VN Ren'Py My Husband's Boss [Ch.2] [SC Stories]

[Hattyrulz]

Honestly idk why so many people qualify Vivian with the terms, strong, intelligent, while most her actions are a display of self-overestimation, and let's say it, sometimes plain stupidity :

- She thinks she can in 5 minutes advise her husband on a field she knows nothing about.

- Goes behind her husband's back thinking she could manipulate her husband's boss, all that to return home the tail between her legs

- I won't delve in the events at at Christian's home, bc it will take another page

- Her husband is asking questions so precise that it indicates he knows, he's clearly totally wtihdrawn from her, and yet she still doesn't get it.

- She promises herself no more shenanigans with Christian and yet goes to talk in a bathroom with him, knowing the guy has no shame. Btw, this woman only cheats on her husband when she's likely to get caught, that's a disease.

I know the dev is obliged to take some "arrangements" with the logic to tell the story he wants to tell, but don't say Vivian is smart, please. Nor that she's strong, all we have seen indicates the opposite.

For Hutch, i think (it's an opinion which is worth another) he fools himself thinking it's something they can get over as a couple. I think he really love his wife and even what he had seen or heard has not been enough for him to fall out of love for her. I think he's very dependent on her. That's why Chrstian stroke the right nerve by saying : "Ask yourself... in what scenario would she be better off without you... would you be better off without her?". But everyone has his limits and her affair(s) will put them to test.

i may be projecting a bit as i cannot bear to think about a model who looks so close to my wife. and it is my hope that she is strong and intelligent not that she is in the game.... and the dev has a redemption arc... not saying your points are wrong ... or justifying anything in the game....if you have read my other post you would see that i just present my views and how i think the vn will progress going forward...

i completely agree with you points you stated... those are not the actions of a strong willed intelligent woman. yes i agree that the dev has taken some liberties with the way the story has gone so far as there are a lot of contradicting behaviours from the body language to the dialogues... and saying something but doing the opposite... there are quite a few. i not refuting your point i agree with it... even then i don't want vivian to become such a character in the vn knowing that it is inevitable. that's just me... others have their own views.

in regards to hutch... if you have read the first line i wrote... i did say that i was never in such a long relationship(anything more that 10 years) and how it would be for such a couple. i know im relating a lot with the characters in the vn which is bad and that is y i say there is a lot of porn game logic. sometimes the story logic just goes from being believable to outright crazy. having said that has anyone come across such a master manipulator in their life... i haven't. i don't know about the rest but me who had been a husband for 10 years would never do what hutch did even if he was manipulated by christian. sorry if this feels like a rant but this vn had brought out a lot of memories and just wish a happy ending which i know isn't possible in a NTR vn.

PS: to the point about the husband being withdrawn... see the first scene where vivian is introduced she immediately know something is wrong with her husband comes to his support... where did this woman disappear to in just 1 day...when hutch was giving so many signs of hurt and emotional detachment.

 

[TonyMurray]

Honestly idk why so many people qualify Vivian with the terms, strong, intelligent, while most her actions are a display of self-overestimation, and let's say it, sometimes plain stupidity :

- She thinks she can in 5 minutes advise her husband on a field she knows nothing about.

- Goes behind her husband's back thinking she could manipulate her husband's boss, all that to return home the tail between her legs

- I won't delve in the events at at Christian's home, bc it will take another page

- Her husband is asking questions so precise that it indicates he knows, he's clearly totally wtihdrawn from her, and yet she still doesn't get it.

- She promises herself no more shenanigans with Christian and yet goes to talk in a bathroom with him, knowing the guy has no shame. Btw, this woman only cheats on her husband when she's likely to get caught, that's a disease.

I know the dev is obliged to take some "arrangements" with the logic to tell the story he wants to tell, but don't say Vivian is smart, please. Nor that she's strong, all we have seen indicates the opposite.

For Hutch, i think (it's an opinion which is worth another) he fools himself into thinking it's something they can get over as a couple. I think he really loves his wife and even what he had seen or heard has not been enough for him to fall out of love for her. I think he's very dependent on her. That's why Chrstian stroke the right nerve by saying : "Ask yourself... in what scenario would she be better off without you... would you be better off without her?". But everyone has his limits and her affair(s) will put them to test.

A couple of these points come up quite often, and I definitely have a different point of view regarding them:

- She thinks she can in 5 minutes advise her husband on a field she knows nothing about.
I disagree on this one. Who says she doesn't know anything about this stuff? I've said before that Vivian isn't advising Hutch on specific business practices relating to his job, she's giving him advise about creating and managing relationships with people. This isn't job-specific, it's generic stuff that anyone can know about and advise on without having the first clue about what Hutch's job is.

- Her husband is asking questions so precise that it indicates he knows, he's clearly totally wtihdrawn from her, and yet she still doesn't get it.
Are you specifically referring to the "Talking Code" section at the end of the update here? If so, it's not that she doesn't get it, it's that she doesn't want to admit it and use the actual words in conversation with Hutch. Both of them pussy-foot around the truth of it, as if thinking that by not putting it into words, it's not real - or at least that it means the other person doesn't actually confirm that they know. That's why the whole scene is called "Talking Code" and not "Talking Openly" or something.

I disagree that Vivian's actions so far mean that she is not intelligent. You can be incredibly smart and still make stupid decisions. And strength is different, because it depends on the specific thing being referred to. She can still be a strong woman who is prone to bouts of weakness though, it's just a more nuanced distinction.

 

[Gattsu#Struggler]

The relationship between Vivian and Hutch seems to be relatively superficial. It is a comfortable but also monotonous life that the two lead.
But what is striking is the naivety with which Hutch knows how to shine. He has done a remarkable job of ignoring his wife's true needs for 22 years. The convenience of stepping down as head of the family and leaving this title to his wife and the fact that he is already dependent on the help of blue pills at an early age in order to be able to perform at all.
Instead of meeting the needs of his wife he bought her an expensive car with hick ups. Even here he shows a selfless indifference and is not even able to have an inspection carried out for faults before being persuaded to accept a probably overpriced offer from the car dealer.

Vivian, a part-time biology teacher, is the head of the family and lovingly takes care of the family's needs, even asks her son about his during a phone call who has managed to grow up and attends college, while the other male in the household is in danger of qualifying for a hopeless play.

This all reflects the wretchedness of Hutch's whole character even before the dinner at Christian's house has taken place.
Vivian has been vegetating next to a corpse for 22 years, it's not surprising when a little action suddenly knocks on the door and she opens it enthusiastically.

 

[Hattyrulz]

I disagree that Vivian's actions so far mean that she is not intelligent. You can be incredibly smart and still make stupid decisions. And strength is different, because it depends on the specific thing being referred to. She can still be a strong woman who is prone to bouts of weakness though, it's just a more nuanced distinction.

we had this debate when i started posting on this thread about her flaws in logic but you have to see it from rob's point of view as well he is interpreting it with just the info the vn has... or that's what i did when we talked about it. completely agree with your input on intelligence and strength. then again its as you said a nuanced distinction.

This all reflects the wretchedness of Hutch's whole character even before the dinner at Christian's house has taken place.
Vivian has been vegetating next to a corpse for 22 years, it's not surprising when a little action suddenly knocks on the door and she opens it enthusiastically.

kinda harsh and brutal too if i'm being honest ... but yes married for 22 years and needing a blue pill... lol... if you have read the post above from tonymurray you can see quite a few valid points... which makes you question the story of how a 22 year marriage came to be... and the tattoos keep getting highlighted from the start which shows there is some backstory to this disaster which we don't yet know about. your view actually alliangnes well with how the story has progressed so far ....nice take on the story so far... keep the theories rolling... since the dev hasn't posted any "gossip material" in his word.

 

[Robb123456]

A couple of these points come up quite often, and I definitely have a different point of view regarding them:

- She thinks she can in 5 minutes advise her husband on a field she knows nothing about.
I disagree on this one. Who says she doesn't know anything about this stuff? I've said before that Vivian isn't advising Hutch on specific business practices relating to his job, she's giving him advise about creating and managing relationships with people. This isn't job-specific, it's generic stuff that anyone can know about and advise on without having the first clue about what Hutch's job is.

- Her husband is asking questions so precise that it indicates he knows, he's clearly totally wtihdrawn from her, and yet she still doesn't get it.
Are you specifically referring to the "Talking Code" section at the end of the update here? If so, it's not that she doesn't get it, it's that she doesn't want to admit it and use the actual words in conversation with Hutch. Both of them pussy-foot around the truth of it, as if thinking that by not putting it into words, it's not real - or at least that it means the other person doesn't actually confirm that they know. That's why the whole scene is called "Talking Code" and not "Talking Openly" or something.

I disagree that Vivian's actions so far mean that she is not intelligent. You can be incredibly smart and still make stupid decisions. And strength is different, because it depends on the specific thing being referred to. She can still be a strong woman who is prone to bouts of weakness though, it's just a more nuanced distinction.

You can be smart and make bad decisions but you are not smart if you don't understand what's going on.

1 ) I know we don't agree on this one. For me she's stupid there and borderline pretentious.

2) I'm not talking about the last conversations but about all the previous ones. Hutch asks a lot of questions, acting very suspicious and even says this bit :

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She's lying very poorly (and should know it as a smart person), doesn't deduce her husband wasn't really asleep (and most likely has seen her or heard her), and at the very least should say herself "RED ALERT! He's onto me". But she thinks her husband is just insecure...

EDIT : reread this conversation (d03s04). It's golden how Vivian is clueless.

 

[Hattyrulz]

You can be smart and make bad decisions but you are not smart if you don't understand what's going on.

1 ) I know we don't agree on this one. For me she's stupid there and borderline pretentious.

2) I'm not talking about the last conversations but about all the previous ones. Hutch asks a lot of questions, acting very suspicious and even says this bit :

setting aside the smart part what happened to being for 22 years.... anyone who has been married/had a partner for even 2/3 years would be able to pick up queues on their emotional state... so 22 years .... feels like it didn't happens. if you read my post about y i wrote that about vivian you should see some common ground... the only way the poor lying and not picking up the directed questions.... is porn logic.... it's so unbelievable that it cannot be explained. as you have said the dev did take some logic for granted.
if you read Gattsu#Struggler post its again another extreme view. to many variable contradicting each other is what makes this vn believable and unbelievable at the same time. and lets not forget the foreshadowing.... tips hat to dev.

 

[Robb123456]

setting aside the smart part what happened to being for 22 years.... anyone who has been married/had a partner for even 2/3 years would be able to pick up queues on their emotional state... so 22 years .... feels like it didn't happens. if you read my post about y i wrote that about vivian you should see some common ground... the only way the poor lying and not picking up the directed questions.... is porn logic.... it's so unbelievable that it cannot be explained. as you have said the dev did take some logic for granted.
if you read Gattsu#Struggler post its again another extreme view. to many variable contradicting each other is what makes this vn believable and unbelievable at the same time. and lets not forget the foreshadowing.... tips hat to dev.

Like you said, it's porn logic and i'm ok with that. The only thing i don't want to hear is that she's smart when no element supports that.

 

[Hattyrulz]

Like you said, it's porn logic and i'm ok with that. The only thing i don't want to hear is that she's smart when no element supports that.

i'm just keeping an open mind and hoping that she is... not that's it is true in the vn as it clearly isn't the case.

 

[Gattsu#Struggler]

You can be smart and make bad decisions but you are not smart if you don't understand what's going on.

1 ) I know we don't agree on this one. For me she's stupid there and borderline pretentious.

2) I'm not talking about the last conversations but about all the previous ones. Hutch asks a lot of questions, acting very suspicious and even says this bit :

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She's lying very poorly (and should know it as a smart person), doesn't deduce her husband wasn't really asleep (and most likely has seen her or heard her), and at the very least should say herself "RED ALERT! He's onto me". But she thinks her husband is just insecure...

EDIT : reread this conversation (d03s04). It's golden how Vivian is clueless.

That's why I said their relationship is superficial.
Vivian doesn't admit she cheated on him because she fears it could break him, neither does Hutch about his knowledge because he's affraid of losing her.
Every question is followed by a counter question. It's like they lived a life for 22 years like neighbors and not like a couple.

 

[Robb123456]

That's why I said their relationship is superficial.
Vivian doesn't admit she cheated on him because she fears it could break him, neither does Hutch about his knowledge because he's affraid of losing her.
Every question is followed by a counter question. It's like they lived a live for 22 years like neighbors and not like a couple.

I get what you mean but if you read the script of d03s04, it's obvious H gives her an opportunity to come clean on her own. It's like he cornered her to leave her no choice but telling the truth. I know u're right, she's supposed to do that, to protect her husband, but at this point, especially after he said he didn't sleep, it's disrespectful to not tell him the truth.

Moreover, she tries to manipulate him with sex just after this convo, it fails miserably

 

[Robb123456]

I get what you mean but if you read the script of d03s04, it's obvious H gives her an opportunity to come clean on her own. It's like he cornered her to leave her no choice but telling the truth. I know u're right, she's supposed to do that, to protect her husband, but at this point, especially after he said he didn't sleep, it's disrespectful to not tell him the truth.

Moreover, she tries to manipulate him with sex just after this convo, it fails miserably

EDIT : rereading the aftermath, Christian late night call, she's not that stupid, but she isn't smart though. But christian is making her stupid.

 

[Gattsu#Struggler]

I get what you mean but if you read the script of d03s04, it's obvious H gives her an opportunity to come clean on her own. It's like he cornered her to leave her no choice but telling the truth. I know u're right, she's supposed to do that, to protect her husband, but at this point, especially after he said he didn't sleep, it's disrespectful to not tell him the truth.

Moreover, she tries to manipulate him with sex just after this convo, it fails miserably

She shows in this kind of relation a two face.
On the phone with her son she asked him to tell her everything like there is no border between a mom and her son and begins to tell him about his birth.
With Hutch she shows a complete other side of hers, like he's still a kid, breakable, a kid who wants to know where the babies come from and she tells about the cranes.

 

[Shar4263]

To be honest this is the first time I have seen people dissect every game folder and line of codes of a game just to find .1% extra from the story or future paths, but hey this game is worth it

 

[Adhdclassic]

In the end I hope they stay together. Their still in love with each other they decide to live with their choices and move on. But they are never the same. Hutch is much colder Vivian becomes more docile and tortured. She has occasionally nightmares and panic attacks. They move away, son doesn't talk to his parents that often. End with them quietly eating dinner as the camera pans out the window an showing the couple looking down at their plates as they eat.

 

[Gattsu#Struggler]

In the end I hope they stay together. Their still in love with each other they decide to live with their choices and move on. But they are never the same. Hutch is much colder Vivian becomes more docile and tortured. She has occasionally nightmares and panic attacks. They move away, son doesn't talk to his parents that often. End with them quietly eating dinner as the camera pans out the window an showing the couple looking down at their plates as they eat.

...and every now and then, especially after a home game of the basketball team, Hutch rests on the couch while listening to mattresses symphony coming from their bedroom...

 

[Adhdclassic]

Has anyone given a theory on each one of these titles. Especially when does the son find out. The price of love to me will have something to do with the son.
#A Husband's Sacrifice
#The Price of Love
#Shadows of Forgiveness
#Shadows of Silence

 

[packard1928]

Not so sure... Dev said this was going to be a big test for Hutch and Vivian. Previews show 2 big event for them. Also said there will be a moment with the Mechanic that will test Vivian.

 

[Hattyrulz]

Not so sure... Dev said this was going to be a big test for Hutch and Vivian. Previews show 2 big event for them. Also said there will be a moment with the Mechanic that will test Vivian.

if you have read the dialogue between vivian and the mechanic... there is 1 that says it all
see something you like and vivian replies no then says yes... interpret it however you want..

Has anyone given a theory on each one of these titles. Especially when does the son find out. The price of love to me will have something to do with the son.
#A Husband's Sacrifice
#The Price of Love
#Shadows of Forgiveness
#Shadows of Silence

i tried opening up the script fill and failed ... so dunno what those tags are for.... it might just be place holders for the updates as a whole since its 4 updates to completing the vn. and you previous post even if its a sad ending i hope that this vn ends... not Gattsu#Struggler addition to the ending.... a big NO.

 

[Gattsu#Struggler]

Has anyone given a theory on each one of these titles. Especially when does the son find out. The price of love to me will have something to do with the son.
#A Husband's Sacrifice
#The Price of Love
#Shadows of Forgiveness
#Shadows of Silence

#A Husband's Sacrifice

• open up the marriage for Vivian but not for himself - a sacrifice Hutch is willing to pay for the love of his wife (from Hutch's manipulated pov)

#The Price of Love

• open marriage becomes open source; rules are history; no secrets left; no details remain uncovered

#Shadows of Forgiveness

• sth happens that causes Sawyer to keep distance from his parents

#Shadows of Silence

• Sawyer trying to follow his mom with a car who is with Lamonte and giving him head while Lamonte drives her german car; Sawyer dies in an accident with his car; marriage re-establishment successful but overshadowed with mutual muteness

 

[tg]

#A Husband's Sacrifice
#The Price of Love
#Shadows of Forgiveness
#Shadows of Silence

#A Husband's Sacrifice = a focus on Hutch, and what he sacrifices on the way to keep his marriage together.

#The Price of Love = a focus on Vivian, as she does her whoring.

#Shadows of Forgiveness = the couple try to come back together again, as husband and wife. Maybe Hutch even fucks her again.

#Shadows of Silence = but it doesn't work. There's been too much, and the marriage breaks down, each going their separate ways.