ArsenHumby

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What a sin, confusing stepmom with mom with so many VNs with incest, try not to seem too desperate to try to find fault. There is NTR with the "step"mom and Lily.

You are the one who chooses to apply the reasoning for VNs in a simple real world situation, they have nothing to do with each other, don't mix them up.
We are going offtopic with this repeated argument.
Suuuure for the sake of not making a big annoying argument lets say I'm the white knight defending the game and you are the person that is always right like every time this arguments pops in game forums. You win this one powerful lord
 
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VermillioN

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May 4, 2017
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Is there a option to skip or choose the chapter? Game is getting big and still really confusing to pick the routes
 

Chalker

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if we go by your reasoning me having a crush on someone but she starts a relationship with another dude is ntr.
That is literally the premise of over half of NTR doujinshi.
NTR isn't literally one to one western cuckoldry
It just means having someone stolen from you, having your crush stolen from you is NTR.
 
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tim7666

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Jul 24, 2017
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Did someone know how to unlock the new gallery pic from chapter 1 (=Page 6 of it, the fourth pic) it's suppose to be a second Slave Ending if i'm right ? It's the only one I miss.
 
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Andrealphus

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There is no forced NTR in this game i stand by my statement and i don't care about haters opinions on this :)
And NO i don't count one off scenes with GIRLS as NTR only with other men, you can disagree with me but that's how it is counted in my games.
Have a nice day.
 

Shizunae

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You guys are unironically making my head spin, can i just have please the open way of communication what kind of "ntr" there is here? is it netori, netorase or netorare and if its a culmination of those, are they openly avoidable? I can not be bothered to sift through a game to get disappointed at the end
 

hurz47

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Dec 1, 2017
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What a great game, i feel bad for avoiding it for so long, i just didn't think this would be my cup of tea.
But hell(*lol) was i wrong.

Frist of all let me say, the game got me hooked hard to the point that i will support the dev.

What makes this game so good?
A lot of interessting paths to choose and go through the game/story.


At first it feels very grindy/hard to unlock paths, but once you get the hang of it, all makes a lot more sense.

For a small breakdown:
Cap1: loving/caring answers unlock the girlfriend path; sub/letting lily take the lead unlocks the queen path; dom/egoistic answers unlock the sub/slave path für lily.
Cap2: caring/kindness adds points to Blandine; beeing cruel/egoistic adds to Macaria
Cap3: Siding with characters adds points to them

Into this progression come the onetime choices which unlock additional content like NTR/Futa/Futa on Male (all optional)
As well as some rare dialog options, that will progress the story or unlock new options within scenes.

I had a lot of fun, trying to unlock all of the gallery.
The Story itself is nothing new, but still compelling to want to see its progression and hopefully conclusion.


Artstyle and animation are very nice.
The voice acting fits perfect and really enhances the experience, i hope they can keep this consistent, cuz we all know, it eats up a lot of the budget.
The game has a lot of content.


One thing a wish they would improve on, is that the gallery only unlocks the Art/Animations, not the dialog of scenes itself.
But at least you have a lot of save slots to make your own "gallery"

The first post needs a huge update for the "genres" this game actually has, because a lot of people will simple miss out on this game, not knowing what they could get. For example there is a decent amount of Futa on Male scenes within the game and most likely more to come, for people that enjoy that kind of content.


Sorry for the long post, but sometime you overlook a gem within all these abandoned/zero content games out there and you just have to spread the word.


PS: typos are yours to keep
 
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Mommysbuttslut

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Not really and this last update was 4 NTR scenes (2 Futa Lily with stepmom and 2 with dad with Lily) while the MC only had kisses.

It's not just any "girl" it's the MC's mom and the scene is written like NTR. And even if she wasn't the MC's mom, she is an LI that the MC can show interest in.
Otherwise all those childhood friend stories wouldn't be NTR and the same with many others.
Then don't enable futa if you don't like it :rolleyes:
The game makes it pretty clear that the futa choices are either futa on female or futa on male.
The only NTR in that scene is Lily cucking MC's dad. Y'all are being ridiculous, like normal.
 

beerpig

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Here's an earlier version of the simple guide that I promised.
So far it's only for the first two chapters, I'll update it with the third chapter once I take my sweet time exploring every nook and cranny of that part of the game.
Feedback is welcome, specially on how to organise this info.

EDIT: had to convert the guide to .PDF to avoid the box drawing characters looking funky. Should be fine now, but do tell me if it's looking weird for you guys.
 
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Sean Poon

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Jun 22, 2018
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Saw the tags, got interested, decided to try.
Did 3 playthroughs.

First one - I tried playing nice and caring MC, respecting the demon but i got 0 NTR.
Second one - Tried being more perverted and kinda "asshole" i guess, got some school NTR and father one. (tentacle as well)
Third one - Same thing being asshole but this time its work, also got some NTR and father one. ( also tentacle)

Not the kind of NTR i had in mind, being a pimp.
Why cant he still get NTR in the first playthrough if hes being nice and not so controlling.

Game said theres polyamory but i saw none or it wasnt truly a polyamory one, dev maybe got it wrong.

It seems to me theres like 2 paths, being an asshole - NTR or just loving romance with demon without NTR

I did like the father NTR but it left me unsatisfied at the end cuz i didnt like the experience overall.
Im willing to give this game one more update to change my mind to see where this game could be going in what direction.

Particularly i wanna know does she just cheat with father behind MC's back or he decided to share and help him out or they enter a polyamory relationships so she loves both of them. Its enough to make me keep playing the game lol

I'd like to hear dev's insight on this if hes got anything to share
The dev's other game (Love and Sex second base) has an NTR character in it and it is the worst person and version of that kink. A soul-less gold digger who lies and cheats on you and tells you it's what you want. This dev has no idea what NTR/sharing or polyamoury is or looks like in a relationship or in a fantasy. I gave up on him awhile ago.
 

BlackJoey

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May 10, 2023
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Not saying I entirely agree.
Though at the same time, it doesn't make it any sense for a game to supposedly have a sharing route but then the MC can't actually be involved in any scenes he can't participate in any of the gangbangs or group scenes? There's practically no difference between that and an NTR route.
 
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Andrealphus

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Not saying I entirely agree.
Though at the same time, it doesn't make it any sense for a game to supposedly have a sharing route but then the MC can't actually be involved in any scenes he can't participate in any of the gangbangs or group scenes? There's practically no difference between that and an NTR route.
The MC is involved in 90% of the sex scenes in the game, including most of the group scenes.
 

rrr@rrr

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May 27, 2021
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Maybe we should add a little dialogue about how Adam is okay with Lily having sex with other women.This will give the player a greater sense of control in the game.
 

Jester35

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The game is incredibly good and the art is amazing, but like other people are saying here, that NTR scene of Lily with your stepmom feels out of the blue, specially on a playthrough where I'm devoting to Lily. It makes no sense.

Someone else said that the key to not trigger this relationship is to scold Lily when she is complimenting your step-mom, which is great to know, but it is absolutely counter intuitive, because what you do on that scene is saying that Lily is right and you start complimenting your step-mom too.
Edit: I tried to scold her but it didn't change the outcome. No matter if you scold her or not, she cucks you there with your step-mom. Definitely it makes no sense whatsoever on my playthrough.

If anything, the choice hints that you are open to have something with your step-mom, rather than Lily suddenly cucking you.




That said, I want to stress that the game is incredibly good and the art is amazing, and this is the only problem I found on a so far incredible experience. Just a question, is there an update walkthrough? I tried to search but only found a walkthrought for a little bit of chapter 1
 

tim7666

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Jul 24, 2017
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Here's an earlier version of the simple guide that I promised.
So far it's only for the first two chapters, I'll update it with the third chapter once I take my sweet time exploring every nook and cranny of that part of the game.
Feedback is welcome, specially on how to organise this info.

EDIT: had to convert the guide to .PDF to avoid the box drawing characters looking funky. Should be fine now, but do tell me if it's looking weird for you guys.
Did you manage to unlock the new gallery pic from chapter 1, the fourth pic of Page 6 ? if yes, where is it in your guide? (if i'm right it's suppose to be a second Slave Ending).
 
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