. You can have a Pure + Attention-Whore nun-in-training in real life and in the game. Sofia wants your attention and also she wants to go to church and be a good Catholic. That can both be true. You can have a nymphomaniac who still prays, goes to Church, and purges her impure thoughts at night.
Or a high sex skilled vanilla trait, Rosita.
It's already been explained in the previous page twice, but I guess you seem to think her high sexual experience, born out of dire need, simply means she must be a slut and therefore not vanilla. But she is vanilla. Her sexual experience was forcibly introduced to her, not something she sought out. That is why she is jaded. In a perfect world for her, she would be a good Christian girl.
It isn't my writing at fault.
Your writing is genuinely hard to understand.
 

a3on

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Someone should do the calculations for min-max tavern again, see if something changed. Because the old min-max one just goes four bouncers + Clea/Doyle to max the Tavern income with gambling on and max reputation, outside of prostitution.
in the process of doing exactly that. rolled a 177 INT stormchild (and maxed charisma). (on paper,) should be able to top any of the barkeeper bonus characters in base competence.

not sure how to proceed yet. should i just go with no rep? lol. currently training extrovert on my stormy, and gathering potential hoes on the side. already have candidate for regular workers (maid and performers), but still need to train charisma.
 

Silver1315

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any way to increase the rebels power value fast?, i am giving them coil weapons but it is really slow
any way to increase the rebels power value fast?, i am giving them coil weapons but it is really slow
Donating Swords and Rifles would probably be better than donating Coilguns from a cost/reward analysis unless something has changed. Try those instead of Coilguns. There are also some Political events that will increase their power value, but it's never going to be reliable or time efficient to rely on them.
 
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Uncle Bob

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Completely off topic, but since its part of the current conversation...

The word "autism" has been thrown around a lot in the past few days. As I read the context, its supposed to be a synonym for randomness, lack of logic and such. Now autism comes in many shapes, but inconsistency is usually not part of the package. Quite the opposite. Many suffering from autism takes logical thinking to the extreme, and the degree of chaos that is part of real life makes them uncomfortable.

Just trying to be helpful, so future use of slurs better fit the intended point.
 

Chakas

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Any way or mod that decrease the age you can start sex event with npcs? Kinda weird in lore sub18 get fucked all the time but not by the player.

Also, why males can't get fucked?

The sex interactions are lacking even regarding text only interactions
 

DrLizardman

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Any way or mod that decrease the age you can start sex event with npcs? Kinda weird in lore sub18 get fucked all the time but not by the player.

Also, why males can't get fucked?

The sex interactions are lacking even regarding text only interactions
Would probably need a mod for that which I doubt you could find here if it exist. There is no in-game way to do that as Grim would actually like to make money and not be banned. Same way you cant "hang" with both Tori and Lovisa.
 

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Would probably need a mod for that which I doubt you could find here if it exist. There is no in-game way to do that as Grim would actually like to make money and not be banned. Same way you cant "hang" with both Tori and Lovisa.
Multiple versions of the game have had mods that would allow that... and several times the next version of the game has broken the mod. It appears to me that the dev is very deliberately suppressing that kind of content.
I agree that in-universe it would be entirely reasonable, but the developer has to operate in our universe. Our universe, sadly, has a lot of nonsensical laws and regulations.
 
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a3on

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Is there a variable for anal plugs?
it should be
Code:
nightblock=xx
1/2/3 for size
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SugarCube.State.variables.npc.av20.nightblock=3
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^ will force Loren (av20) to equip the goliath. (size 3 plug)

mind you that i'm not sure if it's enough (for whatever the plug effects are to kick in). the setter for plugs are private(?) variables and i have no idea how to touch those with console.

i'm not even sure if it's actually called a private variables :KEK:
 
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