Ren'Py Completed Milfy City [v1.0e] [ICSTOR]

[TommyEsclow]

So you're just jumping on that direction, without having even played the update first? Why don't you wait a bit and then see if the amount of the time corresponds with the content?

You're also overpassing the fact Icstor's always been delivering nice updates on a reasonable rate, but i guess this constancy on his side doesn't do nothing for his "professionalism", right? I wonder what would you say the day, as a cause of a random act, Nlt Media delays and update for more than 2 weeks, i guess suddenly they're not delivering the expected "professionalism", the fuckers.

There is no way that update is worth over 10 months of payment. Maybe for leechers / people who just want their quick "fix" but not for content fans and especially not for long time supporters. But that's not even the point here. We are talking about professionalism. And no he is not delivering updates in reasonable states. Not sure where you draw that from. If NLT would delay something for 2 weeks no one would say anything but it's a entirely different story if it's more than 10 months with a still active payment roll.

That's why people are upset and it's understandable. You can't argue on that because it's business. If you start "selling" business comes first. Even if you delay "for a reasonable time", you have responsibilities to inform and keep in touch with the supporters each month. There are many examples out there dark cookie, adeptus steve and so on...

 

[Arap12]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, like if life works that simple <3
if I pay for a coffee somewhere I am NOT the company boss (but my money is used to buy ingredients, pay the workers). As a patreon, you are nothing more than a customer (not a boss).

unbelievable....

When i go in a bar and the coffee sucks, for any reason, i the customer can rightfully ask for the coffee to be remade.
businesses exist to please their customers, it's not a public mess hall for bums that don't have any choice and take any food to survive.
The thing you're doing (white knighting) it's just what we have to blame for the EA\Activision\Ubisoft AAA games trying to rip off\put it in the ass of their customers for more money (as well more inclusion of micro-transations, DLC, Season passes, ect ect), companies that blame the customers for their problems when THEY are the problem.
If he made this really for free (no patreon money) then i would agree with you, but since he takes money from people it's no longer a hobby\for free, it becomes a business, and a business' objective is to satisfy a customer, not the other way around.
No matter how rude they are, a business can't afford to have bad advertisement from customers.
People here are rightfully angry because ICSTOR pushed the game's release date over the summer, when the last update was 8\9 months ago, excessive for a ren'py visual novel.

It's as if you booked a room in a hotel during a vacation and then at last moment, when the suitcases are all ready in the car and you're about to go, the "owner" of the hotel says "i'm going in vacation so everything is closed, i won't be refunding any of your bookings though." if this happened to a real hotel you could sue the owner for not refunding you, because you payed for a service that was not provided, and you're rightfully angry because he didn't tell you before and canceled the booking, and because the owner was so cheap he couldn't hire or delegate someone while he was away.

 

[fried]

When i go in a bar and the coffee sucks, for any reason, i the customer can rightfully ask for the coffee to be remade.
businesses exist to please their customers, it's not a public mess hall for bums that don't have any choice and take any food to survive.
The thing you're doing (white knighting) it's just what we have to blame for the EA\Activision\Ubisoft AAA games trying to rip off\put it in the ass of their customers for more money (as well more inclusion of micro-transations, DLC, Season passes, ect ect), companies that blame the customers for their problems when THEY are the problem.
If he made this really for free (no patreon money) then i would agree with you, but since he takes money from people it's no longer a hobby\for free, it becomes a business, and a business' objective is to satisfy a customer, not the other way around.
No matter how rude they are, a business can't afford to have bad advertisement from customers.

Most of the "customers" here are pirates. I addressed this issue not long ago:

- Sports franchises rely more on their popularity for income because that comes from a variety of sources and not just direct ticket sales.

- A single game Dev on Patreon relies on patrons and hopes to keep them satisfied and coming back for more. This is a patron support model by default and only resembles a more standard purchase model when the Dev enables per-delivery collections.

When non-customers try to warn people away from the Dev by making worst-case assumptions about their income, capabilities and work habits - all while the Dev shows progress and/or offers sound reasons for any unexpected delays at one point in their game's lifecycle - it sounds like noise to me. The game is at 90% from 65% about a month ago and non-customers are still complaining about the Dev's project management style, communications. and motivations. It's ridiculous.

Admittedly, I tend to ignore any post that contains lame terms such as "white knight." So, maybe I missed a valid point somewhere.

 

[throw_nws]

When i go in a bar and the coffee sucks, for any reason, i the customer can rightfully ask for the coffee to be remade.
businesses exist to please their customers... BLAH BLAH BLAH

I honestly can't believe there are CLUELESS people here commenting this belief. Ya'll need to get your facts straight before you spout nonsense.

PATREON is not a employer.
ICSTOR is NOT AN EMPLOYEE, NOR ARE WE HIS 'BOSSES'.
ICSTOR's earnings are donations and not a salary, if you don't know the difference then you shouldn't really be commenting such nonsense.
Icstor ISN'T A BUSINESS, he isn't and doesn't have to be legally registered as a trader, nor does he legally have to provide ANYTHING as he's not legally liable to provide a service. He can shut up shop tomorrow and run with the money with no legal consequences.

People using business analogies like this guy (if ICSTOR made coffee and it was shit / if i booked a hotel room and the owner shut), these analogies ARE MOOT. For the points listed above. Please stop with this nonsense.

 

[Julius Kingsley]

• Milfy City v0.6 – 90%

 

[BOBBINO122045]

 

[tall tale]

Its suposedly 2000 renders so is very large compared to some prvious ones tha ranged from 1100-1600+Renders

 

[trynd]

Its suposedly 2000 renders so is very large compared to some prvious ones tha ranged from 1100-1600+Renders

That sounds about right. Just hope the actual scenes are good(for the standards of this game ofc). Being A DIK surpassed this game for me with its last release. Some high quality content there.

 

[BOBBINO122045]

I think when its finally out, a majority of us will be more than happy!!

 

[Agent HK47]

is there anyway of cheating in this game?

Oh yeah, there is plenty of cheating going on in this game. Linda is cheating on her husband, Aunt's wife is cheating on aunt, Bob is cheating on Linda and MC is cheating on everybody

 

[Killer94]

MC is cheating on everybody

that sum's up everything .....wait....... is caroline and Sarah cheating here ??

 

[Agent HK47]

that sum's up everything .....wait....... is caroline and Sarah cheating here ??

Well, Sarah is pretty much the most loyal (and naive) person in the world, so I don't think so.

As for Caroline.... Well, she talks about her ex every now and then, and according to some people that seems to be worse than cheating. So yeah, MC is sleeping around with everyone but Caroline is clearly the biggest slut here

 

[Killer94]

poor Caro, also wanna point out what about the twins, violet. the therapist ......
so many questions that needs to get answered

 

[Umgenlied]

There is no way that update is worth over 10 months of payment.

It wasn't ten months, that clarification comes out on this forum in every single page practically.

But that's not even the point here. We are talking about professionalism. And no he is not delivering updates in reasonable states.

That's also false, before this one time he used to update the game every two or three months and so.

but it's a entirely different story if it's more than 10 months with a still active payment roll.

Nope, that's a lie, he did stop the payments on his patreon for the months he said he'd be away.

That's why people are upset and it's understandable. You can't argue on that because it's business. If you start "selling" business comes first. Even if you delay "for a reasonable time", you have responsibilities to inform and keep in touch with the supporters each month. There are many examples out there dark cookie, adeptus

That's not "the business", mate, whatever you meant by adding that, it's what you would like ICSTOR to do. If we're getting technical here, and that seems to be your approaching to criticize him, there might be other forms of business administration other developers practice, but those don't make them "must-do"s of any microeconomic management. ICSTOR has always worked the same way he's working right now, it's what he chose, is it the best for you? Apparently not, but he certainly can't complain, as it hasn't lead to any patreons' lost.

 

[fried]

... microeconomic management.

Ugh, that single term has brought back lovely memories of my early Economics classes that I've tried to suppress all these years ...

 

[cimibibapa2]

Everyone who's blaming capitalism cause of icstor's retarded update schedule, is braindead.
Capitalism is the reason why it's even possible to make games like MC, SS, GTA, Witcher (videogames in general)
Things that are impossible in communist countrys, because porn & free speech (in any shape or form) is forbidden over there.

And btw no i'm not defending Icstor's slow workflow.
I like free market & i love competition, between creators.

 

[Arassei]

Oh yeah, there is plenty of cheating going on in this game. Linda is cheating on her husband, Aunt's wife is cheating on aunt, Bob is cheating on Linda and MC is cheating on everybody

Wait, bob is cheating on Linda ? With who ? I don't remember

 

[kakihurify1]

The faster they rise, the more devastating the fall.

 

[greenoreo]

Does anyone have a completed Save for up to 0.5C?

 

[TommyEsclow]

It wasn't ten months, that clarification comes out on this forum in every single page practically.

That's also false, before this one time he used to update the game every two or three months and so.

Nope, that's a lie, he did stop the payments on his patreon for the months he said he'd be away.

That's not "the business", mate, whatever you meant by adding that, it's what you would like ICSTOR to do. If we're getting technical here, and that seems to be your approaching to criticize him, there might be other forms of business administration other developers practice, but those don't make them "must-do"s of any microeconomic management. ICSTOR has always worked the same way he's working right now, it's what he chose, is it the best for you? Apparently not, but he certainly can't complain, as it hasn't lead to any patreons' lost.

The last real update was about 10 months. Nothing is false here we are talking about this game and nothing other than that. He did stop payment just for a short time. I mean seriously are you kidding me or are you trying to be a white knight here?. I was supporter for almost 2 years. You also don't seem to understand what business really means. You always write ICSTOR this or that, not everyone cares about his character. That's not the important part here. If you like him that much, good for you!. But this has nothing to do with this discussion. The most important thing here is how he handles his business.

If you like ICSTOR's work like many other guys here that's very nice but try to be realistic and not a self proclaimed guardian angel. And "we" aren't getting technical here the only one who is speaking technically is me. You're including a bunch of subjective personal opinions into it. We were discussing here why people are upset and I've already wrote the common facts which are being used by many other creators. I do have a business myself and can feel with the disappointment people are having. They're not hating ICSTOR or this game, it's just the way he handles his business.