Ren'Py Completed Milfy City [v1.0e] [ICSTOR]

[gamersglory]

Unless you financially contributed to the project, you lack standing. Moreover, those who have financially contributed have so far recieved what they are entitled to. Innacuracy of a projected timeline is not grounds for legal action in and of itself. The product in this case can be freely and legally downloaded, and payment is an opt-in process that the potential plaintiff can opt out of at any time.

TL;DR You don't have a case, so stop acting like a lawyer.

I was saying there was no legal recourse. Verbal agreements don't hold up in court for one. two was saying other characters he never fleshed out were implied to be part of the game at some point. Don't know why people are defending him in his long con. If you don't follow through on what you intended then your game is unfinished/abandoned.

 

[gamersglory]

It's because his new post called UPDATE and Apologies, so some people might really think that there Is an update and most of them dont know about f95.

Yah pay a buck to learn ICSTOR is fucking people over again. Pure con artist

 

[Seagal]

Shouldn't surprise anyone considering his past and the endings of his previous games. I will say that was the best Dev Update post he's made. At least it appears he's being honest with us and himself now.

I'm totally fine with him moving to short games that consist of 4-5 episodes only. ICSTOR never had stories in his games that warranted huge amounts of updates. They're all pretty much nukige incest titles that had full focus on the porn. That's what they are; great porn games, and not great adult games... if that makes sense.

If he knows he's only got 4-5 good episodes to work with he should be able to make some interesting short stories and characters, and more importantly some great fap material. I'd actually prefer it that way, and that's when ICSTOR is at his best.

Still, I would never support the guy again until I see him start following through with this new stuff, but I think this will be a good thing for him. Now hopefully he'll get motivated a bit now that the end for this game is out in the open. Just give a good Sara and Linda update and then the final one, and Milfy City can then come to an end.

And I know people will be upset about it, but still, let's say there's a decent Sara and Linda update, a final update with some Aunt content and an ending or something... It'll still be way better than most of the games on this site, with a hot fetish story that makes for great fap material. Can't really ask for more, and I don't really want more than that in a lot of cases.

... I wonder what the new games Mom, Aunt, and Sister(s) look like? You know he's already got them created ...

 

[goobdoob]

No It isn't. Professionalism doesn't include just how many games you made it means working "professional". Being Professional means meeting deadlines, working your bone off until you satisfy your customers, being in touch with your Community etc. Criticizing someone "here" who bans regular supporters and (high tier) just because of asking some questions in their own Community is more than fair. If you say it makes you look "petty" or what else... I mean who the fuck cares in first place. Nobody feels like that. People who know how it works, who worked in real teams / projects and made something, do understand these kind of things better than anyone else.

You say "from the comments you guess nobody worked professional". Alright Sherlock Holmes, I guess you truly can find almighty people in a illegal fap community who just knows everything about everybody. Doctors, Psychologists or even freaking magicians you can find all of them here, telling you how the world really works. I'm impressed everyday.

I'm not sure you get how multiquote works. I was responding to 2 different comments, from 2 different people, with 2 different sets of responses. The comment on professionalism had nothing to do with the response to "he hasn't finished any games", where I pointed out that he had, in fact, finished at least 3 (depending on your definition of "finished" it could be as many as 6).

Now, about "Guys...from these comments I'm going to guess you've never done any professional work, or very little." - the 2 people I was replying to were ripping Lewdlab's comments on professionalism because MP is a mess, with tons of delays. The two things (acting like a professional, and doing a bad job developing his latest game) are 2 different things. Saying one follows from the other is a logical fallacy; specifically a non sequitur.

This game should still get the abandoned tag added to it as even with two more updates he will not finish what he promised when he started the game. There is no legal contract for him to complete the game but he made a verbal one that he does not plan to fulfill.

Dude...you are making my point for me. You, as a dev saying this should be marked abandoned (against site policies) lets me say that Lexi should be marked abandoned. Not following the rules, and doing what we feel like, leads to chaos.

(I don't think Lexi should be marked abandoned).

1. Offering constructive criticism or calling out bad and actually UNPROFESSIONAL behavior of another Dev is not in itself unprofessional behavior by default. Now i haven't read EVERY single post made by another Dev here so i can't presume to speak for all of them but from the some i have read i have no idea why you would call them all "unprofessional" unless you are of the naive mindset that no dev should criticize another dev under any circumstance.

That's true...except you're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say devs shouldn't criticize other devs. I said "Devs shouldn't rip on other devs".

So no he isn't correct, inserting some weird and arbitrary limit on what is "professional" and what is not does not extend to others giving constructive criticism or calling out bad behavior of another dev. In fact i can understand the frustration of many of the other Devs since they have 10 times the worth ethic and responsibility that ICSTOR has shown in the past year or 2 but he has more than 10 times the patreons than 95% of the Devs on this site. It's a shame because more and more Devs are gonna figure out that they can get away with lots of crap on name recognition alone.

There are many discussions of professional behavior on the internet. Part of it boils down to respect, and treating other people well. Most codes of conduct can be broken down to "don't be a dick". I'm not talking about work ethic, I'm talking about not being a dick. Devs shouldn't be a dick to other devs, because you're giving someone else a license to be a dick to you. Being a dick is not the same as calling out someone who is fucking up. You can call out people without being a dick about it.

My Sweet Neighbors dev hasn't said a word since December of 2018 and he is still sitting at 2000 dollars a month, that's the power you have as a Dev once you build up enough of a recognition and fanbase, so yes i am all for other Dev's voicing their frustration with the ones who are actually being unprofessional.

The problem with your example here is Pandelo has turned off charges every month since he went silent. This has been verified repeatedly in the MSN thread by patrons. But I get your point - dickhead creators who suck in cash for doing nothing (I'm looking at you, Gumdrop) cast a stain on other devs, and is a giant source of frustration.

 

[YaBoy]

God I'm embarrassed to ever have given Icstor any of my money. Thankfully I quit when he first started making huge delays, but I can't believe I was dumb enough to think that he only quit IS-2 and MV to concentrate on making a genuinely great porn game.
Some solid devs I'm supporting now:
TheGary (Cure My Addiction)
UberPie (Taffy Tales)
OrbOrigin (A Mother's Love)

Special shoutout to NLT Media for being incredible with how often they update, and the quality that they put out. I'm not supporting them right now because I feel like a smaller dev could use the money more, but I probably should. IMO they're the gold standard amongst the big devs that are making lewd games on Patreon.

 

[DunnS]

All the seething from devs who wish they made a fifth of what ISCTOR makes while doing jack shit is pretty funny.

this same line of thought is what ruins cinema, when people say: "hey, why would you criticize/expect so much from a super hero movie? Its just some effects and cheap action" they forget something really important, those movies make tons of millions of dollars and they are backed by big groups that fund them with millions of dollars too, so why the hell wouldn't I expect a lot of them? Otherwise they are just cheap movies made by ignorant rich guys.

The same happens with milfycity, a lot of people backed and is still funding this project, they have the right to demand quality stuff and expect better quality than has been seen in previous patches

 

[Megatron71]

I am unsure what causes this degree of absolutely cringe, retarded shilling

Opioid addiction, or some kind of hallucinogen (mushrooms?) would be my first guess...

 

[P4N4]

Wow....

Not for the shitstorm that ensued after this yet another pathetic comeback with nothing to show for. That was pretty much given. So $1 to view the "UPDATE" post? Ohhhhkkkkeeeeyyyy... pity the patrons who don't know about this place.

But wow for the idiocy to abandon MC.

I've said not long ago that he will continue to work on it when most were fretting it would be abandoned, thinking that MC is his biggest cash cow, but man, this guy is downright an idiot for giving up on the game. He will make episodic games and that will change exactly what to his workload? It's not as if every update he posted for MC added content for all the characters in the game. He did updates the same way he would episodic games, one or two characters at a time, and he still used that "burnout" excuse and overshot release dates.

Somewhat disappointed Judy will be left hanging. She started it all and now... huh. Thinking about going full pirate for in-dev games and pay for them when they're done and deserve it. I mean, as long a people don't have the backbone to stand up to this type of scam by continuing to financially support him/them, this will continue to happen and more so, amplify.

Will be interesting to see his support level once Milfy City gets "retired".

 

[Aristos]

Am I the only one who realized Winterfire 's posts are ironic?

 

[DiddlerGames]

All the seething from devs who wish they made a fifth of what ISCTOR makes while doing jack shit is pretty funny.

You have no clue lol. I actually show my friends his graphtreon so I can feel better about myself lol.

 

[goobdoob]

Am I the only one who realized Winterfire 's posts are ironic?

What? They're ironic? No way!

 

[DiddlerGames]

Devs shouldn't rip on other devs, because:

1. It's unprofessional
2. It makes you look petty
3. It gives others a license to rip on you

No matter what you think about MP, he's correct here.

1. None of us are really "professional". Most are solo devs.
2. I am.
3. I 100% want people to, as long as they actually play the product. That's the problem with ICSTOR. It seems like he just wants to be left alone for as long as it takes and not held to any standard. All his other games ended abruptly with 0 closure. Ripping on eachother should be encouraged.

 

[goobdoob]

1. None of us are really "professional". Most are solo devs.
2. I am.
3. I 100% want people to, as long as they actually play the product. That's the problem with ICSTOR. It seems like he just wants to be left alone for as long as it takes and not held to any standard. All his other games ended abruptly with 0 closure. Ripping on eachother should be encouraged.

You may not be "a professional", but that doesn't mean you can't (or shouldn't) act professional.

I disagree that ripping on each other should be encouraged. Criticism, yes. Attacking, no.

IMO, of course.

 

[Pogo123]

2020 is a shit year and ICSTOR's announcement made it worse.

For me all past years were shit so this would make no difference.

so where is this official statement he will stop the dev of MC? And where is the statement at least 2 note updates will come?? My fav is Caroline and that lesbian model so I hoe to see at least with them a bit more story before it ends...!

if you are at least as long on patreon as I am you already saw many creators (from game devs to models etc) who wanted to achieve a far to high fetched goal, or wanted to quick to much money and then lost the interest in supporting their site any further but didn’t delete their accounts to milk at least the 5 of 10 ppl who didn’t stop supporting them or make short updated with a few pics to make supporters still hungry for more - which they obviously didn’t get.

but tbh at least this dev made a - so far - really great game (more or less) which is the upper class in comparison to a lot of other games here. I saw models milking more or the same amount of money for far less even they are/ or might be more reliable.

maybe he lost the last sparkle of interest cause ppl already raged when he didn’t deliver after 2/3 months? but he should have for sure communicated more with his fans and supporters. That’s what I personally hate the most: lack of communication.and that’s everywhere nowadays. It’s terrible.

 

[Pogo123]

1. None of us are really "professional". Most are solo devs.
2. I am.
3. I 100% want people to, as long as they actually play the product. That's the problem with ICSTOR. It seems like he just wants to be left alone for as long as it takes and not held to any standard. All his other games ended abruptly with 0 closure. Ripping on eachother should be encouraged.

yeah... that reminds me of the dev of „the humbling experience“ which was a big loss

 

[gamersglory]

1. None of us are really "professional". Most are solo devs.
2. I am.
3. I 100% want people to, as long as they actually play the product. That's the problem with ICSTOR. It seems like he just wants to be left alone for as long as it takes and not held to any standard. All his other games ended abruptly with 0 closure. Ripping on eachother should be encouraged.

He makes the rest of us look bad and is one of those Devs that give us all a bad name in the process. Yet He has over 6,000 enablers. That put up with it. for what? an unfinished product like all his past games. He can do us all a favor and close his patreon if he does not want to do the work. He has more than enough money to hire others to finish the game properly.

 

[Kekekerkek]

He makes the rest of us look bad and is one of those Devs that give us all a bad name in the process. Yet He has over 6,000 enablers. That put up with it. for what? an unfinished product like all his past games. He can do us all a favor and close his patreon if he does not want to do the work

i'm sorry it's been a long time since i came back on this thread , what did ictor said?

 

[gamersglory]

You may not be "a professional", but that doesn't mean you can't (or shouldn't) act professional.

I disagree that ripping on each other should be encouraged. Criticism, yes. Attacking, no.

IMO, of course.

everyone is entitled to there opinion it just gets to me that other devs are out busting their ass to make updates and please there supporters and ICSTOR is abusing his supporters and making jack shit. While he's taking it in for doing nothing.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

so where is this official statement he will stop the dev of MC? And where is the statement at least 2 note updates will come??

Right here, taken from his Patreon:

News #19 - Update and Apologies
Hello everyone, it’s been a while. First of all I want to say that I’m sorry for a lack of communication lately. I knew I should make this post sooner, but I didn’t exactly know what I wanted to do and I had to consider all the options with myself and some of my team members. I know that probably a lot of you started to hate me, but there’s nothing I can do besides saying that I’m really sorry. To be honest I’m burned out again with working on Milfy City. I was thinking that taking a break again could be a solution, but to be honest I know it’s not. I’ve learned one thing in the last few years of creating games but I’ll write about it later in the post.

What about Milfy City?
When it comes to Milfy City, I’m considering creating the last two BIG updates to Milfy City. I want to finish all characters' storylines which the player could already start to not leave any started story unfinished. Let’s call it version 0.9 and 1.0. I’ll probably make version 0.9 a little smaller so you can guys get the content sooner. Probably with Linda and Sara's complete storyline. Everyone that has supported or is supporting me now, since the beginning of this year will receive those updates for free.

What about the release date?
I don’t know, and I don’t want to give any exact month or day because we know how it could end. I’ll post the news always at the end of the month with current progress.

Current progress bar?
I know that in its current form it’s not really helpful and related to the truth. There are things that are not on my side to do so I can’t really tell how much time other members of the team need. I’m thinking about changing it to a general percent of completion with separate boards, like renders/programming/writing and testing.

What about the future and after completing Milfy City?
I’ve learned one thing in the last few years of making games. (Maybe too late…?) In order to finish the game as I want, without being burned out I can’t make more than 4-5 updates. It’s just who I am. I like creating new stuff and new characters. It’s exactly then, at the beginning when I feel passion and I love creating it and I can work even all day without being exhausted. So, I decided that my future games will be separated into episodes. (For sure no more than four/five). No more creating versions 0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6 .etc Because in every next version I became less and less interested in the project. I’ve already got a great idea for the story for my next game. But, for now only the programmer is working hard on all the mechanics that I want to implement.(There’s a lot ) In regards to Milfy City he has nothing else left to do until I create renders. So, I have to finish my part first in order to let him start working on it. In the meantime he’s working hard so we’ll be able to release the first episode MAYBE even at the end of this year.

I want to apologize once again for the lack of communication lately, and I’m hoping that there are still a lot of people waiting to see Linda, Sara and a few others characters again
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but tbh at least this dev made a - so far - really great game (more or less) which is the upper class in comparison to a lot of other games here. I saw models milking more or the same amount of money for far less even they are/ or might be more reliable.

maybe he lost the last sparkle of interest cause ppl already raged when he didn’t deliver after 2/3 months? but he should have for sure communicated more with his fans and supporters. That’s what I personally hate the most: lack of communication.and that’s everywhere nowadays. It’s terrible.

They're a great artist who can make great renders with hot characters, but they suck at storytelling. It feels to a lot of people like ICSTOR just comes up with characters and the setting and then makes the game up on the fly, which is why they can't seem to put together a cohesive narrative with a proper beginning, middle and end, and it's why they inevitably lose interest because it gets too difficult for them to bring all the different character stories together and wrap things up neatly.

 

[DiddlerGames]

He makes the rest of us look bad and is one of those Devs that give us all a bad name in the process. Yet He has over 6,000 enablers. That put up with it. for what? an unfinished product like all his past games. He can do us all a favor and close his patreon if he does not want to do the work. He has more than enough money to hire others to finish the game properly.

I think the patreon model is a double edged sword. For every ICSTOR there is another dev that does steady work but gets lower funding. The problem is that devs like ICSTOR are too common place and make the system look bad.

You may not be "a professional", but that doesn't mean you can't (or shouldn't) act professional.

I disagree that ripping on each other should be encouraged. Criticism, yes. Attacking, no.

IMO, of course.

I don't think ripping on eachother is the same as attacking. Us making comments on his garbage here isn't the same as us going to his patreon and talking trash that he never reads.