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Some believe this is what is happening now. And the longer it is delayed by such voices, the worse it will be when it arrives. That's what happened to Duke Nukem.
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There is no way that update is worth over 10 months of payment. Maybe for leechers / people who just want their quick "fix" but not for content fans and especially not for long time supporters. But that's not even the point here. We are talking about professionalism. And no he is not delivering updates in reasonable states. Not sure where you draw that from. If NLT would delay something for 2 weeks no one would say anything but it's a entirely different story if it's more than 10 months with a still active payment roll.
That's why people are upset and it's understandable. You can't argue on that because it's business. If you start "selling" business comes first. Even if you delay "for a reasonable time", you have responsibilities to inform and keep in touch with the supporters each month. There are many examples out there dark cookie, adeptus steve and so on...
- Aug 15, 2017
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When i go in a bar and the coffee sucks, for any reason, i the customer can rightfully ask for the coffee to be remade.
businesses exist to please their customers, it's not a public mess hall for bums that don't have any choice and take any food to survive.
The thing you're doing (white knighting) it's just what we have to blame for the EA\Activision\Ubisoft AAA games trying to rip off\put it in the ass of their customers for more money (as well more inclusion of micro-transations, DLC, Season passes, ect ect), companies that blame the customers for their problems when THEY are the problem.
If he made this really for free (no patreon money) then i would agree with you, but since he takes money from people it's no longer a hobby\for free, it becomes a business, and a business' objective is to satisfy a customer, not the other way around.
No matter how rude they are, a business can't afford to have bad advertisement from customers.
People here are rightfully angry because ICSTOR pushed the game's release date over the summer, when the last update was 8\9 months ago, excessive for a ren'py visual novel.
It's as if you booked a room in a hotel during a vacation and then at last moment, when the suitcases are all ready in the car and you're about to go, the "owner" of the hotel says "i'm going in vacation so everything is closed, i won't be refunding any of your bookings though." if this happened to a real hotel you could sue the owner for not refunding you, because you payed for a service that was not provided, and you're rightfully angry because he didn't tell you before and canceled the booking, and because the owner was so cheap he couldn't hire or delegate someone while he was away.
- Nov 11, 2017
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Most of the "customers" here are pirates. I addressed this issue not long ago:
- Sports franchises rely more on their popularity for income because that comes from a variety of sources and not just direct ticket sales.
- A single game Dev on Patreon relies on patrons and hopes to keep them satisfied and coming back for more. This is a patron support model by default and only resembles a more standard purchase model when the Dev enables per-delivery collections.
When non-customers try to warn people away from the Dev by making worst-case assumptions about their income, capabilities and work habits - all while the Dev shows progress and/or offers sound reasons for any unexpected delays at one point in their game's lifecycle - it sounds like noise to me. The game is at 90% from 65% about a month ago and non-customers are still complaining about the Dev's project management style, communications. and motivations. It's ridiculous.
Admittedly, I tend to ignore any post that contains lame terms such as "white knight." So, maybe I missed a valid point somewhere.
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- Jul 19, 2017
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I honestly can't believe there are CLUELESS people here commenting this belief. Ya'll need to get your facts straight before you spout nonsense.
PATREON is not a employer.
ICSTOR is NOT AN EMPLOYEE, NOR ARE WE HIS 'BOSSES'.
ICSTOR's earnings are donations and not a salary, if you don't know the difference then you shouldn't really be commenting such nonsense.
Icstor ISN'T A BUSINESS, he isn't and doesn't have to be legally registered as a trader, nor does he legally have to provide ANYTHING as he's not legally liable to provide a service. He can shut up shop tomorrow and run with the money with no legal consequences.
People using business analogies like this guy (if ICSTOR made coffee and it was shit / if i booked a hotel room and the owner shut), these analogies ARE MOOT. For the points listed above. Please stop with this nonsense.
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Its suposedly 2000 renders so is very large compared to some prvious ones tha ranged from 1100-1600+Renders
- Sep 17, 2017
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That sounds about right. Just hope the actual scenes are good(for the standards of this game ofc). Being A DIK surpassed this game for me with its last release. Some high quality content there.
- Jul 2, 2018
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- Mar 3, 2018
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Oh yeah, there is plenty of cheating going on in this game. Linda is cheating on her husband, Aunt's wife is cheating on aunt, Bob is cheating on Linda and MC is cheating on everybody
- Feb 4, 2018
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that sum's up everything .....wait....... is caroline and Sarah cheating here ??MC is cheating on everybody
- Mar 3, 2018
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Well, Sarah is pretty much the most loyal (and naive) person in the world, so I don't think so.
As for Caroline.... Well, she talks about her ex every now and then, and according to some people that seems to be worse than cheating. So yeah, MC is sleeping around with everyone but Caroline is clearly the biggest slut here
- Sep 3, 2017
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It wasn't ten months, that clarification comes out on this forum in every single page practically.
That's also false, before this one time he used to update the game every two or three months and so.
Nope, that's a lie, he did stop the payments on his patreon for the months he said he'd be away.
That's not "the business", mate, whatever you meant by adding that, it's what you would like ICSTOR to do. If we're getting technical here, and that seems to be your approaching to criticize him, there might be other forms of business administration other developers practice, but those don't make them "must-do"s of any microeconomic management. ICSTOR has always worked the same way he's working right now, it's what he chose, is it the best for you? Apparently not, but he certainly can't complain, as it hasn't lead to any patreons' lost.
- Nov 11, 2017
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Ugh, that single term has brought back lovely memories of my early Economics classes that I've tried to suppress all these years ...
- Dec 15, 2018
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Everyone who's blaming capitalism cause of icstor's retarded update schedule, is braindead.
Capitalism is the reason why it's even possible to make games like MC, SS, GTA, Witcher (videogames in general)
Things that are impossible in communist countrys, because porn & free speech (in any shape or form) is forbidden over there.
And btw no i'm not defending Icstor's slow workflow.
I like free market & i love competition, between creators.
Capitalism is the reason why it's even possible to make games like MC, SS, GTA, Witcher (videogames in general)
Things that are impossible in communist countrys, because porn & free speech (in any shape or form) is forbidden over there.
And btw no i'm not defending Icstor's slow workflow.
I like free market & i love competition, between creators.
- May 28, 2019
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Wait, bob is cheating on Linda ? With who ? I don't rememberOh yeah, there is plenty of cheating going on in this game. Linda is cheating on her husband, Aunt's wife is cheating on aunt, Bob is cheating on Linda and MC is cheating on everybody
