You have a point here. But, as I usually build my first workshop at day 2 (regular start, grimdark, dying world), with the generous help of the bank, I have a good source of income very early and far before I can get a good food source
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1. known issue, should be fixed next patch
2. hmm thats strange i dunno about that one , but Grim is gunna overhaul the offspring engine at some point relatively soon in upcoming times, its higher up on the list
3. i dunno if this one is known or not but ill tell Grim for u
Tired of telling them "we've got degenerates at home!", eh?
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anyone knows why i cannot enter atticus's house while attempting the prowler of the depths quest?
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The fastest workshop foreman you can prepare for manufacturing duties. She starts with a lower intelligence baseline than Luckie most of the time, but with consistent vanilla sex, the Stormchild can get to 120 faster than Luckie.
In addition to Forewoman and Nanny, if you lucked in the trait department and got a Workaholic or Perfectionist, she makes an excellent Slave Mistress.
Also a good Accountant with Workaholic, if you don't want Armand.
I think the benefit for the workshop caps at 80 though. Luckie is guaranteed more than that. I sometimes pick up Stormchild with less than 70, though she's easy to train higher.
Once I read here "There are not right or wrong way to play Masters of Raana. As far as you enjoy and are able to pay the taxes at the start of the day, it´s fine" and lots of thumbs up, hearths and smiles in the reaction line. And for me at least, this line have been the philosophy of the game and one of it´s mains appeals. Well, seem that the one who wrote this deep sentence forgot to add a coda "as far as you become a fighting machine, with you and your main combat team with good-like stats and completely maxed, because if this it not the case, after expending some hundred hours of your time, you are going to be kicked out".
I´m furious beyond words. Furious to the point to be a click away to delete the game and then clean the recycle bin. But hey, I have invested a lot of time in this game, and things c an be mended, so let´s talk a bit first.
What I´m talking about? I´m talking about the Dengi invasion, that, in my opinion and how have been implemented so far, it´s a big betrayal to the philosophy of the game.
So let´s tell the whole story.
The story starts with my fat-ass slavist. Master slavist, two steps of merchant, two steps of academic, and pathologically adverse to physical training. But hey, not a combat slouch by any means, as 800 combats under his belt can give proof. Aria, Clea, Trulls and Cassius are my front line squad. All with two implants, all (but Clea), in Hulk Armour, Trulls and Cassius in his high 140-low 150 with his axes, Clea with 120-130 in ranged/melee amd myself and Aria abowe 100 in ranged, all of them trained to 60+ in medicine. I have been able to defeat all the enemies with no big problems except for some really bad dice streaks that are solved with one save-and- reload, and this bad dice streaks have not been ever "Group defeated" but " one killed".
So far, life it´s good then. I have put Aria as Chancellor, defeat the Mordecainist armoured counter coup at Procoms and deal with the Dengi raid. And then I realized that I must adjust the time of the Dengi invasion, the major event of this update. Fine. Story-wise can make sense treat the Dengi raid that I have just defeated not as a raid, but as a probe or as a recon party, so I put the start of the invasion at +30 days, and proceed to go with life as usual, assisting to the academy, dealing with the daily bounties (but just 5+, or if you tell me where they are, for minor business call the local cops) raising Ikaanos prosperity and Ikaanos control, banging my slaves and fine tuning my household, living the life of a proper First Lord of Ikaanos. Things are fine in Ikaanos. Prosperity at 40´s, control in the 80 and both raising thanks to the Press office and my spreading of food to the poors....
And then, the chain of events of the invasion starts. And I have a bit of "bad omens" on my head. After all, in one of the combats of the Dengi Raid, Aria went down in a bad run of 3 strikes again her. Fine, I have finished all the training books, so I´m going to train a bit, just to have some margin and if some went down, he went down and didn´t die. I have time enough to put some 20+ stamina points under my (and Aria) belt and raising Clea, Trulls and Cassius stamina to 120, gaining also a score of hits. And every day, in the morning, I go to talk with Aria, to see if she have something to say about the invasion. But she remain silent, staring to the roof.
And then, the invasion proper starts. The text stats the Dengi forces in the low 5000´s, the Skyguard in the high 4000´s and two ways to end it. One it´s to kill the Dengi king, other to bring the Dengi forces down to 50. First aproach, go to the big boss and kill him. The fast way. So I raise my banner, bring my finest combat team and let´s see of what material are done this Dengis boys.
First impresion, from Kassey Park to Darkmere, are not so bad. They have a lot of hits, they hit hard, at a 6th to 7th bounty level, but they have basic tactics so the damage it´s spread among my team, and that´s nothing that some Tenditstim between combats and the ocasional point of will for my self can not solve. Well, I have 250 Tendistims and 67 of willpower, so no big deal. Then, I take the ferry to Hamma bay and clean Hamma Market. Harder, beyond lvl 7th bounty, but some expenditure of combat Tendistims and no serious problems. Backfang Valley more or less the same, I clean 3 of the groups and then go for the last one, the beast swarm, that seems the hardest nut to crack. And I get defeated, 3 deaths. Ok. May be some bad luck. Reload, and I win the combat. But with two deaths, one down and the one that remains standing holding by the skin of his teeth. Clearly that´s not the way. They are not the final boss and if in the path to fight him I lose two of my best fighters, when I get to him I´m going to be wipped out by sure.
Well, the fast way don´t work. No need to panic. We must grind them down slowly. Very Grimdark-eske. Surely it´s going to be a hard and long fight, may be a balanced one where the MC dealing with 10-20 raiders per day can tip the balance. A long run, not an sprint. We must keep an eye in the expense of will points on healing, we can not expend Wega canisters as if they were candy. Surely we will have a lot of events that will wear down the prosperity and control of Ikaanos in order to fill the ranks of the army. An attrition war. Do as much as we can to keep control and prosperity high, because the war it´s going to pass a bill on them...
And then, I start to play the long game. Looking for some ways to improve the combat capabilities of my team, I see that Master tactician it´s not so far away, just 12 points on my ranged skill. Train on this subject. Clea don´t cut the mustard, she is great against oponents with high armour and not so high hp, so I replace her with with the former foreman of the steel mine (100 ST and 100 Range, so he can wield properly my second minigun) and hulk him and fully implant him. And every day go to the field, kill a score of rascals, watch the events and go to talk with Aria, to see if she reacts in any way...
And then, Seneca strikes with a projectil. 50 Dengi die. And I open my journal and have a look at the numbers. The dengi are still in the low 5000 and the Skyguard it´s in the low 4000´s. Wait a minute!!! LOW 4000´s? They were in the HIGH 4000´s just a few days ago. So I make a save, open my notepad and start a routine of new day-see the events-take note of the numbers-Talk to Aria to see if she have nothing to say about.
To make the long story short, in 28 days we go from Dengi 5220-Skiguard 4020 to game over, with the Dengi still in 4300 strong. Other that a couple of missile strikes of the Seneca (50 dengi less) no events related to the invasion. Aria? Looking at the ceiling with a stare that makes a not-so-smart cow look like a Nobel Price. And my last ditch attempt, with the Master tactician under my belt, while was good enough to pass the Beast Swarm, was years light away to have any chance of hurting the Dengi´s king.
Notice that I´m NOT complaining about being unable to defeat the Dengi King. That´s perfectly fine, I have not trained like a psycho, and If Grimdark wants to put something that it´s a challenge for the most extreme gung-ho players, that´s fine.
I have expend 270 hour raising Aria Academic to 80 and Administrative to 100. Enough to make 130 training sessions. Bismark with tits, I call her, but now she is completely inactive, showing the same brain power as an artichoke, doing nothing.
We have an army of cannibals menacing to destroy Ikaanos.
Where is the Republic decree of "levee en masse"? The "We take a loan to raise a company or tanks"? The "Honey, Can you spare to me a million and a thousand rifles to give a nice 1000$ flat bonus and weapons to anyone who joim the ranks?"
I have no Strengh or Dextry to talk about, But I have maxed Charm and Manipulation..
Where is the chance to strike deals with the different factions of Ikaanos? Not for free, of course, they can ask for a slice of power in return-. The Two moons church have 950 fighters, The Mosque 650, Kimantos 460, Scandi 460, Cyker House 1250, The underlworld, close to 12000.
And all of them are holding hands waiting to be converted in meat in a Dengi soup cauldron? Makes THIS any sense?
I only can hope that the Dengi invasion, as is NOW, it´s just an unfinished project with half a side to be worked about.
I´m furious beyond words. Furious to the point to be a click away to delete the game and then clean the recycle bin. But hey, I have invested a lot of time in this game, and things c an be mended, so let´s talk a bit first.
What I´m talking about? I´m talking about the Dengi invasion, that, in my opinion and how have been implemented so far, it´s a big betrayal to the philosophy of the game.
So let´s tell the whole story.
The story starts with my fat-ass slavist. Master slavist, two steps of merchant, two steps of academic, and pathologically adverse to physical training. But hey, not a combat slouch by any means, as 800 combats under his belt can give proof. Aria, Clea, Trulls and Cassius are my front line squad. All with two implants, all (but Clea), in Hulk Armour, Trulls and Cassius in his high 140-low 150 with his axes, Clea with 120-130 in ranged/melee amd myself and Aria abowe 100 in ranged, all of them trained to 60+ in medicine. I have been able to defeat all the enemies with no big problems except for some really bad dice streaks that are solved with one save-and- reload, and this bad dice streaks have not been ever "Group defeated" but " one killed".
So far, life it´s good then. I have put Aria as Chancellor, defeat the Mordecainist armoured counter coup at Procoms and deal with the Dengi raid. And then I realized that I must adjust the time of the Dengi invasion, the major event of this update. Fine. Story-wise can make sense treat the Dengi raid that I have just defeated not as a raid, but as a probe or as a recon party, so I put the start of the invasion at +30 days, and proceed to go with life as usual, assisting to the academy, dealing with the daily bounties (but just 5+, or if you tell me where they are, for minor business call the local cops) raising Ikaanos prosperity and Ikaanos control, banging my slaves and fine tuning my household, living the life of a proper First Lord of Ikaanos. Things are fine in Ikaanos. Prosperity at 40´s, control in the 80 and both raising thanks to the Press office and my spreading of food to the poors....
And then, the chain of events of the invasion starts. And I have a bit of "bad omens" on my head. After all, in one of the combats of the Dengi Raid, Aria went down in a bad run of 3 strikes again her. Fine, I have finished all the training books, so I´m going to train a bit, just to have some margin and if some went down, he went down and didn´t die. I have time enough to put some 20+ stamina points under my (and Aria) belt and raising Clea, Trulls and Cassius stamina to 120, gaining also a score of hits. And every day, in the morning, I go to talk with Aria, to see if she have something to say about the invasion. But she remain silent, staring to the roof.
And then, the invasion proper starts. The text stats the Dengi forces in the low 5000´s, the Skyguard in the high 4000´s and two ways to end it. One it´s to kill the Dengi king, other to bring the Dengi forces down to 50. First aproach, go to the big boss and kill him. The fast way. So I raise my banner, bring my finest combat team and let´s see of what material are done this Dengis boys.
First impresion, from Kassey Park to Darkmere, are not so bad. They have a lot of hits, they hit hard, at a 6th to 7th bounty level, but they have basic tactics so the damage it´s spread among my team, and that´s nothing that some Tenditstim between combats and the ocasional point of will for my self can not solve. Well, I have 250 Tendistims and 67 of willpower, so no big deal. Then, I take the ferry to Hamma bay and clean Hamma Market. Harder, beyond lvl 7th bounty, but some expenditure of combat Tendistims and no serious problems. Backfang Valley more or less the same, I clean 3 of the groups and then go for the last one, the beast swarm, that seems the hardest nut to crack. And I get defeated, 3 deaths. Ok. May be some bad luck. Reload, and I win the combat. But with two deaths, one down and the one that remains standing holding by the skin of his teeth. Clearly that´s not the way. They are not the final boss and if in the path to fight him I lose two of my best fighters, when I get to him I´m going to be wipped out by sure.
Well, the fast way don´t work. No need to panic. We must grind them down slowly. Very Grimdark-eske. Surely it´s going to be a hard and long fight, may be a balanced one where the MC dealing with 10-20 raiders per day can tip the balance. A long run, not an sprint. We must keep an eye in the expense of will points on healing, we can not expend Wega canisters as if they were candy. Surely we will have a lot of events that will wear down the prosperity and control of Ikaanos in order to fill the ranks of the army. An attrition war. Do as much as we can to keep control and prosperity high, because the war it´s going to pass a bill on them...
And then, I start to play the long game. Looking for some ways to improve the combat capabilities of my team, I see that Master tactician it´s not so far away, just 12 points on my ranged skill. Train on this subject. Clea don´t cut the mustard, she is great against oponents with high armour and not so high hp, so I replace her with with the former foreman of the steel mine (100 ST and 100 Range, so he can wield properly my second minigun) and hulk him and fully implant him. And every day go to the field, kill a score of rascals, watch the events and go to talk with Aria, to see if she reacts in any way...
And then, Seneca strikes with a projectil. 50 Dengi die. And I open my journal and have a look at the numbers. The dengi are still in the low 5000 and the Skyguard it´s in the low 4000´s. Wait a minute!!! LOW 4000´s? They were in the HIGH 4000´s just a few days ago. So I make a save, open my notepad and start a routine of new day-see the events-take note of the numbers-Talk to Aria to see if she have nothing to say about.
To make the long story short, in 28 days we go from Dengi 5220-Skiguard 4020 to game over, with the Dengi still in 4300 strong. Other that a couple of missile strikes of the Seneca (50 dengi less) no events related to the invasion. Aria? Looking at the ceiling with a stare that makes a not-so-smart cow look like a Nobel Price. And my last ditch attempt, with the Master tactician under my belt, while was good enough to pass the Beast Swarm, was years light away to have any chance of hurting the Dengi´s king.
Notice that I´m NOT complaining about being unable to defeat the Dengi King. That´s perfectly fine, I have not trained like a psycho, and If Grimdark wants to put something that it´s a challenge for the most extreme gung-ho players, that´s fine.
But give me an alternative path!!.
I have expend 270 hour raising Aria Academic to 80 and Administrative to 100. Enough to make 130 training sessions. Bismark with tits, I call her, but now she is completely inactive, showing the same brain power as an artichoke, doing nothing.
We have an army of cannibals menacing to destroy Ikaanos.
Aux Armes, citoyens!
Formez vos Bataillons!
Marchons, marchons!!!
Formez vos Bataillons!
Marchons, marchons!!!
Where is the Republic decree of "levee en masse"? The "We take a loan to raise a company or tanks"? The "Honey, Can you spare to me a million and a thousand rifles to give a nice 1000$ flat bonus and weapons to anyone who joim the ranks?"
I have no Strengh or Dextry to talk about, But I have maxed Charm and Manipulation..
Where is the chance to strike deals with the different factions of Ikaanos? Not for free, of course, they can ask for a slice of power in return-. The Two moons church have 950 fighters, The Mosque 650, Kimantos 460, Scandi 460, Cyker House 1250, The underlworld, close to 12000.
And all of them are holding hands waiting to be converted in meat in a Dengi soup cauldron? Makes THIS any sense?
I only can hope that the Dengi invasion, as is NOW, it´s just an unfinished project with half a side to be worked about.
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I am not sure because I haven’t played the invasion but I think the changelog mentioned that if you give a shit ton of money and guns to the sky guard in the fort, the sky guard can wipe them out.
Bravo! *standing ovations... clapping hands*
Going trough Dengis I was missing some chance to "poison their well" (like we can do with the Hulk) - some evil trick to level a bit the horde. I found none. On the other hand I wondered a bit the behavior of those super soldiers, since I had expected them to be all over Ikaanos at once. No such thing either; like good scouts they seemed to have their jamboree behind the city-walls, so once I found them I could more or less choose the time to start my big campaign and also withdraw to rest and regroup.
Having these kinds of thoughts, I agree with you. Something might still be missing - or I was just too eager to start killing to notice some important thing or another.
Technically you are quite right.
But some gross maths shows me that I will need to expend 350 to 400 days playing and doing nothing but pouring money and weapons in the Sky Guard in order to boost it enough so they would be able to deal with the Dengi invasion.
Not exactly my idea of what is fun, mind you....
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I can confirm that the Dengi invasion will get some additional attention in 084 - like extra dialogues and more offensive measures from other great houses, as well as optional ways of interfering them.
The MAIN reason Ikaanos fell in your playthrough, however, is that you chose to unleash the horde during a *very* weak period in the newly founded Third republic's history. 4,000 rebels-turned-Skyguard are an easy match for 5,000 dengis. I'd recommend having at least 10,000 Skyguard troops behind the walls unless you plan on killing the king yourself.
Correct me if I understand you wrong. You are telling me that I need either turn myself in a killing machine and be able to defeat the Dengi King by myself or the alternative it´s play let´s say some hundreds (or thousands) of days doing basically nothing.
Because barring mass recruitment events ( and I have seen none at the moment, and I have seen some that bring down the Sky Guard number by hundreds), with the Republic in Pax Raanica ( before the invasion I was with Control in the high 80s, and going up), the only increase in strength for the Sky Guard it´s the trifle of slaves that I can send to them from the daily bounties, may be one and half or two per day on average.
Not an exciting perspective, really.
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