Include a gratuitous scene that might not fit completely with the main story?


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Robb123456

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I've said it multiple times but I don't see how this VN could have a "good" ending :

-Hutch can't unsee what he's seen and will maybe have others traumatic memories about his "wife"

- When you look at the list (maybe not definitive) of the characters in script.rpy, it's not a large number. So i guess everyone will have a role to play at a moment of the story. I think t a moment Vivian will break her family beyond repair, the main vehiucle for that being her son.

- Even if the dev said planned tags are not definitive, i think grim experiences await our couple.

When we talk about a good ending, it would the least bad ending, mainly for Hutch :

- Christian pays for what he's done. Maybe through work, maybe through money, maybe from another betrayed husband, maybe Hutch, maybe DOJ.

- Vivian has to pay for her betrayals

- Hutch finds love elsewhere.

If Vivian and Hutch would stay together, it would not be a good ending.

es, I agree that he concluded that this is out of his hands. Hutch tried to hide his wife for 6 years and I think it is not only because he is insecure, but also because he knows that there is something wrong with his wife. Maybe because he thought she would cheat. And, indeed, Vivian only needed a little extra "push", "just outside in the table in his boss's house". We will know for sure in the next installments. I love this game, thanks dev.
Maybe it's also bc Hutch has seen how his boss behaves with women, the blackmail thing may not be his first attempt.
 

TheDuke9999

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I think the concern here in taking that approach will be Vivian's acclimation towards being more sexually intimate with Christian due to her getting that implied free pass from Hutch.

Eventually, she will become more comfortable in Chris's presence and as a result, it will be seen as 'business as usual' for her and Chris.

Hutch certainly does exhibit a lot of the qualities of what a stereotypical representation of a cuck would look like. Being submissive and a natural yes man sort of a person, not questioning Christian's directives or politely interjecting in conversations between Chris/Vivian when he knows deep down that Chris's behaviour towards his wife is not appropriate at all given that Hutch is Vivian's husband. As an example, when Chris gets too touchy/feely/gropy with Vivian right in front of Hutch, he is looking to fish for a reaction out of Hutch, and when Hutch doesn't so much as bat an eyelash at what Chris is doing to his wife right in front of his own eyes, then Chris got the green light to continue such behaviour in-front of Hutch without fearing for reprisal of any sort from the latter.



In the initial stages of Vivian and Chris's interactions, we rarely see the former displaying any sort of genuine affection for Chris. At-least not yet. It's moreso the case that Vivian is being strung along for the ride, but eventually it might be the case that Vivian will come to appreciate and like the attention/daringness that she comes to expect from Chris, that she had wanted Hutch to fulfill that role, but since Hutch is not quite in the position to reciprocate those feelings of domination/daringness, and their sex life appears to have grown stale over the years, she turns to Christian to compensate for that gap in their relationship between her and Hutch.

Over time, Vivian could continue to put up the charade that she is only doing this with Hutch's best interests in mind, but I think we can all safely agree that there is an unspoken ulterior motive as well to explain why Vivian is continuing the tit for tat between her and Christian and not outrightly leaving the relationship altogether.
In the first meeting with the boss , he went to kiss her on the cheek. If you watch closely she thought he wanted to kiss her on the lips and she was trying to kiss him on the lips until he went for the cheek.. the wife wanted the boss before she INSISTED on joining her husband when she was specifically told to stay home. When she showed up the boss knew she wanted to have sex and humiliate the husband.. she keeps saying she is doing this for the husband job but it's a smoke screen to deal with the guilt that she enjoys humiliating her husband and cuckolding him in front of him.. in the end she insistent that he husband go with her to the boss house when hubby gave her permission to bang his boss. She loves torturing and humiliating hutch. That gets her off most.
 

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In the first meeting with the boss , he went to kiss her on the cheek. If you watch closely she thought he wanted to kiss her on the lips and she was trying to kiss him on the lips until he went for the cheek.. the wife wanted the boss before she INSISTED on joining her husband when she was specifically told to stay home. When she showed up the boss knew she wanted to have sex and humiliate the husband.. she keeps saying she is doing this for the husband job but it's a smoke screen to deal with the guilt that she enjoys humiliating her husband and cuckolding him in front of him.. in the end she insistent that he husband go with her to the boss house when hubby gave her permission to bang his boss. She loves torturing and humiliating hutch. That gets her off most.
As much as I find Vivian to be an unlikable person (controlling her weak husband, constantly lying to him, being easily manipulated, and deluding herself about Hutch not knowing she was at Christian's house to get fucked, and that she got fucked, etc.), I don't think she currently enjoys humiliating Hutch. This may eventually change, but that is not what is going on now. Getting Vivian to humiliate Hutch, is ONE of the ways Christian is humiliating Vivian. Christian knows that Vivian's betrayal of Hutch torments her, and he enjoys the power he has over her to get her to do it. He also enjoys the sexual power he has over her. Giving her orgasms is not about caring about Vivian, it is about his power over her. That is why he did not stop fucking her on the kitchen table until he made her cum. She told him to stop, but he kept going to show his dominance, and he forced an orgasm on her. He treated her like a whore when he fucked her in the garden, and in the kitchen. He did the same thing with some of the blowjobs, particularly when he made her gag. That is why she is grimacing in those scenes. Yes, she eventually starts enjoying it, but he shows his contempt for her by how he treats her. Whenever he seems like he is being gentle or tender with her, that is simply him wrapping her around his finger. Think of abusive boyfriends who know when to be gentle with the girlfriends they abuse. As I wrote in a previous post, Christian is humiliating Hutch AND Vivian. If you look at what Christian says to Vivian, and even the way he has sex with her, he is being very abusive. If Vivian ends up with Christian in the end, she will be nothing more than one of his trophies. He will do the same thing to the next couple, that he is doing to Vivian and Hutch, that he sees is an easy mark.
 

mfe3450

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I want to ask something: I'm asking because I don't know. While a few friends on the forum were saying how slutty Vivian was, they pointed out the tattoo on her hip. Is this to say "the woman who gets a tattoo there is a slut" or does that tattoo send a message to those who see it?
 
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TonyMurray

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In the first meeting with the boss , he went to kiss her on the cheek. If you watch closely she thought he wanted to kiss her on the lips and she was trying to kiss him on the lips until he went for the cheek.. the wife wanted the boss before she INSISTED on joining her husband when she was specifically told to stay home. When she showed up the boss knew she wanted to have sex and humiliate the husband.. she keeps saying she is doing this for the husband job but it's a smoke screen to deal with the guilt that she enjoys humiliating her husband and cuckolding him in front of him.. in the end she insistent that he husband go with her to the boss house when hubby gave her permission to bang his boss. She loves torturing and humiliating hutch. That gets her off most.
I disagree. DarkArchon says most of what I think about that, though, so I won't repeat it all. I think Vivian was sucked in, and was definitely mentally prepared and even longing for the second kiss to be on the lips. I think she knew when the dress arrived (and maybe before, with the "if you're not there, it's over" speech) that she might have to approach, and possibly cross, a line during dinner. As things progressed, that initial mental preparation meant her defenses were low - she was expecting that she would have to do something to rescue the situation, because Hutch was showing that he wasn't going to be able to win the day through his own means.

She insisted on going to Christian's house because she was played, though. She realised shortly after arrival that Christian was testing her and not Hutch, and that was one of the final steps in realising what was to come that night. None of it (on her side, at least) was about humiliating Hutch. I just don't see anything that she does as intentionally being done to humiliate him. Yes, it's a humiliating situation for him (although the pain is a much higher feeling, I'd say), but there's no indication whatsoever that there's any intent to humilate on Vivian's part, or that she gets off on humilating and/or torturing him.

Unlike some people who have discussed this previously, I think she is genuinely remorseful for the hurt she is causing Hutch, she's just in too deep and feels it would be worse to stop than to continue - "I mean... after everything I've been through.... WE... what we've been through... we wouldn't want it to be for nothing... what we've gone through so far."

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On a different topic. Sometimes text in a tattoo is just text in a tattoo. It might have no relevence to the story whatsoever. It could literally just be the dev's favourite poem or just a random line that he really likes, and he thought it would be a nice addition.
 

TonyMurray

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I want to ask something: I'm asking because I don't know. While a few friends on the forum were saying how slutty Vivian was, they pointed out the tattoo on her hip. Is this to say "the woman who gets a tattoo there is a slut" or does that tattoo send a message to those who see it?
My understanding is they think it's "the woman who gets a tattoo there is a slut", and that it therefore sends the message that she is a slut. There's no message that the tattoo in itself sends, it's not like it's a Queen of Spades tattoo or anything.
 

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I think this is what Vivien or MC dreams of, it would be a big twist at the end. Everyone prepares for the worst and the stress was just a dream
 

biggsexxxy

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I want to ask something: I'm asking because I don't know. While a few friends on the forum were saying how slutty Vivian was, they pointed out the tattoo on her hip. Is this to say "the woman who gets a tattoo there is a slut" or does that tattoo send a message to those who see it?
Its the placement of the tattoo that insinuates that she is a slut, many young women in the late 90's and 2000's got "tramp stamps" and were perceived to be sluts, but in all honesty it was just a sexy spot to get a tattoo, later in the 2000's to 2010's the new tramp stamp became the ribs/hip area.....

On a different topic. Sometimes text in a tattoo is just text in a tattoo. It might have no relevence to the story whatsoever. It could literally just be the dev's favourite poem or just a random line that he really likes, and he thought it would be a nice addition.
or he really likes Evan Rachel Wood....
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TonyMurray

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or he really likes Evan Rachel Wood....
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Nice find, I've not seen that before, but it's the same thing perhaps - likes the poem/those two lines from the poem and wants to show that off. It doesn't have to have a deeper meaning (though of course, on the other hand it might turn out to be massively important).

One thing is for sure, it's made for a lot of discussion back and forth, and that for me is the sign of a good game - people are looking for clues and answers in absolutely everything!
 

biggsexxxy

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One thing is for sure, it's made for a lot of discussion back and forth, and that for me is the sign of a good game - people are looking for clues and answers in absolutely everything!
Honestly since I went searching for my Poe book, it brought back a lot of memories, and I always liked that poem, so I could see that as just being there for that reason....

And yes, it has made for a lot of discussion and that is defiantly a good thing, I was sitting on that Evan Rachel Wood pic for a week hoping someone else would stumble on it, lol
 

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My understanding is they think it's "the woman who gets a tattoo there is a slut", and that it therefore sends the message that she is a slut. There's no message that the tattoo in itself sends, it's not like it's a Queen of Spades tattoo or anything.


I also wonder this; How can a woman who was so hot and naughty in her youth be left without anal sex? I don't think saying "I'm scared and I don't want it" won't save a young woman.
 

TonyMurray

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I also wonder this; How can a woman who was so hot and naughty in her youth be left without anal sex? I don't think saying "I'm scared and I don't want it" won't save a young woman.
Well, first of all we don't know that she was naughty in her youth (and technically, we also don't know that she was hot, though we've seen a "younger Vivian" render the dev shared). Secondly, being "sexually naughty" does not automatically mean that you have anal sex. Lots of people who you might consider naughty do not want anal sex, for a variety of reasons, just as lots of people you might not consider naughty do have anal sex. And saying "I'm scared and I don't want it" won't save a young woman... are you talking about rape there? Because that sounds like rape if she says she doesn't want it and you're saying that wouldn't stop it from happening.
 

mfe3450

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Well, first of all we don't know that she was naughty in her youth (and technically, we also don't know that she was hot, though we've seen a "younger Vivian" render the dev shared). Secondly, being "sexually naughty" does not automatically mean that you have anal sex. Lots of people who you might consider naughty do not want anal sex, for a variety of reasons, just as lots of people you might not consider naughty do have anal sex. And saying "I'm scared and I don't want it" won't save a young woman... are you talking about rape there? Because that sounds like rape if she says she doesn't want it and you're saying that wouldn't stop it from happening.
I said that Vivian is hot and naughty by looking at her tattoo. I think Christian will answer the rape part in the later stages of the game. I think Christian will not be done with her until he tastes Vivian's back hole. We will see whether this will be consensual or rape..
 

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I've said it multiple times but I don't see how this VN could have a "good" ending
If Vivian and Hutch would stay together, it would not be a good ending
Christian pays for what he's done
Hutch finds love elsewhere
Vivian has to pay for her betrayals
you have already explained a possible happy ending for hutch ... thats what most readers are hoping for in the end. thats not a good ending... just the best of the bad endings.
 

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Of course, not everyone has the same idea of what a good ending would be...so perhaps it could be an ending that would be good to most of us. We shall see!
 

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As things progressed, that initial mental preparation meant her defenses were low - she was expecting that she would have to do something to rescue the situation, because Hutch was showing that he wasn't going to be able to win the day through his own means.
In all fairness, Vivian didn't even give Hutch a chance to do something. She commandeered the whole situation, and basically shoehorned him into her plan. His agency was taken away from him, by her, the moment he told her about the lost accounts. Just another example of her self-centered narcissistic personality.

Unlike some people who have discussed this previously, I think she is genuinely remorseful for the hurt she is causing Hutch, she's just in too deep and feels it would be worse to stop than to continue - "I mean... after everything I've been through.... WE... what we've been through... we wouldn't want it to be for nothing... what we've gone through so far."
I agree she did not do it to humiliate or hurt Hutch, after all, in many places she demanded that Hutch not find out. Her completely lying to him also inferred her trying to keep the secret.
Her continuing to use "WE" instead of "I" though, is a big slap in the face to Hutch. He didn't have any say in it. It was not his plan, nor a joint plan, in any way. Just another example of her selfish personality.

I don't know how he managed to stay married to her for 22 years. He must really love her, and as they say, love is blind.
They also say beauty is only skin deep, but ugliness is to the bone!
 
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