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So, I'm a bit behind the loop here.

Last I recall, he was taking a break due to "health issues." Legitimacy of this claim aside, did he not make it so nobody was charged during this time or for the following update as per his post? If this is the case, what is everyone up in arms about? If he is charging people and still constantly delaying, why is this practice being defended?

I am all for people being held "accountable" (for lack of a better word) for their actions, and I've had some choice words for other projects in which case it is blatantly obvious the dev is milking his fanbase, but is that actually the case here? What exactly am I missing to where people are this upset? :unsure:
 
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So, I'm a bit behind the loop here.

Last I recall, he was taking a break due to "health issues." Legitimacy of this claim aside, did he not make it so nobody was charged during this time or for the following update as per his post? If this is the case, what is everyone up in arms about? If he is charging people and still constantly delaying, why is this practice being defended?

I am all for people being held "accountable" (for lack of a better word) for their actions, and I've had some choice words for other projects in which case it is blatantly obvious the dev is milking his fanbase, but is that actually the case here? What exactly am I missing to where people are this upset? :unsure:
He paused payments for 2 months. If you count the Christmas special. That means he has collected 6 out of the 8 months this year.
 
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He paused payments for 2 months. If you count the Christmas special. That means he has collected 6 out of the 8 months this year.
Right, but has he enabled charges? I'm not gonna fault the guy for charging 6 of 8 months and then having to take a break. Nobody plans to be sick. It's only an issue to me, in my opinion, if he came back and started charging again while delaying it further. If that's the case, then I don't understand why anybody is defending that. If it's not the case, I don't really see the problem.
 

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I hate when I get sick for 6 months straight. Shit sucks. Also I thought I read when he first took his break that it was just due to being burnt out and he also said something like he's just gonna work on characters he wants to work on and not what people vote for? Never heard anything about being sick.
 

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He paused payments for 2 months. If you count the Christmas special. That means he has collected 6 out of the 8 months this year.
I doubt most actually care about whether ICSTOR paused payments, only those who are subs would really be bothered I don't think all those who are complaining here are subscribers some maybe but not all.
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I think the big issue is that they just really really want their Caroline fap content and the wait is driving them nuts.
That's all it really is they are pissed ICSTOR has blue balled them for months and they are jonesing for Caroline but are being forced to wait while ICSTOR adds the neighbor content.
 

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I hate when I get sick for 6 months straight. Shit sucks. Also I thought I read when he first took his break that it was just due to being burnt out and he also said something like he's just gonna work on characters he wants to work on and not what people vote for? Never heard anything about being sick.
He literally said "health issues" in his post.

Again, don't give a shit what his reason is or the legitimacy of it. If he's charging still, it's a dick move and the criticism is deserved. If he's not, I don't see the issue. All I see in this thread are people bitching about not being able to fap, but not much information on what he's actually doing.
 

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Right, but has he enabled charges? I'm not gonna fault the guy for charging 6 of 8 months and then having to take a break. Nobody plans to be sick. It's only an issue to me, in my opinion, if he came back and started charging again while delaying it further. If that's the case, then I don't understand why anybody is defending that. If it's not the case, I don't really see the problem.
Well, that is what he did. He took the break in March and April. He started charging in June. There was supposed to be a june release that was push back until august. Now it has been pushed back again to an unknown date.
 

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I kinda don't like how people depict this patreon pausing a big deal. Seriously :unsure: Its like some people think that its the Devs duty to make financial decisions that pledgers should be making!

Sure, its a nice, decent gesture to pause which i advocate but come on! Whether a patron pledges or not is a decision that is up to the patron to make! Every single one of them should decide if they wanna keep pledging or not regardless if the Dev is absent or not. Which is totally irrelevant. Dev says he is sick, won't be around indefinitely? What forces you to keep pledging? Nothing ffs! Cancel it. Its your money, your choice!

The importance of this "pause the patron" is grossly overrated. Let the pledgers decide if they wanna keep supporting. Its their call. Nobody is holding a gun against their head to keep paying.
 

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I doubt most actually care about whether ICSTOR paused payments, only those who are subs would really be bothered I don't think all those who are complaining here are subscribers some maybe but not all.
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I think the big issue is that they just really really want their Caroline fap content and the wait is driving them nuts.
That's all it really is they are pissed ICSTOR has blue balled them for months and they are jonesing for Caroline but are being forced to wait while ICSTOR adds the neighbor content.
I was just answering the question as best as I could without any comment.
 

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I kinda don't like how people depict this patreon pausing a big deal. Seriously :unsure: Its like some people think that its the Devs duty to make financial decisions that pledgers should be making!

Sure, its a nice, decent gesture to pause which i advocate but come on! Whether a patron pledges or not is a decision that is up to the patron to make! Every single one of them should decide if they wanna keep pledging or not regardless if the Dev is absent or not. Which is totally irrelevant. Dev says he is sick, won't be around indefinitely? What forces you to keep pledging? Nothing ffs! Cancel it. Its your money, your choice!

The importance of this "pause the patron" is grossly overrated. Let the pledgers decide if they wanna keep supporting. Its their call. Nobody is holding a gun against their head to keep paying.
Odd way of thinking. :unsure:

I don't really care what he chooses to do; you're absolutely correct that it's up to the patrons to choose how they spend their money. However, I kinda don't like how people depict the act of a dev milking their fanbase as not a big deal, instead normalizing it as the responsiblity of the patron. Yeah, it most certainly is, but that really doesn't mean what the dev does is okay or shouldn't be talked about. I think people should complain about this practice. I just don't believe they should complain if they're still paying him while they complain about it. It's pretty common sense that the more people enjoy a game, the more they care about the direction it's taking. It's completely understandable to see people upset about it on principle.
 

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Odd way of thinking. :unsure:
Not at all. But my gut feeling is that you just worded your thoughts politely here. I hope i'm wrong.
I think people should complain about this practice.
Just not here.
However, I kinda don't like how people depict the act of a dev milking their fanbase as not a big deal, instead normalizing it as the responsiblity of the patron.
Me neither.
you're absolutely correct that it's up to the patrons to choose how they spend their money.
I was talking about this and ONLY about this. Don't mash it with what you said afterwards.
I just don't believe they should complain if they're still paying him while they complain about it.
And you say my thinking is odd :sneaky:
It's pretty common sense that the more people enjoy a game, the more they care about the direction it's taking.
Yes, absolutely. Again, we aren't talking about the same thing.
 
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I kinda don't like how people depict this patreon pausing a big deal. Seriously :unsure: Its like some people think that its the Devs duty to make financial decisions that pledgers should be making!

Sure, its a nice, decent gesture to pause which i advocate but come on! Whether a patron pledges or not is a decision that is up to the patron to make! Every single one of them should decide if they wanna keep pledging or not regardless if the Dev is absent or not. Which is totally irrelevant. Dev says he is sick, won't be around indefinitely? What forces you to keep pledging? Nothing ffs! Cancel it. Its your money, your choice!

The importance of this "pause the patron" is grossly overrated. Let the pledgers decide if they wanna keep supporting. Its their call. Nobody is holding a gun against their head to keep paying.
I agree with you. It's basically a passing off of responsibility to someone else. Subconsciously, but still. If I'M not responsible for something I don't like happening, that I get to shine about it! Not MY fault I make poor decisions with my resources, it's the OTHER guy! Fuck that guy!
 
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