TheDuke9999
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when i play any VN i look at the facts , everything in a story or even real life is a choice . plain an simple . look at the wifes choices .. what do they tell you?
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You got me. But that doesn't completely nullify the possibility that the tattoo carries.
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Anyone who says that Hutch is a cuck loses all credibility in conversations here with me.
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well then if he isnt a cuck then he is a loser who is prostituting his wife out to keep his job.. he loves her so much he is literally giving his wife to his boss instead of fighting to keep his wife.. an you know what i personally thank hutch either way cause he just turned his wife into the biggest hoe around an she is hot hoe.
Though I would be more willing to accept that interpretation, it's not like this is what Hutch wanted his wife to do. He repeatedly told Vivian through text and at home that he did not want her to accompany him to the boss' home. He continued to express misgivings about her being around his boss on the way there, and even at one point after arriving, he commented that he did not want to grovel for his job and suggested leaving. And he obviously did not foresee that his wife would offer herself to his boss and was devastated by witnessing this happen.
As for him being a loser, I suppose it's possible he may lose his wife and would be a loser in that sense. However, it's a matter of debate how much of his fault that would be, and I would not say he is a loser in general. Sure, he had problems at work, but he must have held a steady job throughout his decades of marriage and raising a son. He did not actively try to put his wife in a situation that would lead to exposing her latent vulnerability. He did not choose for her to do what she did; she made that choice for them.
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Absolutely nothing in the story so far points to this. Is is quite clear beyond doubt, Hutch is not getting any enjoyment out of this predicament. The pain and disgust is quite evident in his actions and interactions towards Vivian.
Things might change further on regarding this, although I don't think so. We shall see what the Dev has install for us.
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She did not offer herself as much as she let herself to be taken by the boss. And of course he grasped every step of that process sitting next to it and doing nothing. Do you think he didn't know what it meant to "show the wife the house" while he had to sit there and do his humiliating homework?
Being a cuck doesn't only mean planning to offer your wife but also letting her being taken while you are present, saying and doing nothing, not even distancing yourself and leaving. This is what a cuck is, somebody who lets this happen to his girl or wife without even protesting and accepting it later for future events. If we don't call it what it is,, the word loses it's meaning.
Besides I don't see any reason to hesitate calling him that. We can try to understand it psychologically. Weeks ago I wrote a lenthy post here doing just that.
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i agree with everything you just said. but how many times did he have a chance to stop it? how many times could he have told his wife he knows and make her stop? at the beginning she made all the choices and was in charge but somehow, for some reason in the end hutch was the man of the house when he decided to let her bang his boss from now on. isnt that funny ? its all on him .. he gave her away without any kind of fight and will reap the pain of losing his wife.....
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As I said, I already wrote here about that, sort of defending him in a way psychologically against a lot of people who reacted with a lot of contempt here in the first days after the game dropped. Of course I respect your opinion, but I suspect, that there is a reluctance to call a spade a spade maybe because you want to see chances for the couple or for his redemption or out of pity for him etc. I try not to be influenced by that.
And to just say, he couldn't have foreseen anything, I think that underestimates the complex perceptions you have in such situations where you subconsciously catch every vibe and are hyper vigilant. Again I have to defend him here: he is not stupid he is not insensitive. Of course he gets it and that brings all the more pain (and is good writing).
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hutch is thinking by letting his wife enjoy better sex with another man that his wife will stay .. first mistake. love an sex go hand in hand . the boss is there to conquer and hutch is just to weak of a man to stop it . he wont admit yet but divorce is coming an they both know it. they are just trying to hold on to what the boss has now destroyed and that is there marriage .. plain and simple
Yes, I think this is right for the latter phase, their conversation after the fact. Either it is a delusional attempt to rescue, as you say, or it is simply resignation, accepting his fate.
Yes, he eventually came to that shocking decision at their home after he was out and about thinking about it, and speaking for myself it's not something I would ever agree to doing. However, not everyone would think about it the way I do, and I believe that he was genuine when he said he came to that decision because he feared losing his wife (who he loves). Of course, we could argue that he is giving his wife permission to continue down a path of potentially no return, but at the same time she repeatedly chose to have sex with his boss without his permission and in contradiction with her own words/assurances and better judgment. So maybe he came to the conclusion that it is out of his hands regardless and thus told her that what she does or does not do is up to her, as that is what she has been doing anyway.
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Can't get away from the Edgar allen poe poem. A dream within a dream. Edgar allen poe was known for dark poetry. What if it is a dream but not a regular dream. What if it is a deadmans dream. While they were fucking Hutch killed himself and he is dying on the floor while there out there. Story has been ridiculous and just out there. The dream is from a mind of chaos that is ending. That would account for some of the odd things that just don't make sense. Just my opinion.
TheDuke9999 and Dealbreaker, despite what I said earlier about calling Hutch a cuck and losing credibility for it, I think that where we mainly differ on this issue is how we define what a cuck is. Now that we are speaking more about it, I am enjoying the conversation here. So perhaps I was too quick to say what I said without considering that we may differ on what we consider to be a cuck. I place my bar a bit higher than the two of you do. To be called a cuck, I believe that a person has to show a pattern of this kind of behavior. This is not what I am seeing so far in relation to Hutch and Vivian being thrust into a desperate situation that led to her having sex with his boss.
The Duke9999, I would say that love and sex are often closely connected, but I would not say that love and sex go hand in hand. Regardless, yes, allowing one's partner to have sex with another person does introduce risk of emotional attachment developing with others.
The Duke9999, I would say that love and sex are often closely connected, but I would not say that love and sex go hand in hand. Regardless, yes, allowing one's partner to have sex with another person does introduce risk of emotional attachment developing with others.