I mean.. why would you talk about "fixing the story" with the 4th route if you haven't even seen the existing story?
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I mean.. why would you talk about "fixing the story" with the 4th route if you haven't even seen the existing story?
dont wanna look through the forum, what got uploaded/updated 2 hours ago? is it worth redownloading and stuff?
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He did care, the story just fell into the same trap a lot of stories that try to deal with morality fall into. The game assumes you're also a human for obvious reasons and thus understand his perspective of being pro-human. It's being anti-human, or in other words a misanthrope, that usually needs to be explained because it's the unnatural perspective for most.
The actual idea that's being played with is that monster girls preying on humans are no more evil than a wolf preying on a wounded deer calf. Nature is just nature, but from the perspective of an empathetic sapient species, it can only be defined as cruel. And oh boy, is it worse than many think. There are species that eat their own kids. Sea otters will hold theirs ransom to force mothers to give up their food, and they also rape baby seals. If the seals resist, they drown them first, then continue raping them.
What throws a wrench in this is that despite acting on their instincts, monsters in this game are mostly sapient too. That's why it's hard to feel sorry for them, but what Luka is doing is saying that acting on their instincts isn't inherently evil and that it would be to their benefit if they worked alongside humans to prevent needing to, then punish those that continue to hurt people justly the way we do with humans. Kinda of the vampire problem, with it being unrealistic for modern vampires to need to kill or really even harm humans, they could very easily coexist in the modern world if all they need is blood.
It's just really badly written, especially when it comes to kinks like vore which indicate an especially cruel monster (or angel) because it shouldn't be necessary for them. Luka definitely shouldn't be letting these monsters go. In a more realistic setting (which this isn't trying to be), Luka's realization that monsters are no different than humans would inherently also mean that they can choose to be just as heartlessly cruel and thus need to be stopped and punished.
Kind of long winded, but IMO the point is that Luka does care about humans. His whole thing is stopping the monsters after all. He just doesn't want to kill them, even if he should in some cases. From the perspective of other monsters though, his reluctance to see monsters as lesser beings and outright murder them says a lot of good things about him.
This contrasts with the traditional RPG "red is dead" where you kill enemies presented to you without question without stopping to consider you murdered people just because they were in the way. Maybe they were wronged, maybe the bandits were just starving civilians abandoned by their lords who are trying to survive (like many bandits historically were), and yes, they were criminals, but maybe not you-have-the-objective-right-to-apathetically-execute-them criminals.
But we don't think about that normally for good reason. Monster Girl Quest isn't a game meant to be taken all that seriously, obviously, but as-written Luka definitely does care about humans, even if it isn't always portrayed well in the attempt to 'humanize' monsters, literally and figuratively.
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i've already stated that my complaints are about part 1 and 2, i deduce by the lack of passion there is from the fans that part 3 isn't all they expected it to be, plus just the fact all 3 routes sound terrible writing decisions too me no matter the execution. Still, i never made a final opinion, only recognized the pattern of mediocre if not bad performance of part 1 and 2 to extend onto 3 which is what i always expected. People can predict writing and stories based on patterns, but on the off chance i was wrong, i havent said anything concrete about it.
That's why i also hoped that the 4th route could potentially be better, because it can fix the game's faults, almost like having the entire route be a bunch of retcons that makes the story actually bearable
Though as Desregaurd told me, that wasn't the case sadly, ill wait for translation and finish the game either way, as much as it the equivalent of eating unseasoned mashed potatos
It's practically never potrayed in paradox, especially by the end where it seems clear that the 2 sides who want luka to make the great decision are horrendusly awful, and luka doesn't show even a tiny bit of human emotion or worry for his entire world
HOLY FUCK ME JUST BY LOOKING AT THE RECOLLECTION SCREEN THERES SO MUCH MORE JEESUS!!
- Jun 24, 2018
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I haven't played through Paradox completely, so I can't disagree. It wouldn't surprise me though. Even from the start, Paradox felt like a big departure and the writing probably only suffered more and more from the long pauses between each part where the obvious focus seems to be on RPG mechanic juggling and scenes.i've already stated that my complaints are about part 1 and 2, i deduce by the lack of passion there is from the fans that part 3 isn't all they expected it to be, plus just the fact all 3 routes sound terrible writing decisions too me no matter the execution. Still, i never made a final opinion, only recognized the pattern of mediocre if not bad performance of part 1 and 2 to extend onto 3 which is what i always expected. People can predict writing and stories based on patterns, but on the off chance i was wrong, i havent said anything concrete about it.
That's why i also hoped that the 4th route could potentially be better, because it can fix the game's faults, almost like having the entire route be a bunch of retcons that makes the story actually bearable
Though as Desregaurd told me, that wasn't the case sadly, ill wait for translation and finish the game either way, as much as it the equivalent of eating unseasoned mashed potatos
It's practically never potrayed in paradox, especially by the end where it seems clear that the 2 sides who want luka to make the great decision are horrendusly awful, and luka doesn't show even a tiny bit of human emotion or worry for his entire world
Of course, it wouldn't be the first case of someone accidentally hitting the lighting in a bottle and then misunderstanding why people liked their work so much while blindly wandering off in the opposite direction. A lot of big, fat, weighty works also tend to topple towards their endings, arms flailing as they warble in fright instead of hitting perfect landings.
Not trying to make any excuses here, even from the start I liked Paradox less than MGQ and that still hasn't changed even though I've warmed up to it, but I'm just saying that I'm not really surprised.
The writer(s) probably wrote himself into a narrative corner while trying to continuously raise the stakes. Sucks it gets to that point from what you're saying...
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Okay thanks. I was wondering whether I should bother downloading it. But if it includes part three, then does that mean it's translated even if an early MTL?
Or what? A partial?
stupid moderators.
someone should upload a merged version
because the links in the op are not the full game
apparently Yoloswagking already done it
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In my opinion the mtool translation is ok. Of course your brain is going to get fucked on thing like the gender or people (Luka is a She during some dialogue) and some words but I cleaned alice and Ilias path with no problem. Both of these path are more like railroad that you follow so the translation didn't fight against you. The 3rd way is more like Zelda where you can fly anywhere and get fuck a lot but it's fun.
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In my opinion it's better to download one of these link to get at least the translation from part 2+demo imported inside the game part 3 and use the mtool folder to launch the game so you can have an OK translation. (in my opinion between waiting 2 years for the human translation and playing with the translator I take the 2nd option)
https://f95zone.to/threads/monster-...-v3-00-torotoro-resistance.1766/post-15329559