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It isn't an inevitability.
Some monster girls are just full subs.
Girls like
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etc. etc.They don't initiate. You don't "get fucked by them until you black out." Not only that but not all monster girls have the personality the Encyclopedia writer found.
And then on top of that, with items like the
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, dominant guys can bring to heel even Hellhounds!This is incorrect.
It's not that the MC has to be dominant. It's just that the MC has to make them Love you as much as you Love them after fucking.
You can win the Sex Battles through only Talk and Begging. The choice of whether or not to make them love you by being a dom and showing some resolve, or being a sub and making them enjoy playing with you is your choice, cause MGE is a switch setting. It's good game design in that sense.
And I disagree with your framing on canonicity. Just because the story ends when you gameover doesn't mean that's the "incorrect" path. That's just an ending and both people wind up happy either way.
Whatever makes the game last longer and the story keep going isn't necessarily the true path imo.
For instance, LDepth's worst ending is the one that takes the most effort and has the most content. It's also non-canon through word of the author.
You're right. I was wrong in using that word.
It was "rape play."
There's a distinction, but a meaningful one. It's framed like the MC taking the girl and forcing his desires upon her, even when she's fully into it and totally down with it.
You literally said, and I quote.
I was focusing on the whole bitch-coded, and masochist stuff.
Cause that's not how I view Battlefuck and gave my reasoning for why.
I was never disagreeing on the whole death erotica thing just saying. I also absolutely despise Succubus Academia.
Also why're you censoring yourself on a porn forum XD.
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In that same message I also said the exact same thing I did in the one you are responding to: " but while I have no problems with girls taking the lead in lovey-dovey situations like MGE etc "
I don't see how that contradicts literally anything you are quoting?
The word masochist has become almost completely useless as a descriptive term, If a guy likes a girl who loves him giving him a blowjob thats "femdom" to some people, just like an enemy trying to sexually murder someone.. I should avoid using nebulous words that can mean entirely different things. When I say "I'm not a masochist", I don't mean that every sexual encounter has to be missionary sex with the guy doing the swinging (though If it's always one way without the girl feeling anything, in every damn encounter, that is just dumb) I mean I don't F with sex in which the guy is looked at like a piece of bait to be disposed of, or a mere toy without importance. Sorry if this caused confusion.
If by masochist we mean, as KC uses the term, the idea of a good hearted (though a bit horny
) girl throwing herself upon you with no genuinely ill intentions, then sure I have absolutely no problems with that at all! I would only hope to repay that love as much as I can!When I say Bitch coded, I mean erotica in which the purpose is to essentially revel in being blamed, not for the sake of light teasing from a girl who likes you, but being "destroyed" mentally and literally. I don't want to see 2d characters, whether its the mobs or the protag, suffer such ridiculous cruelty...
I think KC put MGE's Reverse Rape well when he said that it is not meant with a serious nuance, and that:
"We don't consider it creepy or with a denial of the dignity of man." Within such a framework, I have no complaints!
The only erotic content I like, is sex between people who love one another, care about each others wellbeing etc. It doesn't really matter to me who is leading it, as long as both are getting *into it* and it's not just total shameplay stuff. Beyond that it's just preference, but those are my bottom line. I don't really care If it's rape (either reverse or normal) as long as the active party has good intentions (I'm gonna marry them!) ex. Lulu Farea or MGE
If a hellhound pushes down her husband, I hail that shit! If 'you' push down your Alice wife, I hail that shit!
The thing that matters is love!
I played both of the Fallen Maiden MGE games and had no issues with them whatsoever. Great games and the second made a mf tear up a bit tbh.
If all those BF games you just listed had the same outcomes as this one, and if in a scenario sense the enemies weren't abhorrent people, I would have basically *no* problems with them beyond matters of mere preference.
You can say "win every fight and you don't have to worry about that" Well, if I don't play those games then I never have to worry about it!
The mere presence of such disturbing things spoils the entire work for me. That's how I feel.
I'll stick with commercial Eroges and the world of the Encyclopedia, where things are to my liking!
I hope all this rambling has clarified my position. And this is why I love MGE where to quote Cross-sensei "Love conquers all!"
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Yeah I've been tricked into playing alot of games I was hopeful would match my tastes, that one was so obviously *not it* that I was spared the trouble.
In short, if i understood it correctly: Doesn't matter who is topping whom, as long everyone is being loved and taken care of.
girls that pound "you" into the ground with their hips, but then hug you, kiss you, and tell you they love you,as an example, or guys fucking their girls silly, but still care for them and don't want to harm them.
what you don't want are those Bitches that go "you are just a snack for me, i'm gonna drain you till you are a shriveled up corpse"
makes sense that you like MGE then, and as for Battle fucks, best game right now i can think of where there are at least some elements of this where both parties like each other as they try to out-fuck the other is Monstergirl Dreams, but i think even there a few jerks were around... but mostly everyone was somewhat kind due to that forcefield that goes "nope, sex-battle only if you wanna proceed" and defeat doesn't end in game over, just take a holy shower to get that libido in check and try again.
Those are the best girls. Best if combined by some real lasting effects too and not just death. Gimme some real despair.
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It's honestly crazy, but romance is in incredibly short supply in eroge.
You'd think it'd be super common since sex and relationships kinda go hand in hand.
You're right that most BattleFuck games give no shits about romance.
Among the titles Aesthetic, talked about, like Erotical Night, ROBF, everything Apple_Rooftop, etc. Literally none of them care about the feelings between the two people fucking. Milky Quest is specifically awful regarding that.
Circle Teckua used to be a small light in that darkness, and even they've disappointed greatly in that regard.
One of the main heroines of Succubus Tamer 2, becomes a sub-heroine in Lillith in Nightmare and she fucks the MC of both games. There were never any feelings there lol. And jesus their new offerings are legitimately terrible on that regard.
Regarding clarifying your position though Mm133.
Even I was confused by your initial wording. While it seemed like you were annoyed at the lack of love and romance, it felt more like you were frustrated by "submissive" protagonists, so I understand why Aesthetic replied the way he did, to break that notion especially when it comes to battlefuck.
Isn't that the appeal of Monster Girl Quest though?
Monster Girl Quest has awful girls, but it actually does have really good romance in it. Like... really good. To the point that the part 2 ending is an honest tearjerker.
Monster Girl Quest is not a battlefuck, but in that specific game's regard, I'd definitely recommend it to romance fans, and just say, "don't lose." Not only will you not want to because the game's chalk full of ugly hideous monstrosities, but you'll want to see the romance between the leads develop anyway.
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I don't want to sound like a broken record, but that game is stuffed to the gills with content I can't and won't just ignore.
" The mere presence of such disturbing things spoils the entire work for me. That's how I feel. " and all that!
That being said, I played the 3 mainline games like 8 years ago and yeah the main romance was at least decent (after the start).
Not my thing!
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On Bluesky, KC recently referred to the doujin market in this way:
"それにしても昔前向きな希望を与えてくれた二次元が、すっかり悪意と鬱屈の吹き溜まりみたいに変化してしまいましたよね…… "
" Even so, the two-dimensional world that used to give us positive hope has completely transformed into a cesspit of malice and frustration, hasn't it...? "
That may be the case in Doujin works, but the commercial market is still like 80% Pure love works!
We're even getting remakes of classic galge like Konnyaku (refine came out this month) with Circus having a Da Capo 1 remake coming up soon too!
It's just that if one exists within the "H-game" market rather than the "adv-game" market, it can seem like true love games are dead.
There are some solid Doujin guys still working, like Doubles core (koa?) and Jukkai games (the folks who made fall in labyrinth). and many others, so it's not truly as bad as all that.
Baobab isn't exactly my thing, but if you wanted a game with a more reverse rape tendency that still has lots of vanilla mutual sex, and nothing dark, his games are good. They are all the so called "totally happy" scenario, and the girls are all good people who aren't really doing any harm. Worst some of them deserve is a noogie, lol.. there's alot of 'lovey-dovey' scenes, but there's not really any actual romance, which is a shame as it'd fit these games well.
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(note that you'd need to play these games on Mtool if you can't read kanji, but they work very well on that software!)
And then I already recommended Cultivator in an earlier post, so watch that space. Lulu Farea is also getting a remake very soon.
This game was just announced, but sounds very promising:
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But yes, it's a shame isn't it?
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I disagree. Last time I checked, the professional market was just a cesspool of NTR.
Elf who got popular making bishoujo games transitioned entirely to NTR what feels like forever ago now.
Rance is literally the face of eroge. And he's an irredeemable piece of shit.
Soft Circle Couregges basically only does maledom rape and NTR now.
Softhouse Seal and Grandee are gone.
Eternal's gone.
Atelier Kaguya's like... the only professional eroge developer that's still alive that still feels like they put in work in their games and focus on vanilla.
But I am admitting that I am fully limited by my lack of Japanese. Any games I play from Japan are filtered by what MTool can handle, and MTool can't handle custom engines.
KC really spitting facts tho.
I feel like... Malice and Frustration are just... inherently more engaging online. People talk about NTR games.
It's crazy but people still talk about Princess Yoyo from Bahamut Lagoon cucking the MC in a SFW JRPG targeted at young audiences with cool dragons.
People talked more about Illusion games when they were ridiculously extreme with Rapelay.
This is probably the reason Elf made the shift they did? I don't know.
It's just that the marketing for those games goes easier when fans themselves are discussing the game and putting them into public consciousness vs games that are nice and vanilla just completely disappearing from discourse and losing attention.
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Now I'm honestly curious why it's so rare.
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Wait there's more encyclopedia games!?In that same message I also said the exact same thing I did in the one you are responding to: " but while I have no problems with girls taking the lead in lovey-dovey situations like MGE etc "
I don't see how that contradicts literally anything you are quoting?
The word masochist has become almost completely useless as a descriptive term, If a guy likes a girl who loves him giving him a blowjob thats "femdom" to some people, just like an enemy trying to sexually murder someone.. I should avoid using nebulous words that can mean entirely different things. When I say "I'm not a masochist", I don't mean that every sexual encounter has to be missionary sex with the guy doing the swinging (though If it's always one way without the girl feeling anything, in every damn encounter, that is just dumb) I mean I don't F with sex in which the guy is looked at like a piece of bait to be disposed of, or a mere toy without importance. Sorry if this caused confusion.
If by masochist we mean, as KC uses the term, the idea of a good hearted (though a bit horny
When I say Bitch coded, I mean erotica in which the purpose is to essentially revel in being blamed, not for the sake of light teasing from a girl who likes you, but being "destroyed" mentally and literally. I don't want to see 2d characters, whether its the mobs or the protag, suffer such ridiculous cruelty...
I think KC put MGE's Reverse Rape well when he said that it is not meant with a serious nuance, and that:
"We don't consider it creepy or with a denial of the dignity of man." Within such a framework, I have no complaints!
The only erotic content I like, is sex between people who love one another, care about each others wellbeing etc. It doesn't really matter to me who is leading it, as long as both are getting *into it* and it's not just total shameplay stuff. Beyond that it's just preference, but those are my bottom line. I don't really care If it's rape (either reverse or normal) as long as the active party has good intentions (I'm gonna marry them!) ex. Lulu Farea or MGE
If a hellhound pushes down her husband, I hail that shit! If 'you' push down your Alice wife, I hail that shit!
The thing that matters is love!
I played both of the Fallen Maiden MGE games and had no issues with them whatsoever. Great games and the second made a mf tear up a bit tbh.
If all those BF games you just listed had the same outcomes as this one, and if in a scenario sense the enemies weren't abhorrent people, I would have basically *no* problems with them beyond matters of mere preference.
You can say "win every fight and you don't have to worry about that" Well, if I don't play those games then I never have to worry about it!
The mere presence of such disturbing things spoils the entire work for me. That's how I feel.
I'll stick with commercial Eroges and the world of the Encyclopedia, where things are to my liking!
I hope all this rambling has clarified my position. And this is why I love MGE where to quote Cross-sensei "Love conquers all!"
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The H is not super engaging as it's all pixels, but the stories and romance (especially in the second one) are really good, you can find them on JAST USA or for torrent if that's your thing. I bought both.
KC worked on both and they have his stamp of approval.
Seeing this illustration again... I love how KC's succubi look so.. "evil?" like, they look so fucking threatening and dark, but then they're just wonderful girls... It's a rare flavor and I love it. Is this what they mean by "gap moe"?!?
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Well, made a post giving examples of many popular Doujin works which are centered around romance but it got taken down. Suffice it to say, while Harem and Romance titles aren't as dominant as they once were they still sell very highly and there are plenty of em, it's just that folks overlook them alot of the times when they are talking about the market.
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No worries. I appreciated the discussion.
I personally worry for Monster Girl Encyclopedia because of this by the way.
KC's whole thing is that his work is for everyone except cucks.
Heavy maledom rape? You got it, except it'll turn into pure love, just like the asshole who tried to rape the catgirl. The dude managed to find the one submissive catgirl and she made him love her.
Femdom rape? Happens pretty often, like the guy who got chased down and dragged into the forest. Obviously it'll turn into pure love cause of the setting, but the framing and actions still seem like reverse rape.
But gameplay wise, due to the way battles end, and with how combat is structured, it feels like he won't be able to do some things from the encyclopedia.
Like what are the full sub girls gonna even do like Umi Osho? What about the sleeping girl Dormouse? She literally can't act, only tempt. How's he gonna do mating press/missionary poses like he gave Holstaur? Like what's the girl gonna do on her turn?
Hell the whole weakness system is completely broken right now. If you get hit with a weakness the enemy gets to act again? Nonsense.
The way the demo's coded right now, the enemy girls rarely use your weakness for this reason. If we ever get a paizuri stance tho... the fuck are you supposed to do. etc etc.
It feels like KC's discovering himself sexually by designing the game, but he's also trying to make the game fit the mentality of "everyone can enjoy it(cept cucks)" And to me the game that comes out of that clash sounds like it'd be interesting. I really wanna see where he takes the game on a design level.
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There's alot of different ways for him to tackle these things, I don't think it's really a big deal (and I don't think he does either)
With characters like Dormouse, they could join your party through a different kind of event. We'll see how it plays out, but I am a bit curious as to what you mean by him "discovering himself sexually." 'Guys tastes are pretty well defined.
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I never said there weren't?
I'm saying I'm curious what route he's gonna take.
Are they though?
I feel like since MGE is so one-size fits all when it comes to sexual predilections, the way he chooses to explore the sexuality of the girls is gonna be reflective on his own interests.
There's no way he doesn't have preferences leaning one way or the other regardless of what the world says about accommodating to all types of men cept cucks.
Basically I can't tell KC's sexual preferences because he wants Monster Girls to be for everyone and therefore doesn't show any strong preference for anything.
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God I hated it when werecat did that, I don't wanna imagine holstaur abusing my weakness