VN Ren'Py My Husband's Boss [Ch.2] [SC Stories]

[TonyMurray]

If you think that I can't stop you.. but if you really follow the story of this VN , do you think Hutch wanted his wife to sleep with his boss to save his job? Do you really think Hutch would choose work over his wife? I believe Hutch would quit that job and keep his wife. Yet his wife in the beginning rejects the boss's advances. Going as far to say he is being inappropriate to the boss.. then at night forces her way to that dinner, humiliated Hutch ALL NIGHT LONG LOUDLY , denies it and goes back for more at hutch's work. Does whatever the boss says knowing the boss won't stop. Then after being so dominate through the story is going to allow Hutch to feel like the man of the house because Hutch basically told her she can bang the boss or anyone for that matter.. what did I get wrong here please tell me..

No, clearly Hutch did not/does not want Vivian to sleep with Christian for any reason. The bits that you are either trolling on or just skimming and not seeing all the detail of are mostly around the humiliation. It is clear from Vivian's expressions and reactions that she is not happy with the situation. At most, she is allowing herself to get lost in the moment, but as soon as her thoughts turn to Hutch, she feels guilt and shame, hurt and anger. There's literally nothing that suggests she enjoys humiliating Hutch or wants to humiliate him. She is not doing that intentionally - she is doing something that can be seen as humiliating Hutch, but that is a side-product of what she is doing, not the intended result. You can go into something knowing that someone will get hurt as a result, but that doesn't in the slightest mean that you are going into it to deliberately cause that harm.

hutch was just hoping she would admit it and say she was trying to help save his job. that might have saved marriage. but by denying the obvious hutch realized she wanted to keep cheating and the boss really did steal his wife away . now he will pimp her out for his own success an revenge . but i doubt we will see that until the end.

The wife and boss are trying to condition Hutch to be a cuckold. The only question is will they succeed?

The "talking code" bit is pretty nuanced. It's not about lying because you think you can keep the truth from the other person. They both know that the other person knows everything, but they're ashamed or afraid to openly admit it. If they do that, they will end up talking clearly about it (rather than in code), and it's like it will make it real. At the moment, they can still pretend that it isn't really happening, that it's all just a bad dream. They're both just lying to themselves to prevent opening that wound publicly, thinking it will be the less painful path for their partner.

It's like having that conversation with someone and it's a bit embarrassing, and you say "I've got a friend who..." or "hypothetically speaking..." and the other person knows full well that it's actually you you're talking about, that it's a real situation and not a hypothetical one, but they go along with it because it's an unspoken agremeent, a way to discuss the sensitive subject without pointing any fingers or causing any embarrassment.

The other stuff you keep talking about, going back to humiliation, but also around wanting to turn Hutch into a cuckold etc., there's just no indication of that whatsoever in the game. That's presumably just your wish fulfilment, because you like to see that, or you like to be cucked and humiliated. Either that, or it's because you're not reading the game in enough detail to see past your initial preconceptions. We'll see what the rest of the game has in store, but so far, there's literally nothing to suggest that's what's happening here.

 

[TheDuke9999]

No, clearly Hutch did not/does not want Vivian to sleep with Christian for any reason. The bits that you are either trolling on or just skimming and not seeing all the detail of are mostly around the humiliation. It is clear from Vivian's expressions and reactions that she is not happy with the situation. At most, she is allowing herself to get lost in the moment, but as soon as her thoughts turn to Hutch, she feels guilt and shame, hurt and anger. There's literally nothing that suggests she enjoys humiliating Hutch or wants to humiliate him. She is not doing that intentionally - she is doing something that can be seen as humiliating Hutch, but that is a side-product of what she is doing, not the intended result. You can go into something knowing that someone will get hurt as a result, but that doesn't in the slightest mean that you are going into it to deliberately cause that harm.


The "talking code" bit is pretty nuanced. It's not about lying because you think you can keep the truth from the other person. They both know that the other person knows everything, but they're ashamed or afraid to openly admit it. If they do that, they will end up talking clearly about it (rather than in code), and it's like it will make it real. At the moment, they can still pretend that it isn't really happening, that it's all just a bad dream. They're both just lying to themselves to prevent opening that wound publicly, thinking it will be the less painful path for their partner.

It's like having that conversation with someone and it's a bit embarrassing, and you say "I've got a friend who..." or "hypothetically speaking..." and the other person knows full well that it's actually you you're talking about, that it's a real situation and not a hypothetical one, but they go along with it because it's an unspoken agremeent, a way to discuss the sensitive subject without pointing any fingers or causing any embarrassment.

The other stuff you keep talking about, going back to humiliation, but also around wanting to turn Hutch into a cuckold etc., there's just no indication of that whatsoever in the game. That's presumably just your wish fulfilment, because you like to see that, or you like to be cucked and humiliated. Either that, or it's because you're not reading the game in enough detail to see past your initial preconceptions. We'll see what the rest of the game has in store, but so far, there's literally nothing to suggest that's what's happening here.

Well I guess i never got my degree in cuckology like you seem to have but when i play this VN I'm seeing something much different than MR.CUCKOLIGIST. Hopefully when the new update come out it will settle the debate

 

[TonyMurray]

Well I guess i never got my degree in cuckology like you seem to have but when i play this VN I'm seeing something much different than MR.CUCKOLIGIST. Hopefully when the new update come out it will settle the debate

Literally nothing about knowledge of cuckoldry, it's just having a basic ability to read people's expressions and look between the lines of what they are saying. If you are only willing to look at the very surface level of things, you're never going to have a chance at understanding what's going on under the hood.

 

[Dealbreaker]

There's literally nothing that suggests she enjoys humiliating Hutch or wants to humiliate him. She is not doing that intentionally - she is doing something that can be seen as humiliating Hutch, but that is a side-product of what she is doing, not the intended result. You can go into something knowing that someone will get hurt as a result, but that doesn't in the slightest mean that you are going into it to deliberately cause that harm.

I would tend to agree with this careful phrasing here as one way of looking at it. But 1. the word "intentionally" does a heavy lifting here. If you act this way you perfectly accept thereby these consequences for your partner in that moment. So doing something knowing the consequences full well and intending can't really be seperated. The humiliation is collateral damage she can perfectly forsee in that moment and she does it anyway. It's not her fetish and her aim, I agree, but she is fully and knowingly responsible for causing it. The word "deliberately" doesn't rescue her from that. And ethically, this could even be worse depending on your point of view, because it shows total disregard for your partner. 2. Immediately after the scene (even during the scene when she nudges Hutch to obey his boss which is again objectively humiliating) you can see the beginnings of resentment on her side as the inevitable outcome of that, and resentment is the breeding ground for more deliberate humiliation. I remember the scene in the car, when he grows some minimal balls and asks her. She completely and harshly shuts him down. So what you call guilt and shame transforms itself into aggression and anger towards the "victim" because she sees his weakness. She resents him for causing the whole sceneario in her opinion. True, honest feeling of guilt could have let to a different scene in the car and an immediate apology from her side. She still doesn't get that she is at fault at that moment and caused the whole thing.
And I don't know if you meant your statement to be valid for the toilet scene as well. Here I would have to disagree. At this stage the sexual acts with the boss themselves imply humiliation of Hutch and are coloured by that. It has not any more this blackmailing character like in the house and is therefore a more chosen and deliberate act of cuckoldry from her side. She clearly is NOT blending out Hutch in that moment, clearly she is NOT carried away like a love-struck teenager. She knows that she humiliates him by the very acts. Plus the phone interaction while she is going at it. Although I wouldn't say that she aims at it it is certainly part of the sexual experience for her and its naughtyness. There is no way around that. It is at least ambivalent.

Edit: thinking about it, human interactions which have the SOLE purpose or the ADMITTED purpose of humliating someone are rather rare, these are mostly acts of explicit punishment or have a sadistic fetishistic intention to begin with. They are mostly mixed with other aims and intentions, they come unexpectedly to light in situations which are defined by other circumstances.

 

[Hattyrulz]

This could be the only night Christian is giving her free in this update, and instead of spending it with Hutch, she went out for drinks. Hutch might have told her to give him space and leave him alone (fingers crossed). Or maybe she lied to Hutch again on where she, and who she is with.

if its the night after the code talk then you are wrong joe... as its clear in the conversation that vivian and christian have in the bathroom that tomorrow night they want to "scope out a place" so the render shared can be next day where vivian is trying to discreetly meet up with christian instead of having to pick her up from her home(at this point i doubt it can be called their home). and there are a lot of possibilities about the other lady's identity .... can even be the mechanic kids'(rupert's) mom and she i happy to meet his teacher. ty rob for the character list.... only 2 names that are not shown in the update (mayor west and billie lou). assuming that the other person is billie lou.

It's not about lying because you think you can keep the truth from the other person. They both know that the other person knows everything, but they're ashamed or afraid to openly admit it. If they do that, they will end up talking clearly about it (rather than in code)

i mean hutch is still under the impression that vivian doesn't know that he was in the bathroom. and vivian doesn't tell him she knows that he knows at any moment in their conversation, hence the code talk. this is the opposite of the talk between christian and hutch in the car park where they talk openly about all that has happened (which is more similar to a married couple bickering). we have already seen in the bathroom how playful she is with christian and how she still believes whatever lies he is telling vivian to manipulate her. an example is ....not confronting hutch about the whole affair. it's just a matter of update where vivian may shift her affection from hutch to christian (as we have already seen in her interaction). so in regards to the code talk neither is willing to do say the truth not because they want to keep it as a dream but the fact that they have been manipulated beyond reason and don't even know what both of them are doing is wrong.

vivian might have been a unwilling part in humiliating hutch so far... but going forward i dont think it will be the same. she might be carried away by her escapades to not care about hutch and might be humiliating him to make hutch hit rock bottom(as he is corrupted by christian during her projects). which might make him change personality into the cigarette man. some of these are hypothetical at this point and can still be possible in the future updates.

 

[TonyMurray]

i mean hutch is still under the impression that vivian doesn't know that he was in the bathroom. and vivian doesn't tell him she knows that he knows at any moment in their conversation

Yeah, that's the only bit that isn't known. But Hutch knows what Vivian has been doing, and Vivian knows Hutch knows it, so there's no secret there. Code is used as a way of softening the blow because of this as well - she's telling him that she knows he knows (saying that gets so confusing!) but without using actual words like "we both know I fucked Christian" or "I know you saw it".

hence the code talk. this is the opposite of the talk between christian and hutch in the car park where they talk openly about all that has happened (which is more similar to a married couple bickering).

Hutch and Christian don't talk openly about it either. I think the only relevant parts are in the office after the bathroom fucking and then the short bit just after, in the car park as you mention, but nothing is explicitly said there. The script is below - for those not used to it, "b" is "boss" (Christian) and "h" is "husband (Hutch). I left in four lines with a "#" that are commented out, because they are interesting to note as well:

b "I admire your dedication, Hutch."
b "I know things haven't been... ideal... these past few days."
b "But here you are... at your desk... working..."
b "It's tough this day and age for us men. True men."
b "Modern society wants to tell us to open up, be vulnerable, to cry... and if you don't, then you are toxic."
b "But that's not us. That's now how we were raised, right?"
b "A man is supposed to toil in silence. To be strong. To be in control of his emotions."
b "A man sacrifices himself for the greater good. Puts his family above himself."
b "And his reward? Only the satisfaction of knowing he did what had to be done."
b "Because we can't tell them what we did... no, no, no..."
b "If we did then they'd berate us for doing the very things they needed us to do."
b "No... They don't want to know how it happens. They just want a roof over their heads, food on the table, to be safe..."
b "They only want to know you are someone who won't break. Someone who would die on that white horse before ever falling off."
b "Someone who will make the hard choices for them..."
b "... even if they don't know you made them."
b "You should go get some lunch."
h "I'd rather keep working on this, sir."
b "... a real man..."


b "It's time to go home, Hutch."
h "I just have some stuff to finish up here, sir."
b "It'll wait..."
b "Text your wife and tell her you're on your way home..."
b "... she's worried about you."
b "Do you love your wife, Hutch?"
h "Sir?"
b "Do you love your wife?"
h "Yes, sir. I do."
b "I believe you. I believe you love her about as much any human can love another."
b "I believe she loves you about the same."
b "But sometimes that love hurts... doesn't it?"
b "When a man realizes he's falling in love, it's not a joyous day. It's a somber day."
b "Because he realizes he now has to step up and be that provider... be that protector. His life's role has forever changed."
# b "When you love them so much you give them whatever their little hearts desire..."
# b "... even if you wished they didn't."
# b "Things they maybe don't even realize they want. Things they won't admit they want."
# b "Loving them more than you love yourself."
b "Sacrifice. That's what love is really about, don't you think?"
b "Ask yourself... in what scenario would she be better off without you... would you be better off without her?"
b "Go home. Show your wife how much you love her..."

so in regards to the code talk neither is willing to do say the truth not because they want to keep it as a dream but the fact that they have been manipulated beyond reason and don't even know what both of them are doing is wrong.

vivian might have been a unwilling part in humiliating hutch so far... but going forward i dont think it will be the same. she might be carried away by her escapades to not care about hutch and might be humiliating him to make hutch hit rock bottom(as he is corrupted by christian during her projects). which might make him change personality into the cigarette man. some of these are hypothetical at this point and can still be possible in the future updates.

I disagree on that first bit because I think they both clearly know that it is wrong. They are under no illusion that it is both wrong to do in general, but also very damaging to their marriage/relationship. We see it differently, but here I don't think Christian's manipulation comes into it at all.

And again, I totally disagree on the humiliation part. They have been married for over 20 years, during which time (so far as we're able to gather) they have been loving and faithful to each other. It would be completely out of character for Vivian to suddenly decide she actively wants to hurt Hutch. And to repeat my previous points, by this I mean she isn't going to suddenly do things because she wants to hurt Hutch, she may do things that hurt him, but the hurt is not her intention, not her reason for doing those things. She isn't a sadist.

At most, I think she might just try to ignore the hurt and humiliation Hutch suffers from all this. She might not want to admit to herself that she is doing it, but I don't think we'll ever get to a point where she actually wants to hurt him like that, and certainly not to a point where she derives pleasure/enjoyment out of hurting him.

 

[Adhdclassic]

Memory is a Lil shoddy. Did they ever speak about her cheating. If I remember correctly they kept referring it and future acts as "project". Am I wrong or misread.

 

[Justaphase]

Memory is a Lil shoddy. Did they ever speak about her cheating. If I remember correctly they kept referring it and future acts as "project". Am I wrong or misread.

Not really. Hutch plays dumb, he doesn't know that Vivian saw him in the bathroom. They are both well aware of what "project" is code for.

 

[TonyMurray]

Memory is a Lil shoddy. Did they ever speak about her cheating. If I remember correctly they kept referring it and future acts as "project". Am I wrong or misread.

You're not wrong. The "project" is an actual thing, but it's pretty clear subtext that it's going to include sex. In discussion between Hutch and Vivian, they just refer to the sex as "...working with Christian" with the pause or italics included to give a little extra emphasis to it being a euphemism, e.g., "Look, I'm not excited about you two... working together..." and "I mean, how much work could there actually be anyway?"

 

[Sparta VI]

Yeah, that's the only bit that isn't known. But Hutch knows what Vivian has been doing, and Vivian knows Hutch knows it, so there's no secret there. Code is used as a way of softening the blow because of this as well - she's telling him that she knows he knows (saying that gets so confusing!) but without using actual words like "we both know I fucked Christian" or "I know you saw it".

Hutch and Christian don't talk openly about it either. I think the only relevant parts are in the office after the bathroom fucking and then the short bit just after, in the car park as you mention, but nothing is explicitly said there. The script is below - for those not used to it, "b" is "boss" (Christian) and "h" is "husband (Hutch). I left in four lines with a "#" that are commented out, because they are interesting to note as well:




I disagree on that first bit because I think they both clearly know that it is wrong. They are under no illusion that it is both wrong to do in general, but also very damaging to their marriage/relationship. We see it differently, but here I don't think Christian's manipulation comes into it at all.

And again, I totally disagree on the humiliation part. They have been married for over 20 years, during which time (so far as we're able to gather) they have been loving and faithful to each other. It would be completely out of character for Vivian to suddenly decide she actively wants to hurt Hutch. And to repeat my previous points, by this I mean she isn't going to suddenly do things because she wants to hurt Hutch, she may do things that hurt him, but the hurt is not her intention, not her reason for doing those things. She isn't a sadist.

At most, I think she might just try to ignore the hurt and humiliation Hutch suffers from all this. She might not want to admit to herself that she is doing it, but I don't think we'll ever get to a point where she actually wants to hurt him like that, and certainly not to a point where she derives pleasure/enjoyment out of hurting him.

I like your classifications and interpretations, even if I don't agree with everything. What is your guess as to how it continues and ends? Can you tell me how I can get access to the whole script?

 

[Dealbreaker]

And again, I totally disagree on the humiliation part. They have been married for over 20 years, during which time (so far as we're able to gather) they have been loving and faithful to each other. It would be completely out of character for Vivian to suddenly decide she actively wants to hurt Hutch. And to repeat my previous points, by this I mean she isn't going to suddenly do things because she wants to hurt Hutch, she may do things that hurt him, but the hurt is not her intention, not her reason for doing those things. She isn't a sadist.

I have a very different impression of the marriage. I don't know why people don't geht how hugely disloyal her first visit to the boss is towards her husband and how much distrust in his abilities how much dissatisfaction it implies - and this has to have been built up over years. I would by no means speak of a loving marriage at this point. Furthermore we know nothing about infidelities that doesn't mean they weren't there.
And this argument that she isn't a sadist doesn't get more relevant by repeating it. Nobody says she is. But there are many things inbetween loving and being sadistic. Resentment and contempt and disregard are by no means sadistic. But they lead to humiliating acts which she is very conscious of. Most people who hurt others would never adimit they "intend to hurt". This is no fruitful analytical tool for long term relationships.
As an adult when you come to a point where you do things with clear as day consequences you have to take responsibility and say ok, if i do these things I have to admit a also "want" the consequences because I willingly trigger them. That's who the world works.

 

[Justaphase]

Not sure that I've ever seen an AVN cause this much discussion and debate, especially for a first release. It's interesting to see how many different perspectives can come from this, even if it is totally kinetic (without choices)
Well done SC Stories on giving us such an interesting and engaging story, it doesn't happen that often with AVN's. Especially not NTR ones.

 

[TonyMurray]

I like your classifications and interpretations, even if I don't agree with everything. What is your guess as to how it continues and ends? Can you tell me how I can get access to the whole script?

I think at the moment it's too early, and maybe the next update will give us the clues to how it will end. My own thoughts are more how I would like it to play out than how I think it will play out. For instance, I'd actually like it if it stays away from the tried and tested routes, which means players like the students (all of them) and the garage owner do not end up as sexual partners of Vivian. I would also say I don't think Christian will be pimping Vivian out, as some have suggested - but again that's based as much on what I want/don't want as it is on what I think will happen. I can definitely see all options being possible though, which is why it's so hard to guess how it will continue.

For the script, I think you have to UNREN the folder first, which gives you access to the RPA files for each day. I just put them all into a single word doc and cut out the code outside of the dialogue as I said I would proofread it for SC Stories as a favour.

 

[Sparta VI]

Hutch's best and strongest moment, where he stands up to Christian, laughs at him and doesn't call him sir. After that, the mood was in the cellar

 

[TonyMurray]

I have a very different impression of the marriage. I don't know why people don't geht how hugely disloyal her first visit to the boss is towards her husband and how much distrust in his abilities how much dissatisfaction it implies - and this has to have been built up over years. I would by no means speak of a loving marriage at this point. Furthermore we know nothing about infidelities that doesn't mean they weren't there.
And this argument that she isn't a sadist doesn't get more relevant by repeating it. Nobody says she is. But there are many things inbetween loving and being sadistic. Resentment and contempt and disregard are by no means sadistic. But they lead to humiliating acts which she is very conscious of. Most people who hurt others would never adimit they "intend to hurt". This is no fruitful analytical tool for long term relationships.

I don't see that first act as hugely disloyal. People do things all the time that have unexpected repercussions to what were expected, and I think here, it's just something Vivian did in a misguided attempt to help Hutch. I don't think she did it out of disloyalty in the slightest - but I understand that's not the exact thing that you're saying, and I understand how you could see it as disloyal, I just have a different view.

As far as infidelities go, we know more about their absence than their presence. Vivian says "After over twenty years, he knows that I'm not the type of person to ever betray him" - although admittedly we don't know anything about Hutch's side. Obviously though, no one thinks Hutch has cheated on Vivian in the past, it's always just on the wife when it comes to those assumptions.

I have literally never used the word "sadist" here except to say once "she isn't a sadist", so I'm hardly repeating it. I'm just saying that I don't see anything that suggests Vivian is deliberately trying to humiliate Hutch, or that she enjoys humiliating him. There's a whole thing about the intent of it, which is the bit that is being discussed. Some are suggesting that she intends it or enjoys it, I'm of the opposite view. By the same token you use, the idea of Vivian deliberately trying to humiliate Hutch doesn't get any more relevant by people constantly repeating it. But it's a free forum, and there's healthy discussion, people are just sharing their views and offering counterarguments to arguments others raise.

 

[Adhdclassic]

For me when Christian approached in the parking lot Hutch. Christian gave me the impression he was worried about Hutch. Don't know if it was company fear or Hutch doing something to him. He kept his distance away from him.

 

[Dealbreaker]

By the same token you use, the idea of Vivian deliberately trying to humiliate Hutch doesn't get any more relevant by people constantly repeating it.

Yes exactly, and I myself never claimed that to be the case. But she accepts it willingly as a consequence of her actions. Seeing your differntiated way of arguing I thought you would see, that it is neither nor: She doesn't intend it in the sense of getting enjoyment. But also she isn't naive and ignorant of it.
What bothers me is that you paint a picture of a woman who doesn't know what she is doing, who is completely oblivious. AND: who doesn't have other negative feelings towards her husband which break out at this moment. You paint her as well-intentioned but miscalculating - I think it's much more complex. I think you have a too narrow concept of "intention". If a man cheats for his enjoyment in front of the eyes of his wife and other people would you also say, that he doesn't "intend" to humiliate or to hurt her? In the narrow sense, yes. But I would guess you would find that argument apologetic and sophistic. You would say: of course he knows that he humiliates her and he does it anyway and he doesn't care. And you would say that he doesn't have to hold her in high regard and respect her to begin with and for a long time if he does that. And I think it is exactly the same here.

 

[IHATESlowburnBluBallgames]

lets analize new screen

1. New Character
2. Beer - probably Ivanhoe
3. New dress (?)
4. New earrings
5. Old couple in the background (there also in go-go club, so they are agents of the Matrix or background models)
6. Situation - Vivian is waiting for someone (99,99% for man - this dress is not for a meeting with a friend ) -suddenly a girl sits down and Vivian is not happy : "so you're Chris's new slut"


surprisingly little jewelry - no bracelets, no rings, no necklacke - no-wedd-ring ??, no bra, only earr....
new girl - full opposite


g-night

Maybe this is one of his ex lovers or once he got anal with her he dropped her and now Vivian is his replacement until he taps that ass and then he’ll drop her and pass her on to the office

 

[packard1928]

It is hard to read Christian just yet. In the first act Christian knows Hutch saw them in the backyard by the dishes and chair in the dining room. Then he deliberately does the in your face... she will sleep in my room and they have sex he can here. on the flip side there is the conversations between the two about men an duty . I think that conversation has an different meaning.. that says " I am going to fuck your wife and there is nothing you can do about it" ..

 

[TheDuke9999]

Maybe this is one of his ex lovers or once he got anal with her he dropped her and now Vivian is his replacement until he taps that ass and then he’ll drop her and pass her on to the office
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The boss going to have a harem of married hoe's to get them contacts signed and Vivian going to be the queen hoe while hutchy McCucky and sons are good girls and take care of house