ummm she has sex with another man in front of husband and loves it then cries to her husband telling him she loves hutchy so much while easily agreeing to keep banging the boss .. did i miss something
Yes, quite a lot, but if that is how you filter complexities then there’s not much I could write to disabuse you of that perception. Hey, everyone processes things differently. In my opinion - and it is an opinion - this situation and the husband and wife’s actions are not so simplistic. The emotional depth the Dev has given to the characters and their relationship - which at first seemed pretty vanilla - is what sets this KN apart for many of us. Again though, opinions may vary.
Sorry, I expressed it incorrectly. I meant the sex related to other protagonists like twins, mechanics, scooter drivers, basketball players. The focus as in your picture will remain on christian in my opinion.
she was in the boss's house and in less than an hour she was bent over getting banged while hutchy watched.. how complex is that?
so in your opinion - there can by only Chris !?
Okie dokie. Not going to argue with you if that was your takeaway. Cannot dissect the emotional Complexities at play in this KN for you. Either you get it or not. No judgements.
You're going to make Hatty cream with talk like that!
I was going to say she was doing a handstand, but you already got there!
NTR doesn't have to be complex. A single antagonist stealing your partner is still NTR, it doesn't matter if it's only one person doing it...
Although that's a bit of a shame - sometimes I would wish for a strong, detailed, forceful and articulate "defense" of Vivian beyond the notion that all is complicated (which I and others are more than willing to concede and have said so!). I would like to know more about her feelings, why she cannot or will not say no to Christian. I think about that myself, but I think the debate would profit from someone who is really convinced (though in a nuanced way) of the jusitifiability of that posiition...
its all good brother . i get the inner turmoil stuff but at the end of the day , regardless of your mental state, your actions dictate your future regardless of the reason or emotion. emotions may drive us but again its all a choice.. do the right thing or do the wrong thing .. and thats why i love vivian so much cause she is the dumbest chick around and always does the wrong thing.. god i love that woman.
You've got that right. According to my definition and that of wiki, ntr can only refer to one person. I know that this is rarely practiced and seen here.
If we have only Fmc's pov ONLY then yes but we have mc's too, then its a netorare type B she does not have to fuck multiple dicks for it to be ntr she just need to be stolen phisically or emotionally in this AVN its probably both
i agree but as far as her an hutch dignity i think that flew out the window after the boss house and woman toilet at hutchy job lol next episode she will be telling boss she loves him while hutchy listens on the phone lol .. suffer hutch feel the burn , the boss has only just began to destroy you an take your slut wife so he can use her to seal the deals on his "projects" an negotiations.. the boss is a genius.SC showed too many dicks at the start to end with just one
I am very far from considering Vivian cum-slut-all-around-whore, however, she has very busy days ahead of her, which will seriously damage her dignity.
[maybe it was after a restaurant evening that lasted into the night
the cigaretteman render would most probably be in update 4 and the dev titled that as climax.you can see the reflection of the overhead light in the eyes so she is probably handstanding or in a similar gymnastic pose.
they dont need condoms... chris says he is sniped... but maybe he wants to get vivian pregnant... who knows.
xert you are right in saying that. there are different way to react to each situation both the husband and wife react to. like a typical example would be vivian's happy reaction at the end of the code talk... it can be take as a reference to her dialogue in the bathroom scene where she says she will convince her husband to let her go. contradicting this is vivian is happy that hutch just loves her even after all that she did. and to counter this again... there is one secret she didnt tell hutch and that is the first meeting with the boss and the dress she wore for the fuckfest. until the next two updates are done and the story having no branching paths will automatically elimiate the variables for us(the readers). so for now opinions vary but going forward the option will be narrowed down by story progression.
you are finally seeing the light ...
, that's possibly a better of the worst ending for hutch and the cigarette man theories most if not all have hutch getting revenge which is nice.as much as i want to defend vivian for now i only see the flaws every way you look. either its totally her fault or hutch is partially to blame. there is no scenario where she can be defended in the current update. and what's more the way she interacts with the side interests just goes against her caring personality that the dev wants to convey.(that's how i see it)
only one thing i have to argue with in the above quote there is no right and wrong in a relationship(if you love your spouse and its reciprocated anyone would go the extra mile to make the relationship work)... it's just their respective views. we can say that hutch opening the marriage is him viewing vivians actions as moment of weakness in their 22 year relationship. yes have to agree vivian is the dumbest fmc. can't debate that. that just makes it harder to go nuclear on her.
you got her model almost perfect... this level of detail should be enough for fan fic... any more attention to detail and your will model will look just like vivian. keep it up
first off let me just say for the record i love that woman. vivian is perfect. if all women could be loose an dumb like vivian this world would be in such a better place. if vivian ran for president i would vote for her seriously..
you can see the reflection of the overhead light in the eyes so she is probably handstanding or in a similar gymnastic pose.
they dont need condoms... chris says he is sniped... but maybe he wants to get vivian pregnant... who knows.
xert you are right in saying that. there are different way to react to each situation both the husband and wife react to. like a typical example would be vivian's happy reaction at the end of the code talk... it can be take as a reference to her dialogue in the bathroom scene where she says she will convince her husband to let her go. contradicting this is vivian is happy that hutch just loves her even after all that she did. and to counter this again... there is one secret she didnt tell hutch and that is the first meeting with the boss and the dress she wore for the fuckfest. until the next two updates are done and the story having no branching paths will automatically elimiate the variables for us(the readers). so for now opinions vary but going forward the option will be narrowed down by story progression.
you are finally seeing the light ...
as much as i want to defend vivian for now i only see the flaws every way you look. either its totally her fault or hutch is partially to blame. there is no scenario where she can be defended in the current update. and what's more the way she interacts with the side interests just goes against her caring personality that the dev wants to convey.(that's how i see it)
luc made a nice theory on how vivian is changing from a loving wife and mother due to christian and some of my thoughts were posted as well. when you look the full update from vivians point of view at first she is sacrifising herself for the family but later in the dinner night she is just doing it for herself as she enjoys what is going on. there are instance through out that show the change in vivian. im just stating what i think is vivian thoughts from how the dev depicts and portrays her in this update.
only one thing i have to argue with in the above quote there is no right and wrong in a relationship(if you love your spouse and its reciprocated anyone would go the extra mile to make the relationship work)... it's just their respective views. we can say that hutch opening the marriage is him viewing vivians actions as moment of weakness in their 22 year relationship. yes have to agree vivian is the dumbest fmc. can't debate that. that just makes it harder to go nuclear on her.
if all the women were like vivian the there would be as many men who are christian and hutch... and i can never accept that as its just a cause and effect or in the worlds of the matrix... causality. i for one still can't come to liking vivian just cos of personal views and reasons. and yes most would but i will not as she can be manipulated by a hypothetical christian.
Dealbreaker there are various type of ntr as link posted. it's just the the common or overused ntr troupe is what you have described below in your post.
