Ren'Py Completed Midnight Paradise [v1.0f Extra] [Lewdlab]

[Draverik]

Seems like you've skipped the latest updates of MM then And it's true, it is somewhat unreasonable to compare Faerin's games to this VN, since this VN is pretty much just linear slideshow without any actual game created around it, unlike MotH or MM.

And that exactly is the reason why everybody are so pissed off to VN devs like ICSTOR and Lewdlab who are just slacking and collecting the paychecks. It's a damn Ren'Py VN, it ain't rocket science to create it. Yet still this guy goes to rub his old VN instead of completing the one has been working on for two years. Midnight Paradise had some heat on it, but all that heat is just wasted now that he can't get the job done for one reason or another. To me, Midnight Paradise is a lost mess at the moment. There is too much story to be covered, and remembering Lewdlabs history with Dreams of Desire, I won't be surprised if he just takes similar shortcuts and rushes this one also to the end when he finally gets to that point in next 2.5 years. Then he can start his next game, work on it for 2 years and go polish up this one again cause "he is not happy with it".

Well, i would argue that games like MotH/MM are created in a way to actually relieve some load off of developers shoulders in terms of work they have to put in, with a lot of repetitivness and grind, lots of dialogues that are just a cardboard cut-out floating over a textbox imposed on a background of a room or whatever, you know? I mean there are normal scenes in it aswell but they are few and far between it feels like.
To me Faerin games play a lot like any run-of-the-mill strip poker game made in flash, i guess different strokes for different folks.

Nah dude, Faerin delivered, and he did it in ordered fashion (to be honest, I'm actually not sure if it was too fast narrative wise).

He didn't have his characters rubbing dicks against assholes and pussies left and right, with every permutation of sex 'job' in between, before, and after and before again, without getting to sex. Instead when things reached a stage where sexual interaction was available between two consenting parties, he gave you sex.

None of this unending foreplay business that lewdlab has going on.

That's because all the dick rubbing was replaced with other things like "peep on your mom while she's taking a shower 5 times to unlock next scene" and shit like that. Now there's nothing wrong with that in the context of that particular game but it wouldn't fly in a VN setting.

 

[thealucid]

That's because all the dick rubbing was replaced with other things like "peep on your mom while she's taking a shower 5 times to unlock next scene" and shit like that. Now there's nothing wrong with that in the context of that particular game but it wouldn't fly in a VN setting.

It's funny, because I can really tell you haven't played Mystwood Manor from this post. There is grinding in the game, but it's all about upgrading your hotel. Every scene with the characters are unique and not repeated. There's a total of around 10 scenes before you fuck the mom, getting increasingly risque until you fuck.

I don't actually know how many Lewdlab has had with Joyce in this game, but I'm stuck between hoping it's more than Mystwood considering it's been out for almost a year longer, and hoping it's less because Joyce should already be fuckable at this stage.

 

[Draverik]

It's funny, because I can really tell you haven't played Mystwood Manor from this post. There is grinding in the game, but it's all about upgrading your hotel. Every scene with the characters are unique and not repeated. There's a total of around 10 scenes before you fuck the mom, getting increasingly risque until you fuck.

I don't actually know how many Lewdlab has had with Joyce in this game, but I'm stuck between hoping it's more than Mystwood considering it's been out for almost a year longer, and hoping it's less because Joyce should already be fuckable at this stage.

I've seen the CG's from the latest update and i gotta say it's pretty disappointing. If i was to do the same thing you're doing here, and compare the two games on even grounds, i would go and say that Mystwood manor is a terrible VN, do you see what i'm doing?

Stop comparing those games, despite having a few common themes (3d incest) those are two totally different games.
There's a reason why some people choose one over the other, deal with it.

And let's be real here, this game is already a hot garbage without having to resort to massive offtopic conversations and comparing it to other "more successful" games.

 

[HorttoKaalo]

I've seen the CG's from the latest update and i gotta say it's pretty disappointing. If i was to do the same thing you're doing here, and compare the two games on even grounds, i would go and say that Mystwood manor is a terrible VN, do you see what i'm doing?

Stop comparing those games, despite having a few common themes (3d incest) those are two totally different games.
There's a reason why some people choose one over the other, deal with it.

And let's be real here, this game is already a hot garbage without having to resort to massive offtopic conversations and comparing it to other "more successful" games.

It was more comparing the devs and their working, not too much games itself. 2.5 years for a VN is way too long if basic sandbox game can be wrapped up in two years. And this one should’ve been wrapped up already, yet this one isn’t even halfway done because the dev is mia. Lewdlab is a guy who rides with a fame of his past game and good looking renders, but that’s about it. Now he is going to lose that too. Don’t get too worked up if someone critices your favourite VN, it’s an fair opinion to just say the things as they are.

 

[Draverik]

It was more comparing the devs and their working, not too much games itself. 2.5 years for a VN is way too long if basic sandbox game can be wrapped up in two years. And this one should’ve been wrapped up already, yet this one isn’t even halfway done because the dev is mia. Lewdlab is a guy who rides with a fame of his past game and good looking renders, but that’s about it. Now he is going to lose that too. Don’t get too worked up if someone critices your favourite VN, it’s an fair opinion to just say the things as they are.

But i don't even like Midnight Paradise anymore
We're on the same side here, it's just a bit silly to compare devs since it's not going to change anything and thats the point i'm trying to make here.
It's like two kids sitting in a sandpit arguing about "who's dad is the strongest", but the truth is that both of their dads are raging alcoholics who are releasing their pent-up frustrations on their respective wives and we're never going to see them fighting eachother so what's the point?

 

[HorttoKaalo]

it's just a bit silly to compare devs since it's not going to change anything and thats the point i'm trying to make here.

Depends on a viewer then I suppose. Because in my opinion it's not "silly" to examine two developers working and work ethic and compare those things between the two of them. You may similarly say it's also silly to compare musicians to each others since "it's not going to change anything", yet it is still big part of the conversation of the business they are in. Does everything has to change something so we can have a conversation about it? In my opinion not.

 

[thealucid]

I've seen the CG's from the latest update and i gotta say it's pretty disappointing. If i was to do the same thing you're doing here, and compare the two games on even grounds, i would go and say that Mystwood manor is a terrible VN, do you see what i'm doing?

Stop comparing those games, despite having a few common themes (3d incest) those are two totally different games.
There's a reason why some people choose one over the other, deal with it.

And let's be real here, this game is already a hot garbage without having to resort to massive offtopic conversations and comparing it to other "more successful" games.

I was getting all hot and bothered writing up a rebuttal about how the idea you can't compare porn games is silly, but then I realized you were just being facetious.

Yeah, it's sad considering how much promise Midnight Paradise had. I'm hoping for a miracle and still monitoring Lewdlab's game in case he figures out how to get his awful story pacing problem under control. But bluntly speaking I don't know if it needs a rewrite or something. Seems like Lewdlab might be playing it by the seat of his pants and writing the story as it goes, and inadvertently created this drawn out mess of romantic narratives as consequence.

Seems to be a common problem on this site, a lot of games could be helped a ton if their creators just bothered to sit down and create a basic outline of how romance in the game should progress before starting.

 

[Draverik]

I was getting all hot and bothered writing up a rebuttal about how the idea you can't compare porn games is silly, but then I realized you were just being facetious.

Yeah, it's sad considering how much promise Midnight Paradise had. I'm hoping for a miracle and still monitoring Lewdlab's game in case he figures out how to get his awful story pacing problem under control. But bluntly speaking I don't know if it needs a rewrite or something. Seems like Lewdlab might be playing it by the seat of his pants and writing the story as it goes, and inadvertently created this drawn out mess of romantic narratives as consequence.

Seems to be a common problem on this site, a lot of games could be helped a ton if their creators just bothered to sit down and create a basic outline of how romance in the game should progress before starting.

I think that the core of the problem is just that the current Patreon model doesn't really favour the approach that so many developers are taking with most of VN's here.
They're thinking of a finished product instead of taking a more of a episodic approach. Instead of trying to think of it as a fully-featured film, that they are trying to release in chunks, they need to think of it more as a series of episodes. Each episode/update should be able to stand on it's own, but also make sense as a whole.

What we have here with Midnight Paradise is like a weird mixture of both, there is an overarching story that's connecting all the minor storylines of each character in the game. But because he went ahead with the minor storylines (mom and sisters) in order to please his supporters, the main story was left behind, and since the game was designed to have a massive climax with both main story and the individual character stories coming together at one point, he can't progress the minor stuff without having to catch up with the main story first.
So he's fucked now since nobody really cares about the main story, they want to see the MC fucking all the main girls, but that can't be done without spoiling the reveal or whatever, so he's forced to work on the boring drug empire or whatever storyline, while still interjecting a little bit of something on the side to keep people interested.

The game is gonna bear scars of a rocky development regardless, even if it's ever sees it's completion. And i don't think there's any way to salvage that, only hope he will learn from his mistakes on his next project.

 

[thealucid]

I think that the core of the problem is just that the current Patreon model doesn't really favour the approach that so many developers are taking with most of VN's here.
They're thinking of a finished product instead of taking a more of a episodic approach. Instead of trying to think of it as a fully-featured film, that they are trying to release in chunks, they need to think of it more as a series of episodes. Each episode/update should be able to stand on it's own, but also make sense as a whole.

What we have here with Midnight Paradise is like a weird mixture of both, there is an overarching story that's connecting all the minor storylines of each character in the game. But because he went ahead with the minor storylines (mom and sisters) in order to please his supporters, the main story was left behind, and since the game was designed to have a massive climax with both main story and the individual character stories coming together at one point, he can't progress the minor stuff without having to catch up with the main story first.
So he's fucked now since nobody really cares about the main story, they want to see the MC fucking all the main girls, but that can't be done without spoiling the reveal or whatever, so he's forced to work on the boring drug empire or whatever storyline, while still interjecting a little bit of something on the side to keep people interested.

The game is gonna bear scars of a rocky development regardless, even if it's ever sees it's completion. And i don't think there's any way to salvage that, only hope he will learn from his mistakes on his next project.

That's actually a good point, a lot of the more successful games on this site treat their material in an episodic fashion. But I think they also know where the story is going and planned for it to be released in bite sized chunks. Where the update ends with a kind of conclusive tie up point and you aren't left dangling and each development grows organically or is foreshadowed.

But yeah, if the reason he keeps dragging things out with the mom and sisters is that the main story needs to reach a certain point before sex is introduced. Then ironically by trying to appease his supporters, by giving them endless foreplay scenes in lieu of progressing the main story, he's instead angered them. Should have just gotten the main story to the point the characters can start having sex.

 

[Simon995]

instead of creating and adding more of those night time sleep assault, those repetitive massages, yogas, after class studies and etc in the early games~ the dev should have spent more time on progressing the main story~

now that I look at it~ the 2yrs of updates were all easy money and work for him~ all of them mostly consist of repetitive event~ slow pace on the story building~

 

[RandomGuy99]

as i said, the game should be called blue balled paradise. The Dev should push for the main story to move on to a certain degree then introduce the so called side quests. His argument is that MC should
NOT be having sex with the main LI. But MC can always do it with non main LI so that the Dev can fulfill the sex scene qouta for the each chapter. Now the game is too side quest focus that the story have barely move on.

The issue most people have is the time vs story/action progression of the game ie pacing. You cannot have a VN thats takes 2.5 years but only reach 50% of the story. If you want to have longer story then make game like what we see in Time Stamp where you have squeals.

 

[wpeale71341]

The day 1 sex scene in the bathroom was simply to make sure the Dev was honest about the Vaginal Sex tag being present on the game. Now I have progressed through over 120 days in game of what is apparent and obvious, the unbridled milking of Patreon supporters for a game that is nothing but softcore fetish fulfillments. The MC gets a girlfriend finally. Storyline shuts down right there. No further content. Game progresses up to where you hope he might accidentally get some real action with one of the three female family members he is having massive foreplay and tease sex acts with but no that never happens. MC brother has a girlfriend. Sex with her? Nope. Not a chance. Maid wants him. Sex with her? No more than the usual softcore BJ. Tanya. Sex with her? Nope. Softcore stuff only. You would think those people paying to support this game are going to ask what the hell are they getting for their money? Soft burn is cool with the slow build ups. But sooner or later there needs to be some progression to that burn. Now whenever the content goes lewd in nature my attitude is "Eww! What will it be? Footjob? Or yet another Blowjob? You know it won't be anything else. The Dev gave the MC a big old horse cock and now refuses to let him use it. Starting to get very tired of a boring plotline that barely moves along and nonstop softcore with no real sexual acts. It would have been more easy to progress the story if the Dev had been more careful about how the events were placed. You can only do one or if you are lucky two events per time frame of the day. Yet what do you get? Every single event listed (5) all trigger at the same time frame. 3 of those in the exact same location. You have little control over which event will actually trigger either. So that is a grab bag as well. All those yoga and massage events? Aside from being a tease to milk the supporters what did they really do? Honestly. I am very seriously considering tossing this game as it is very difficult to stay wrapped into a story that just goes nowhere. I get involved in my characters I play. I can't stand it when they never have the balls to finish what they start. Not going to progress with the family? Then why in the hell did you start it in the first place? I would have been just as satisfied with a normal relationship with a REAL storyline to go along with it. How hard would it be to put in extra characters he wasn't related to and then do his Patreon slow milk game on them instead. At least then he could have milked out a satisfactory conclusion as well. The way it is now, I just feel like I got played and wasted my time on a Playboy channel VN. Should have gone with the Hustler VN instead.

 

[drooopy]

Maid wants him. Sex with her? No more than the usual softcore BJ.

There is sex with the maid & it's kinda hardcore

The teacher gets the hardcore treatment as well

 

[cxx]

There is sex with the maid & it's kinda hardcore

The teacher gets the hardcore treatment as well

teacher sex is kinky at later points.

 

[Dude999999]

The energy people stick in writing negative rands and stuff. If you don't like it, move on to an other game/VN. It isn't worth it.

 

[Xumeey]

The energy people stick in writing negative rands and stuff. If you don't like it, move on to an other game/VN. It isn't worth it.

People enjoy negativity. It is what it is.

 

[lorenzo110]

I hope in this coming update the game dev has fixed the Renpy issue in it that broke the game for a few fans of it. I was told that this would be resolved in the next update but we will see. For those unfamiliar it deals with the problem when some click on the exe and it does not open at all. And if one goes into the game console to choose the renderer option force angle renderer it is not there. Instead force angle2 renderer is there and this does not fix the problem. It can also be fixed by the game dev recompiling the game file in a previous Renpy game creator software before the new version broke the games. I enjoyed this game but if it doesn't work next update it goes to the trash bin and I will stick with game devs who fix their work to help out all of their fans.

 

[Simon995]

More people are moving on from this dev and game~ the Patreon supporters number is dropping since the delay of DOD: DE release on steam and further pushing back any work on MP~ he reap what he sow~

 

[Monsieur X]

More people are moving on from this dev and game~ the Patreon supporters number is dropping since the delay of DOD: DE release on steam and further pushing back any work on MP~ he reap what he sow~

Maybe, still, he reaps a fair amount.
Then again, who are we to judge what his patrons are willing to pay ? Answer: nobody.
Freeloaders have no voice when it comes to that. They can criticize the game for sure, criticize the people supporting the Dev: no, it's not their money.

 

[Simon995]

Maybe, still, he reaps a fair amount.
Then again, who are we to judge what his patrons are willing to pay ? Answer: nobody.
Freeloaders have no voice when it comes to that. They can criticize the game for sure, criticize the people supporting the Dev: no, it's not their money.

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Not criticizing on those supporter and how they wanna use their money on~ was just stating the fact that there is actual people moving on from the dev~ hoping the drop in numbers will act as a strong message to the dev that he better not continue on with his current state of affairs~