VN Ren'Py My Husband's Boss [Ch.2] [SC Stories]

[Dealbreaker]

And he obviously did not foresee that his wife would offer herself to his boss and was devastated by witnessing this happen.

She did not offer herself as much as she let herself to be taken by the boss. And of course he grasped every step of that process sitting next to it and doing nothing. Do you think he didn't know what it meant to "show the wife the house" while he had to sit there and do his humiliating homework?
Being a cuck doesn't only mean planning to offer your wife but also letting her being taken while you are present, saying and doing nothing, not even distancing yourself and leaving. This is what a cuck is, somebody who lets this happen to his girl or wife without even protesting and accepting it later for future events. If we don't call it what it is,, the word loses it's meaning.

Besides I don't see any reason to hesitate calling him that. We can try to understand it psychologically. Weeks ago I wrote a lenthy post here doing just that.

 

[psychedevil]

I think you're oversimplifying and jumping to conclusions.

 

[TheDuke9999]

Though I would be more willing to accept that interpretation, it's not like this is what Hutch wanted his wife to do. He repeatedly told Vivian through text and at home that he did not want her to accompany him to the boss' home. He continued to express misgivings about her being around his boss on the way there, and even at one point after arriving, he commented that he did not want to grovel for his job and suggested leaving. And he obviously did not foresee that his wife would offer herself to his boss and was devastated by witnessing this happen.

As for him being a loser, I suppose it's possible he may lose his wife and would be a loser in that sense. However, it's a matter of debate how much of his fault that would be, and I would not say he is a loser in general. Sure, he had problems at work, but he must have held a steady job throughout his decades of marriage and raising a son. He did not actively try to put his wife in a situation that would lead to exposing her latent vulnerability. He did not choose for her to do what she did; she made that choice for them.

i agree with everything you just said. but how many times did he have a chance to stop it? how many times could he have told his wife he knows and make her stop? at the beginning she made all the choices and was in charge but somehow, for some reason in the end hutch was the man of the house when he decided to let her bang his boss from now on. isnt that funny ? its all on him .. he gave her away without any kind of fight and will reap the pain of losing his wife.....

 

[Dealbreaker]

I think you're oversimplifying and jumping to conclusions.

As I said, I already wrote here about that, sort of defending him in a way psychologically against a lot of people who reacted with a lot of contempt here in the first days after the game dropped. Of course I respect your opinion, but I suspect, that there is a reluctance to call a spade a spade maybe because you want to see chances for the couple or for his redemption or out of pity for him etc. I try not to be influenced by that.
And to just say, he couldn't have foreseen anything, I think that underestimates the complex perceptions you have in such situations where you subconsciously catch every vibe and are hyper vigilant. Again I have to defend him here: he is not stupid he is not insensitive. Of course he gets it and that brings all the more pain (and is good writing).

 

[TheDuke9999]

As I said, I already wrote here about that, sort of defending him in a way psychologically against a lot of people who reacted with a lot of contempt here in the first days after the game dropped. Of course I respect your opinion, but I suspect, that there is a reluctance to call a spade a spade maybe because you want to see chances for the couple or for his redemption or out of pity for him etc. I try not to be influenced by that.
And to just say, he couldn't have foreseen anything, I think that underestimates the complex perceptions you have in such situations where you subconsciously catch every vibe and are hyper vigilant. Again I have to defend him here: he is not stupid he is not insensitive. Of course he gets it and that brings all the more pain (and is good writing).

hutch is thinking by letting his wife enjoy better sex with another man that his wife will stay .. first mistake. love an sex go hand in hand . the boss is there to conquer and hutch is just to weak of a man to stop it . he wont admit yet but divorce is coming an they both know it. they are just trying to hold on to what the boss has now destroyed and that is there marriage .. plain and simple

 

[Dealbreaker]

Yes, I think this is right for the latter phase, their conversation after the fact. Either it is a delusional attempt to rescue, as you say, or it is simply resignation, accepting his fate.

 

[psychedevil]

i agree with everything you just said. but how many times did he have a chance to stop it? how many times could he have told his wife he knows and make her stop? at the beginning she made all the choices and was in charge but somehow, for some reason in the end hutch was the man of the house when he decided to let her bang his boss from now on. isnt that funny ? its all on him .. he gave her away without any kind of fight and reap the pain of losing his wife.....

Yes, he eventually came to that shocking decision at their home after he was out and about thinking about it, and speaking for myself it's not something I would ever agree to doing. However, not everyone would think about it the way I do, and I believe that he was genuine when he said he came to that decision because he feared losing his wife (who he loves). Of course, we could argue that he is giving his wife permission to continue down a path of potentially no return, but at the same time she repeatedly chose to have sex with his boss without his permission and in contradiction with her own words/assurances and better judgment. So maybe he came to the conclusion that it is out of his hands regardless and thus told her that what she does or does not do is up to her, as that is what she has been doing anyway.

 

[Adhdclassic]

Can't get away from the Edgar allen poe poem. A dream within a dream. Edgar allen poe was known for dark poetry. What if it is a dream but not a regular dream. What if it is a deadmans dream. While they were fucking Hutch killed himself and he is dying on the floor while there out there. Story has been ridiculous and just out there. The dream is from a mind of chaos that is ending. That would account for some of the odd things that just don't make sense. Just my opinion.

 

[psychedevil]

TheDuke9999 and Dealbreaker, despite what I said earlier about calling Hutch a cuck and losing credibility for it, I think that where we mainly differ on this issue is how we define what a cuck is. Now that we are speaking more about it, I am enjoying the conversation here. So perhaps I was too quick to say what I said without considering that we may differ on what we consider to be a cuck. I place my bar a bit higher than the two of you do. To be called a cuck, I believe that a person has to show a pattern of this kind of behavior. This is not what I am seeing so far in relation to Hutch and Vivian being thrust into a desperate situation that led to her having sex with his boss.

The Duke9999, I would say that love and sex are often closely connected, but I would not say that love and sex go hand in hand. Regardless, yes, allowing one's partner to have sex with another person does introduce risk of emotional attachment developing with others.

 

[Dealbreaker]

Pleasant way to conduct a conversation and solving differences and rather rare in some other threads.

 

[psychedevil]

I too am curious about how the poem will tie in to the story, as it could have more or less weight and is open to interpretation.

 

[Luc77]

Pleasant way to conduct a conversation and solving differences and rather rare in some other threads.

the level of this story requires an adequate conversation

I too am curious about how the poem will tie in to the story, as it could have more or less weight and is open to interpretation.

or it's just an intriguing tattoo

the interpretation is simple - either the events are reality or just a dream
nothing more, nothing less

 

[Hattyrulz]

for some reason in the end hutch was the man of the house when he decided to let her bang his boss from now on. isnt that funny ? its all on him .. he gave her away without any kind of fight and reap the pain of losing his wife.....

you seem to be missing the push and pull dialogue going on in that conversation between them. at first he pushes vivian saying do it since she said she was a big girl whichs a dialogue which was the starting to all of this from happening. then he goes on to state let him be the man of the house and give her a way out option saying do it don't do it its her choice. as she didnt listen to all the signs and signals he was giving her since the start of the disaster. it is not giving away more like giving her the option of saying no but she still makes the wrong decision. she always makes the wrong choices and thinks they are right since the start of the vn. your approach also is one way of interpretting it. and we will only know what theories are right or wrong from the next update as its all about vivian's mindset. based on how deep the dev will dive into this will explain a lot of the questions raised about vivian. in relation to hutch for now he is a cuck not other way of phrasing it... but not always the case... i hope.

that there is a reluctance to call a spade a spade maybe because you want to see chances for the couple or for his redemption or out of pity for him etc. I try not to be influenced by that.

have to agree but there is always that one straw that breaks the camel's back... i maybe butchering this phrase...he is a cuck for now in the vn... will he be the same till the end of the vn is my question. people have been rating this vn with high ratings cos its influencing them as they read the vn. we are all affected in some way or the other... that's just being human. im not defending hutch here. how this situation will change hutch(or not change) will be only known after the dev does the hutch mindset based update which is update 3 with some story involved. so for now yes he is what he is. and that is what psychedevil is speculating about .... i think...

he wont admit yet but divorce is coming an they both know it. they are just trying to hold on what the boss has now destroyed and that is there marriage .. plain and simple

thats most common in the ntr genre but the dev has give us(me) false hope saying there is a twist. what you said is absolutely true in real life... but this is a vn. i have read many such overlaps between game and real world logic in this thread and the debates it has spawned and that's what gets most of the readers. i like good endings so keeping fingers crossed. this vn has no choices so there is less variables with each update release. by the end of update 4 we will most likely theorise the conclusion in this thread from how the dev named each update's title/objective.

PS: regarding the tattoo it might have something to do with the story... the eapoe tattoo. as the other tattoo might get a explanation next update. take it with big pinch of salt.

 

[psychedevil]

or it's just an intriguing tattoo

the interpretation is simple - either the events are reality or just a dream
nothing more, nothing less

Yes, you are right about the straightforward interpretation. Besides what you said being true (that the poem may not have much significance), I suppose I meant that the way in which its meaning is manifested in the story can differ.

 

[Adhdclassic]

For me Hutch was never a Cuck. He was a broken man 22yr marriage gone literally before his eyes his soul was destroyed. He was already teetering on the edge all in I believe 48hrs his life was completely nuked. Think that's why I feel for Hutch.

 

[Hattyrulz]

Yes, you are right about the straightforward interpretation. Besides what you said being true (that the poem may not have much significance), I suppose I meant that the way in which its meaning is manifested in the story can differ.

dunno if you have read some of the older messages i asked the same question and posted my version of how it may be implemented and there were some other theories by other members as well about the eapoe tattoo.

For me Hutch was never a Cuck. He was a broken man 22yr marriage gone literally before his eyes his soul was destroyed. He was already teetering on the edge all in I believe 48hrs his life was completely nuked. Think that's why I feel for Hutch.

story wise for now he is a cuck from how the dev shows hutch in this update. i don't like to label it as such but thats how its shown.

 

[X|Mortis]

hutch is thinking by letting his wife enjoy better sex with another man that his wife will stay

I think the concern here in taking that approach will be Vivian's acclimation towards being more sexually intimate with Christian due to her getting that implied free pass from Hutch.

Eventually, she will become more comfortable in Chris's presence and as a result, it will be seen as 'business as usual' for her and Chris.

Hutch certainly does exhibit a lot of the qualities of what a stereotypical representation of a cuck would look like. Being submissive and a natural yes man sort of a person, not questioning Christian's directives or politely interjecting in conversations between Chris/Vivian when he knows deep down that Chris's behaviour towards his wife is not appropriate at all given that Hutch is Vivian's husband. As an example, when Chris gets too touchy/feely/gropy with Vivian right in front of Hutch, he is looking to fish for a reaction out of Hutch, and when Hutch doesn't so much as bat an eyelash at what Chris is doing to his wife right in front of his own eyes, then Chris got the green light to continue such behaviour in-front of Hutch without fearing for reprisal of any sort from the latter.

but I would not say that love and sex go hand in hand. Regardless, yes, allowing one's partner to have sex with another person does introduce risk of emotional attachment developing with others

In the initial stages of Vivian and Chris's interactions, we rarely see the former displaying any sort of genuine affection for Chris. At-least not yet. It's moreso the case that Vivian is being strung along for the ride, but eventually it might be the case that Vivian will come to appreciate and like the attention/daringness that she comes to expect from Chris, that she had wanted Hutch to fulfill that role, but since Hutch is not quite in the position to reciprocate those feelings of domination/daringness, and their sex life appears to have grown stale over the years, she turns to Christian to compensate for that gap in their relationship between her and Hutch.

Over time, Vivian could continue to put up the charade that she is only doing this with Hutch's best interests in mind, but I think we can all safely agree that there is an unspoken ulterior motive as well to explain why Vivian is continuing the tit for tat between her and Christian and not outrightly leaving the relationship altogether.

 

[SPH96]

Hello, when will the update come? I am waiting with great excitement.

 

[Hattyrulz]

Over time, Vivian could continue to put up the charade that she is only doing this with Hutch's best interests in mind, but I think we can all safely agree that there is an unspoken ulterior motive as well to explain why Vivian is continuing the tit for tat between her and Christian and not outrightly leaving the relationship altogether.

you have missed out some of the the reactions hutch has has during the vn... like the floodgates to the dam are going to burst open. it all hutch repressing his anger as well in some situations. its like blink and you miss kinda scenes. regarding vivian being strung along, thats open to speculation as she is shown enjoying the ride in the animations with the way she reacts. and that's repeated in the bathroom scene as well... she is slowly feeling comfortable being with chris and in the car park scene when christian hugs vivian she accepts it like he is her lover she was missing all the years of marriage( just a view not a definitive fact) so as psychedevil said there is no way just letting the wife has free pass is not going to help the marriage. it will slowly warp he affection from hutch to christian the more it continues.

and coming to your theory its possible... not a wild theory as she can use it breakup her marriage and end up with christian. as it will build on what i have said above. just like you and some other members have been speculating.

 

[joao alves xavier]

Yes, he eventually came to that shocking decision at their home after he was out and about thinking about it, and speaking for myself it's not something I would ever agree to doing. However, not everyone would think about it the way I do, and I believe that he was genuine when he said he came to that decision because he feared losing his wife (who he loves). Of course, we could argue that he is giving his wife permission to continue down a path of potentially no return, but at the same time she repeatedly chose to have sex with his boss without his permission and in contradiction with her own words/assurances and better judgment. So maybe he came to the conclusion that it is out of his hands regardless and thus told her that what she does or does not do is up to her, as that is what she has been doing anyway.

Yes, I agree that he concluded that this is out of his hands. Hutch tried to hide his wife for 6 years and I think it is not only because he is insecure, but also because he knows that there is something wrong with his wife. Maybe because he thought she would cheat. And, indeed, Vivian only needed a little extra "push", "just outside in the table in his boss's house". We will know for sure in the next installments. I love this game, thanks dev.