Ren'Py Completed Midnight Paradise [v1.0f Extra] [Lewdlab]

[Synnerai]

The main problem imo is, the lack of connection between the story and the "household" characters. The result is that there is too many disconnected characters, and they don't get enough spotlight and character development. If we are constantly switching between so many character we get no progress and also half of them will always disappear from the game for long periods. You have all those disconnected characters that don't know each other and it's extremely disjointed. Where is the aunt for example? I can't even remember her name. Where is Elianna? Also, why do dad and the brother have so few screentime if they are supposed to be important to the story?

If I was to work on this, I would scrap half of the characters. I myself wouldn't make an incest game, but if I really had to, I would probably scrap dad and have a strict mother that softens by MC's influence. She would give her sons the same challenge. MC would try to win her over and get upper hand on his brother. The antagonist would be the brother who would have much more screentime and would use mother's company resources for nefarious goals. He might be making drugs, that could be connected to sex or whatever, since it's a porn game. MC would have to expose and or fight him or steal his accomplisments. The method would have been a choice by this point, but I don't know if it would have been necessary.

Anyway, as I said, Joyce would have started as strict and disappointed at MC, but he would slowly win her over and soften her. She would slowly find her motherly love and also her sex appeal. She burried both because she had to to lead the company without a support of a husband who was dead or something (father's fate wouldn't matter). She would slowly develop from a strict boss into more of a motherly loving caretaker. Not all the way, but she would be much softer towards the MC and his friends.

I would leave Isabela as supportive older sister who would initially be the only one having MC's back. She would comfort him at first instead of Joyce, but Joyce would act similarly after warming up to MC. She wouldn't want to participate in the competition, but would be the first one of MC's allies. I would morph Ruby and Elianna into 1 character as well as the aunt and Tanya. Aunt would be skilled in intrigue and would want to manipulate MC to help her steal his brother's work and make everything, includin the MC, hers. Maybe she would be helping the brother initially but betrayed him. So he would have to defend himself from her and make her submit instead. And the childhood friend/younger sister would combine Ruby's and Elianna's relationship, which is almost the same imo. Both of them really liked MC before he left them and neglected them, so they felt betrayed and now they look for ways to reconnect. I would leave that like that, but only for 1 combined character. Maybe she would have been MC's cousin, so she would also have much bigger connection to the Aunt which would pose a dilemma. Would she side with the cousin she loved but he left her or with her mom, who is acting shady?

I would save the maid, Ms. Jane, Melissa and other minor characters for next game. I almost forgot about the old douchebag, well, I would have used him as someone influencing the brother, or "fake" villain who at first would look like he was the one pulling strings, but would be brother's puppet instead. Or just brother's ally, so he is not surrounded by faceless lackies. Maybe I would have left Ms. Jane, Melissa or someone as brother's assistant whom he has a crush on and we would be able to steal her from him. But my goal was to reduce the characters and interconnect them more.

Also, I would add much more hugging, kissing and overall intimate endearing moments with LIs since I would have much more time for it. There's never enough hugs.

It's a much simpler story, but I think a much more narrow storyin a porn VN it would have been much more digestable flow and pacing.

If anyone of you read this wall of text, thank you for attention. I am curious if anyone thinks the same.

 

[Casikaz]

So basically just make DoD without the magic powers and by changing narratives of couple characters.


That being said, I understand why Lewdlab wanted to go totally different path with this game. The only thing was, that he should've stayed in that original "not a household game"-plan, and run with it so it would've been way easier for him. Now after that main narrative change, this game just highlights his lack of creativity as a storywriter. It's obvious he kind of ran out of juice with creativity already in the end of DoD too, and now it's even more obvious when the characters and relationships are left feeling empty, there is no background why MC wants to bang his household members, there is no logic in girls falling for MC just breathing the same air as them, the main story is a bit of a mess and there is the same corruption theme as in DoD...the amount of characters wouldn't be a problem neither with a skilled writer, because the skilled writer would be able to fit them all in to the story with no problems.

That being said I don't want anyone to get me wrong, Lewdlab is amazing artist with his renders, animations and even with his creativity in sex scenes, but it's just the story writing that needs to be improved a lot for his next project, which would mean him probably hiring individual writer for his team. With this game it's kind of useless anymore to try to fix the story too much since we are getting close to the ending, so just by slight improvements for the rest of the updates in story writing this game could be raised to be a solid 3/5 game.

 

[alecblue1994]

Does anyone have a separate pc 0.12 save for the ex and one for the bf? I played on android but replaced my phone so havent got a save that I can use.

 

[gankme3]

Can someone please post a save with all the new 0.13 scenes? ty

 

[Siriustalent]

Hold on im very confused with what they added in 0.13, was it just booty calls?

 

[Casikaz]

Hold on im very confused with what they added in 0.13, was it just booty calls?

Yes, 0.13 was a side feature update.

 

[Siriustalent]

Yes, 0.13 was a side feature update.

okay good just making sure i didnt miss anything, thank you

 

[MrFriendly]

The main problem imo is, the lack of connection between the story and the "household" characters. The result is that there is too many disconnected characters, and they don't get enough spotlight and character development. If we are constantly switching between so many character we get no progress and also half of them will always disappear from the game for long periods. You have all those disconnected characters that don't know each other and it's extremely disjointed. Where is the aunt for example? I can't even remember her name. Where is Elianna? Also, why do dad and the brother have so few screentime if they are supposed to be important to the story?

If I was to work on this, I would scrap half of the characters. I myself wouldn't make an incest game, but if I really had to, I would probably scrap dad and have a strict mother that softens by MC's influence. She would give her sons the same challenge. MC would try to win her over and get upper hand on his brother. The antagonist would be the brother who would have much more screentime and would use mother's company resources for nefarious goals. He might be making drugs, that could be connected to sex or whatever, since it's a porn game. MC would have to expose and or fight him or steal his accomplisments. The method would have been a choice by this point, but I don't know if it would have been necessary.

Anyway, as I said, Joyce would have started as strict and disappointed at MC, but he would slowly win her over and soften her. She would slowly find her motherly love and also her sex appeal. She burried both because she had to to lead the company without a support of a husband who was dead or something (father's fate wouldn't matter). She would slowly develop from a strict boss into more of a motherly loving caretaker. Not all the way, but she would be much softer towards the MC and his friends.

I would leave Isabela as supportive older sister who would initially be the only one having MC's back. She would comfort him at first instead of Joyce, but Joyce would act similarly after warming up to MC. She wouldn't want to participate in the competition, but would be the first one of MC's allies. I would morph Ruby and Elianna into 1 character as well as the aunt and Tanya. Aunt would be skilled in intrigue and would want to manipulate MC to help her steal his brother's work and make everything, includin the MC, hers. Maybe she would be helping the brother initially but betrayed him. So he would have to defend himself from her and make her submit instead. And the childhood friend/younger sister would combine Ruby's and Elianna's relationship, which is almost the same imo. Both of them really liked MC before he left them and neglected them, so they felt betrayed and now they look for ways to reconnect. I would leave that like that, but only for 1 combined character. Maybe she would have been MC's cousin, so she would also have much bigger connection to the Aunt which would pose a dilemma. Would she side with the cousin she loved but he left her or with her mom, who is acting shady?

I would save the maid, Ms. Jane, Melissa and other minor characters for next game. I almost forgot about the old douchebag, well, I would have used him as someone influencing the brother, or "fake" villain who at first would look like he was the one pulling strings, but would be brother's puppet instead. Or just brother's ally, so he is not surrounded by faceless lackies. Maybe I would have left Ms. Jane, Melissa or someone as brother's assistant whom he has a crush on and we would be able to steal her from him. But my goal was to reduce the characters and interconnect them more.

Also, I would add much more hugging, kissing and overall intimate endearing moments with LIs since I would have much more time for it. There's never enough hugs.

It's a much simpler story, but I think a much more narrow storyin a porn VN it would have been much more digestable flow and pacing.

If anyone of you read this wall of text, thank you for attention. I am curious if anyone thinks the same.

So basically just make DoD without the magic powers and by changing narratives of couple characters.


That being said, I understand why Lewdlab wanted to go totally different path with this game. The only thing was, that he should've stayed in that original "not a household game"-plan, and run with it so it would've been way easier for him. Now after that main narrative change, this game just highlights his lack of creativity as a storywriter. It's obvious he kind of ran out of juice with creativity already in the end of DoD too, and now it's even more obvious when the characters and relationships are left feeling empty, there is no background why MC wants to bang his household members, there is no logic in girls falling for MC just breathing the same air as them, the main story is a bit of a mess and there is the same corruption theme as in DoD...the amount of characters wouldn't be a problem neither with a skilled writer, because the skilled writer would be able to fit them all in to the story with no problems.

That being said I don't want anyone to get me wrong, Lewdlab is amazing artist with his renders, animations and even with his creativity in sex scenes, but it's just the story writing that needs to be improved a lot for his next project, which would mean him probably hiring individual writer for his team. With this game it's kind of useless anymore to try to fix the story too much since we are getting close to the ending, so just by slight improvements for the rest of the updates in story writing this game could be raised to be a solid 3/5 game.

Well, I look forward to playing your games in a few years. I'm not even saying that to be snide (too much anyway since I am an asshole) but also because that is often how creativity starts... With dissatisfaction at how someone else did it. You think you can write a better story or not even better but a story that you'd find more interesting then I would love to see you do it. The more well-written, thought out, and interesting stories we see the more the community wins.

As for this game... It is one that feels a bit derailed in terms of plot. I realize it is a porn game but I would like to see more of the plot and less of the porn (I'm weird that way).

 

[Casikaz]

You think you can write a better story or not even better but a story that you'd find more interesting then I would love to see you do it. The more well-written, thought out, and interesting stories we see the more the community wins.

So the classic "if you can't do it better, you are not allowed to criticize", huh?

Jk, I can't do it better that I'm sure of, but I would like to see Lewdlab do it better because he would have all the tools in this game that he needs to make it great. Either he is holding off on purpose or then he just hasn't figured out yet, how to deal with this.

I would like to see more of the plot and less of the porn (I'm weird that way).

And this I agree 100% with you.

 

[MrFriendly]

So the classic "if you can't do it better, you are not allowed to criticize", huh?

Jk, I can't do it better that I'm sure of, but I would like to see Lewdlab do it better because he would have all the tools in this game that he needs to make it great. Either he is holding off on purpose or then he just hasn't figured out yet, how to deal with this.

And this I agree 100% with you.

Nah, I wouldn't mean it that way... I was trying to figure how to say it to try and not come off that way... Thing is I find that there are less and less games that appeal to me out there. I know I am a cliché when I say I want a story that entertains me and hot women to keep me entertained. But that's how I feel these days. Keep me coming back with a solidly written plot which doesn't take forever to move forward and include some hot sex. I know that LL can do that but I also feel like most people just want porn so that is what ends up being the focus while the plot sits idle.

I want to see the romance evolve with the childhood best friend (or ex-girlfriend if people chose her), I want to see the evolution of the relationships of all of the characters, but I also want to know more about the drug, more about the experiment the father is running (on the family?), etc...Last few updates have been about trying to fuck Joyce or playing with the teacher...

 

[Jstforme]

I also want to know more about the drug, more about the experiment the father is running (on the family?)

This right here...I've been waiting for that part of the story to develop. Surly the drug he's selling is involved in the whole thing too, hopefully it'll all start tying together soon.

 

[Casikaz]

Nah, I wouldn't mean it that way... I was trying to figure how to say it to try and not come off that way... Thing is I find that there are less and less games that appeal to me out there. I know I am a cliché when I say I want a story that entertains me and hot women to keep me entertained. But that's how I feel these days. Keep me coming back with a solidly written plot which doesn't take forever to move forward and include some hot sex. I know that LL can do that but I also feel like most people just want porn so that is what ends up being the focus while the plot sits idle.

I want to see the romance evolve with the childhood best friend (or ex-girlfriend if people chose her), I want to see the evolution of the relationships of all of the characters, but I also want to know more about the drug, more about the experiment the father is running (on the family?), etc...Last few updates have been about trying to fuck Joyce or playing with the teacher...

I couldn't agree with you any more, this right here is 100% pure fact. I mean, I think it's pretty clear that most people would just want this game to be a fuckfest instead of a good storyline, "because it's a porngame!!!", so I think that the demands of getting to fuck every girl asap have gotten to LL a little bit in these last couple of updates, which is why it's now good that he takes a break and thinks through how he wants to proceed from now on with it. The plot definitely needs more meat around its bones, so in my opinion LL should put fucking the girls to the side for a update or two again and concentrate to the plot and building relationships, no matter how one part of the community would tear their assholes up because of it. There will always be people complaining about something, like the lack of sex, lack of depth for the plot or lack of whatever we can come up with, but then there is still always more pleased supporters that just decide to be silent about it, because their opinion would just drown under all the complaining or then they would get attacked for liking it.

 

[Synnerai]

I couldn't agree with you any more, this right here is 100% pure fact. I mean, I think it's pretty clear that most people would just want this game to be a fuckfest instead of a good storyline, "because it's a porngame!!!", so I think that the demands of getting to fuck every girl asap have gotten to LL a little bit in these last couple of updates, which is why it's now good that he takes a break and thinks through how he wants to proceed from now on with it. The plot definitely needs more meat around its bones, so in my opinion LL should put fucking the girls to the side for a update or two again and concentrate to the plot and building relationships, no matter how one part of the community would tear their assholes up because of it. There will always be people complaining about something, like the lack of sex, lack of depth for the plot or lack of whatever we can come up with, but then there is still always more pleased supporters that just decide to be silent about it, because their opinion would just drown under all the complaining or then they would get attacked for liking it.

My opinion on this is, that,
It's ok if you get to fuck some of the main girls early, Philly has that in both games he made, but those games put bigger emphasis on story and use sex as a way to get intimate with the girls who are involved in the story, not something that drives the story forward. I take it that sex is not the "endgame", sex is one of the ways to get closer to the characters and feel more intimate and connected to them.
It's also ok if you advance relationships slowly, but you have to focus more on the main characters and also make the pacing right. You can't have a rollercoaster. I know that irl relationship don't have a steady curve, but this is a story which should have a pacing that doesn't bore you or doesn't feel rushed. LL probably did a good decision to take a pause, think things through and continue later. I wish him succeeding in that endevour and I hope we can all enjoy it more than we have already. I sure did, but I also think that it could have been done better in the regards I just criticized.

 

[Synnerai]

Well, I look forward to playing your games in a few years. I'm not even saying that to be snide (too much anyway since I am an asshole) but also because that is often how creativity starts... With dissatisfaction at how someone else did it. You think you can write a better story or not even better but a story that you'd find more interesting then I would love to see you do it. The more well-written, thought out, and interesting stories we see the more the community wins.

As for this game... It is one that feels a bit derailed in terms of plot. I realize it is a porn game but I would like to see more of the plot and less of the porn (I'm weird that way).

I am working on a VN, actually, writing it right now. It's not porn, though, it's a dark fantasy story. And despite what I said, there is a lot of characters and a complicated story with mythology, metaphysics and long history. But characters are strongly connected to the story, the MC and each other. I wanted to make a porn game at first, but as it got bigger and more complicated, it would loose it's charm if it was a porn game. Too complicated for porn. And it would feel kinda cheap and forced. So there will be romance, even nudity and sex, but on a level of Witcher 2 and 3, at max. Not gonna make a fuckfest card collector like in Witcher 1. xD I am now working on a shorter story from the same universe on which I test my limits and try everything out. Learning Ren'py and things like that.
Gotta start small, not take on a huge undertaking and realising I bit off too much. I am drawing the characters myself. I used to draw regularly, but it has been years since, hence more reason to start small. But if I decided to write and draw a porn game, it would have a story structured like "my" version of MP. Without incest, though.

 

[wh1ter0se]

Well, I look forward to playing your games in a few years. I'm not even saying that to be snide (too much anyway since I am an asshole) but also because that is often how creativity starts... With dissatisfaction at how someone else did it. You think you can write a better story or not even better but a story that you'd find more interesting then I would love to see you do it. The more well-written, thought out, and interesting stories we see the more the community wins.

As for this game... It is one that feels a bit derailed in terms of plot. I realize it is a porn game but I would like to see more of the plot and less of the porn (I'm weird that way).

Oh so you watch the porn for the story too? You and I and other people have a lot in common. I also skip the sex in porn videos .



Although I agree, more dissatisfied people = more people trying it out themselves --> more games. This is win-win and optimistic situation ladies and gentlemen.

 

[starlord99]

Hey, does anybody know what song is being played when you start the game in the main menu? I really like it and it kind of reminds me of something but I can't figure.

 

[Casikaz]

Hey, does anybody know what song is being played when you start the game in the main menu? I really like it and it kind of reminds me of something but I can't figure.

80s by StudioKolomna.

 

[Drinkolvi]

Hello,
I can't for some reason trigger the Ruby scenes at the warehouse. Did I do some critical mistakes with my choices or is it a bug?

 

[Casikaz]

Hello,
I can't for some reason trigger the Ruby scenes at the warehouse. Did I do some critical mistakes with my choices or is it a bug?

So the scenes won't trigger at all? Every scene in the warehouse is time-dependent, so make sure you are there at the right time of the day and that going to warehouse is the first thing you do during that time of the day. If it still won't trigger those scenes, then it is a bug.

 

[Drinkolvi]

I thought that I followed the walkthrough correctly but I guess I accidentally missed the scene with mom and Celine in the kitchen and now after that Ruby's scenes triggered so Thank you!