VN Ren'Py My Husband's Boss [Ch.2] [SC Stories]

[Dealbreaker]

Pleasant way to conduct a conversation and solving differences and rather rare in some other threads.

 

[psychedevil]

I too am curious about how the poem will tie in to the story, as it could have more or less weight and is open to interpretation.

 

[Luc77]

Pleasant way to conduct a conversation and solving differences and rather rare in some other threads.

the level of this story requires an adequate conversation

I too am curious about how the poem will tie in to the story, as it could have more or less weight and is open to interpretation.

or it's just an intriguing tattoo

the interpretation is simple - either the events are reality or just a dream
nothing more, nothing less

 

[Hattyrulz]

for some reason in the end hutch was the man of the house when he decided to let her bang his boss from now on. isnt that funny ? its all on him .. he gave her away without any kind of fight and reap the pain of losing his wife.....

you seem to be missing the push and pull dialogue going on in that conversation between them. at first he pushes vivian saying do it since she said she was a big girl whichs a dialogue which was the starting to all of this from happening. then he goes on to state let him be the man of the house and give her a way out option saying do it don't do it its her choice. as she didnt listen to all the signs and signals he was giving her since the start of the disaster. it is not giving away more like giving her the option of saying no but she still makes the wrong decision. she always makes the wrong choices and thinks they are right since the start of the vn. your approach also is one way of interpretting it. and we will only know what theories are right or wrong from the next update as its all about vivian's mindset. based on how deep the dev will dive into this will explain a lot of the questions raised about vivian. in relation to hutch for now he is a cuck not other way of phrasing it... but not always the case... i hope.

that there is a reluctance to call a spade a spade maybe because you want to see chances for the couple or for his redemption or out of pity for him etc. I try not to be influenced by that.

have to agree but there is always that one straw that breaks the camel's back... i maybe butchering this phrase...he is a cuck for now in the vn... will he be the same till the end of the vn is my question. people have been rating this vn with high ratings cos its influencing them as they read the vn. we are all affected in some way or the other... that's just being human. im not defending hutch here. how this situation will change hutch(or not change) will be only known after the dev does the hutch mindset based update which is update 3 with some story involved. so for now yes he is what he is. and that is what psychedevil is speculating about .... i think...

he wont admit yet but divorce is coming an they both know it. they are just trying to hold on what the boss has now destroyed and that is there marriage .. plain and simple

thats most common in the ntr genre but the dev has give us(me) false hope saying there is a twist. what you said is absolutely true in real life... but this is a vn. i have read many such overlaps between game and real world logic in this thread and the debates it has spawned and that's what gets most of the readers. i like good endings so keeping fingers crossed. this vn has no choices so there is less variables with each update release. by the end of update 4 we will most likely theorise the conclusion in this thread from how the dev named each update's title/objective.

PS: regarding the tattoo it might have something to do with the story... the eapoe tattoo. as the other tattoo might get a explanation next update. take it with big pinch of salt.

 

[psychedevil]

or it's just an intriguing tattoo

the interpretation is simple - either the events are reality or just a dream
nothing more, nothing less

Yes, you are right about the straightforward interpretation. Besides what you said being true (that the poem may not have much significance), I suppose I meant that the way in which its meaning is manifested in the story can differ.

 

[Adhdclassic]

For me Hutch was never a Cuck. He was a broken man 22yr marriage gone literally before his eyes his soul was destroyed. He was already teetering on the edge all in I believe 48hrs his life was completely nuked. Think that's why I feel for Hutch.

 

[Hattyrulz]

Yes, you are right about the straightforward interpretation. Besides what you said being true (that the poem may not have much significance), I suppose I meant that the way in which its meaning is manifested in the story can differ.

dunno if you have read some of the older messages i asked the same question and posted my version of how it may be implemented and there were some other theories by other members as well about the eapoe tattoo.

For me Hutch was never a Cuck. He was a broken man 22yr marriage gone literally before his eyes his soul was destroyed. He was already teetering on the edge all in I believe 48hrs his life was completely nuked. Think that's why I feel for Hutch.

story wise for now he is a cuck from how the dev shows hutch in this update. i don't like to label it as such but thats how its shown.

 

[X|Mortis]

hutch is thinking by letting his wife enjoy better sex with another man that his wife will stay

I think the concern here in taking that approach will be Vivian's acclimation towards being more sexually intimate with Christian due to her getting that implied free pass from Hutch.

Eventually, she will become more comfortable in Chris's presence and as a result, it will be seen as 'business as usual' for her and Chris.

Hutch certainly does exhibit a lot of the qualities of what a stereotypical representation of a cuck would look like. Being submissive and a natural yes man sort of a person, not questioning Christian's directives or politely interjecting in conversations between Chris/Vivian when he knows deep down that Chris's behaviour towards his wife is not appropriate at all given that Hutch is Vivian's husband. As an example, when Chris gets too touchy/feely/gropy with Vivian right in front of Hutch, he is looking to fish for a reaction out of Hutch, and when Hutch doesn't so much as bat an eyelash at what Chris is doing to his wife right in front of his own eyes, then Chris got the green light to continue such behaviour in-front of Hutch without fearing for reprisal of any sort from the latter.

but I would not say that love and sex go hand in hand. Regardless, yes, allowing one's partner to have sex with another person does introduce risk of emotional attachment developing with others

In the initial stages of Vivian and Chris's interactions, we rarely see the former displaying any sort of genuine affection for Chris. At-least not yet. It's moreso the case that Vivian is being strung along for the ride, but eventually it might be the case that Vivian will come to appreciate and like the attention/daringness that she comes to expect from Chris, that she had wanted Hutch to fulfill that role, but since Hutch is not quite in the position to reciprocate those feelings of domination/daringness, and their sex life appears to have grown stale over the years, she turns to Christian to compensate for that gap in their relationship between her and Hutch.

Over time, Vivian could continue to put up the charade that she is only doing this with Hutch's best interests in mind, but I think we can all safely agree that there is an unspoken ulterior motive as well to explain why Vivian is continuing the tit for tat between her and Christian and not outrightly leaving the relationship altogether.

 

[SPH96]

Hello, when will the update come? I am waiting with great excitement.

 

[Hattyrulz]

Over time, Vivian could continue to put up the charade that she is only doing this with Hutch's best interests in mind, but I think we can all safely agree that there is an unspoken ulterior motive as well to explain why Vivian is continuing the tit for tat between her and Christian and not outrightly leaving the relationship altogether.

you have missed out some of the the reactions hutch has has during the vn... like the floodgates to the dam are going to burst open. it all hutch repressing his anger as well in some situations. its like blink and you miss kinda scenes. regarding vivian being strung along, thats open to speculation as she is shown enjoying the ride in the animations with the way she reacts. and that's repeated in the bathroom scene as well... she is slowly feeling comfortable being with chris and in the car park scene when christian hugs vivian she accepts it like he is her lover she was missing all the years of marriage( just a view not a definitive fact) so as psychedevil said there is no way just letting the wife has free pass is not going to help the marriage. it will slowly warp he affection from hutch to christian the more it continues.

and coming to your theory its possible... not a wild theory as she can use it breakup her marriage and end up with christian. as it will build on what i have said above. just like you and some other members have been speculating.

 

[joao alves xavier]

Yes, he eventually came to that shocking decision at their home after he was out and about thinking about it, and speaking for myself it's not something I would ever agree to doing. However, not everyone would think about it the way I do, and I believe that he was genuine when he said he came to that decision because he feared losing his wife (who he loves). Of course, we could argue that he is giving his wife permission to continue down a path of potentially no return, but at the same time she repeatedly chose to have sex with his boss without his permission and in contradiction with her own words/assurances and better judgment. So maybe he came to the conclusion that it is out of his hands regardless and thus told her that what she does or does not do is up to her, as that is what she has been doing anyway.

Yes, I agree that he concluded that this is out of his hands. Hutch tried to hide his wife for 6 years and I think it is not only because he is insecure, but also because he knows that there is something wrong with his wife. Maybe because he thought she would cheat. And, indeed, Vivian only needed a little extra "push", "just outside in the table in his boss's house". We will know for sure in the next installments. I love this game, thanks dev.

 

[Robb123456]

I've said it multiple times but I don't see how this VN could have a "good" ending :

-Hutch can't unsee what he's seen and will maybe have others traumatic memories about his "wife"

- When you look at the list (maybe not definitive) of the characters in script.rpy, it's not a large number. So i guess everyone will have a role to play at a moment of the story. I think t a moment Vivian will break her family beyond repair, the main vehiucle for that being her son.

- Even if the dev said planned tags are not definitive, i think grim experiences await our couple.

When we talk about a good ending, it would the least bad ending, mainly for Hutch :

- Christian pays for what he's done. Maybe through work, maybe through money, maybe from another betrayed husband, maybe Hutch, maybe DOJ.

- Vivian has to pay for her betrayals

- Hutch finds love elsewhere.

If Vivian and Hutch would stay together, it would not be a good ending.

es, I agree that he concluded that this is out of his hands. Hutch tried to hide his wife for 6 years and I think it is not only because he is insecure, but also because he knows that there is something wrong with his wife. Maybe because he thought she would cheat. And, indeed, Vivian only needed a little extra "push", "just outside in the table in his boss's house". We will know for sure in the next installments. I love this game, thanks dev.

Maybe it's also bc Hutch has seen how his boss behaves with women, the blackmail thing may not be his first attempt.

 

[TheDuke9999]

I think the concern here in taking that approach will be Vivian's acclimation towards being more sexually intimate with Christian due to her getting that implied free pass from Hutch.

Eventually, she will become more comfortable in Chris's presence and as a result, it will be seen as 'business as usual' for her and Chris.

Hutch certainly does exhibit a lot of the qualities of what a stereotypical representation of a cuck would look like. Being submissive and a natural yes man sort of a person, not questioning Christian's directives or politely interjecting in conversations between Chris/Vivian when he knows deep down that Chris's behaviour towards his wife is not appropriate at all given that Hutch is Vivian's husband. As an example, when Chris gets too touchy/feely/gropy with Vivian right in front of Hutch, he is looking to fish for a reaction out of Hutch, and when Hutch doesn't so much as bat an eyelash at what Chris is doing to his wife right in front of his own eyes, then Chris got the green light to continue such behaviour in-front of Hutch without fearing for reprisal of any sort from the latter.



In the initial stages of Vivian and Chris's interactions, we rarely see the former displaying any sort of genuine affection for Chris. At-least not yet. It's moreso the case that Vivian is being strung along for the ride, but eventually it might be the case that Vivian will come to appreciate and like the attention/daringness that she comes to expect from Chris, that she had wanted Hutch to fulfill that role, but since Hutch is not quite in the position to reciprocate those feelings of domination/daringness, and their sex life appears to have grown stale over the years, she turns to Christian to compensate for that gap in their relationship between her and Hutch.

Over time, Vivian could continue to put up the charade that she is only doing this with Hutch's best interests in mind, but I think we can all safely agree that there is an unspoken ulterior motive as well to explain why Vivian is continuing the tit for tat between her and Christian and not outrightly leaving the relationship altogether.

In the first meeting with the boss , he went to kiss her on the cheek. If you watch closely she thought he wanted to kiss her on the lips and she was trying to kiss him on the lips until he went for the cheek.. the wife wanted the boss before she INSISTED on joining her husband when she was specifically told to stay home. When she showed up the boss knew she wanted to have sex and humiliate the husband.. she keeps saying she is doing this for the husband job but it's a smoke screen to deal with the guilt that she enjoys humiliating her husband and cuckolding him in front of him.. in the end she insistent that he husband go with her to the boss house when hubby gave her permission to bang his boss. She loves torturing and humiliating hutch. That gets her off most.

 

[DarkArchon]

In the first meeting with the boss , he went to kiss her on the cheek. If you watch closely she thought he wanted to kiss her on the lips and she was trying to kiss him on the lips until he went for the cheek.. the wife wanted the boss before she INSISTED on joining her husband when she was specifically told to stay home. When she showed up the boss knew she wanted to have sex and humiliate the husband.. she keeps saying she is doing this for the husband job but it's a smoke screen to deal with the guilt that she enjoys humiliating her husband and cuckolding him in front of him.. in the end she insistent that he husband go with her to the boss house when hubby gave her permission to bang his boss. She loves torturing and humiliating hutch. That gets her off most.

As much as I find Vivian to be an unlikable person (controlling her weak husband, constantly lying to him, being easily manipulated, and deluding herself about Hutch not knowing she was at Christian's house to get fucked, and that she got fucked, etc.), I don't think she currently enjoys humiliating Hutch. This may eventually change, but that is not what is going on now. Getting Vivian to humiliate Hutch, is ONE of the ways Christian is humiliating Vivian. Christian knows that Vivian's betrayal of Hutch torments her, and he enjoys the power he has over her to get her to do it. He also enjoys the sexual power he has over her. Giving her orgasms is not about caring about Vivian, it is about his power over her. That is why he did not stop fucking her on the kitchen table until he made her cum. She told him to stop, but he kept going to show his dominance, and he forced an orgasm on her. He treated her like a whore when he fucked her in the garden, and in the kitchen. He did the same thing with some of the blowjobs, particularly when he made her gag. That is why she is grimacing in those scenes. Yes, she eventually starts enjoying it, but he shows his contempt for her by how he treats her. Whenever he seems like he is being gentle or tender with her, that is simply him wrapping her around his finger. Think of abusive boyfriends who know when to be gentle with the girlfriends they abuse. As I wrote in a previous post, Christian is humiliating Hutch AND Vivian. If you look at what Christian says to Vivian, and even the way he has sex with her, he is being very abusive. If Vivian ends up with Christian in the end, she will be nothing more than one of his trophies. He will do the same thing to the next couple, that he is doing to Vivian and Hutch, that he sees is an easy mark.

 

[Guszti242]

I would be willing to join this KN so that Vivian or MC only dreams and wakes up at the end.

 

[mfe3450]

I want to ask something: I'm asking because I don't know. While a few friends on the forum were saying how slutty Vivian was, they pointed out the tattoo on her hip. Is this to say "the woman who gets a tattoo there is a slut" or does that tattoo send a message to those who see it?

 

[TonyMurray]

In the first meeting with the boss , he went to kiss her on the cheek. If you watch closely she thought he wanted to kiss her on the lips and she was trying to kiss him on the lips until he went for the cheek.. the wife wanted the boss before she INSISTED on joining her husband when she was specifically told to stay home. When she showed up the boss knew she wanted to have sex and humiliate the husband.. she keeps saying she is doing this for the husband job but it's a smoke screen to deal with the guilt that she enjoys humiliating her husband and cuckolding him in front of him.. in the end she insistent that he husband go with her to the boss house when hubby gave her permission to bang his boss. She loves torturing and humiliating hutch. That gets her off most.

I disagree. DarkArchon says most of what I think about that, though, so I won't repeat it all. I think Vivian was sucked in, and was definitely mentally prepared and even longing for the second kiss to be on the lips. I think she knew when the dress arrived (and maybe before, with the "if you're not there, it's over" speech) that she might have to approach, and possibly cross, a line during dinner. As things progressed, that initial mental preparation meant her defenses were low - she was expecting that she would have to do something to rescue the situation, because Hutch was showing that he wasn't going to be able to win the day through his own means.

She insisted on going to Christian's house because she was played, though. She realised shortly after arrival that Christian was testing her and not Hutch, and that was one of the final steps in realising what was to come that night. None of it (on her side, at least) was about humiliating Hutch. I just don't see anything that she does as intentionally being done to humiliate him. Yes, it's a humiliating situation for him (although the pain is a much higher feeling, I'd say), but there's no indication whatsoever that there's any intent to humilate on Vivian's part, or that she gets off on humilating and/or torturing him.

Unlike some people who have discussed this previously, I think she is genuinely remorseful for the hurt she is causing Hutch, she's just in too deep and feels it would be worse to stop than to continue - "I mean... after everything I've been through.... WE... what we've been through... we wouldn't want it to be for nothing... what we've gone through so far."

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On a different topic. Sometimes text in a tattoo is just text in a tattoo. It might have no relevence to the story whatsoever. It could literally just be the dev's favourite poem or just a random line that he really likes, and he thought it would be a nice addition.

 

[TonyMurray]

I want to ask something: I'm asking because I don't know. While a few friends on the forum were saying how slutty Vivian was, they pointed out the tattoo on her hip. Is this to say "the woman who gets a tattoo there is a slut" or does that tattoo send a message to those who see it?

My understanding is they think it's "the woman who gets a tattoo there is a slut", and that it therefore sends the message that she is a slut. There's no message that the tattoo in itself sends, it's not like it's a Queen of Spades tattoo or anything.

 

[Guszti242]

I think this is what Vivien or MC dreams of, it would be a big twist at the end. Everyone prepares for the worst and the stress was just a dream

 

[biggsexxxy]

I want to ask something: I'm asking because I don't know. While a few friends on the forum were saying how slutty Vivian was, they pointed out the tattoo on her hip. Is this to say "the woman who gets a tattoo there is a slut" or does that tattoo send a message to those who see it?

Its the placement of the tattoo that insinuates that she is a slut, many young women in the late 90's and 2000's got "tramp stamps" and were perceived to be sluts, but in all honesty it was just a sexy spot to get a tattoo, later in the 2000's to 2010's the new tramp stamp became the ribs/hip area.....

On a different topic. Sometimes text in a tattoo is just text in a tattoo. It might have no relevence to the story whatsoever. It could literally just be the dev's favourite poem or just a random line that he really likes, and he thought it would be a nice addition.

or he really likes Evan Rachel Wood....