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TheDuke9999

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For me, it's not cuck/cuckolding so far. At the moment, I would describe it more as a kind of wifesharing.

Thanks Tony. I read your list some time ago. Not all of it. Respect for your detailed work. Your list, animal list, review and that you let your own experience/interpretations flow into it. It's very well done. With your wealth of experience you could certainly write a good vn.
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I missed nothing. She wasn't going to ask Hutch for a permission nor going to try to convince Hutch to let her help Christian on the little project after she realized that Hutch caught her!
Vivian emptied one and a half bottle of wine and clearly suggested to Hutch to move out of the city being ready to pack her stuff.
Hutch being Huutch instead of agreeing to leave town together told her that he wants her to help on the little project and work with Christian.
Christian couldn't ask for a better wingman!
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keep it civil gents.... everyone is free to think on their own....no one is forcing anyone with their view.... some maybe facts which people interpret in different ways. like how tony went about the usage of the word cuck in relation to hutch. you can agree / disagree. the contradicting theories are what is keeping the thread and vn interesting(one of the many aspects of the vn)
 
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Once you take the enjoyment out of it, there isn't really a word for "person who is cheated on" these days - "cuck" is probably about as close as we get in English, but today, that automatically has the negative or sexual connotation to it that isn't always appropriate to the situation. Sometimes the person being cheated on is just a person being cheated on. They might not even know about it, so how can they enjoy it?
At this stage of the development of the word and concept, I think, the meaning and application of "cuck" has to include how the "victim" REACTS to the fact. I agree that the application on somebody who doesn't know at all is somewhat outdated or a deliberate smear (although one could say that him really not knowing is already sign of a certain weakness in itself). This reaction decides if he is a cuck or not (i.e. tolerating it, not protesting not leaving etc. but not necessarily enjoying it). This gives us a wider meaning of the term than the narrow one of instigating and enjoying it which is a fetish def of the term which is totally alright. This distinction seems to be important for this game, because I would see Hutch absolutely as a cuck in the sense of his reaction (already in the very moment it happens and after). If he is one in the fetish sense is up to the future of the game and is the interesting thing to see.
 

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At this stage of the development of the word and concept, I think, the meaning and application of "cuck" has to include how the "victim" REACTS to the fact. I agree that the application on somebody who doesn't know at all is somewhat outdated or a deliberate smear (although one could say that him really not knowing is already sign of a certain weakness in itself). This reaction decides if he es a cuck or not. This gives us a wider meaning of the term than the narrow one of instigating and enjoying it which is a fetish def of the term which is totally alright. This distinction seems to be important for this game, because I would see Hutch absolutely as a cuck in the sense of his reaction (already in the very moment it happens and after). If he is one in the fetish sense is up to the future of the game and is the interesting thing to see.
A good technical term for Hutch would be a "wittol" or "wittold" - a man who is aware of his wife's infidelity (and puts up with it). It is accurate because it shows that he knows she's fucking someone else, but doesn't suggest any form of enjoyment of the situation on his part.
 

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I didn't know that term existed, interesting. And it even seems to be old.

Edit: But maybe it's more a term for silent knowledge and silently putting up with in contrast to openly talking about it with your wife and giving explicit consent? Because it etymologically stresses the element of knowledge as such.
 
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Little help for the dummy:
I missed nothing. She wasn't going to ask Hutch for a permission nor going to try to convince Hutch to let her help Christian on the little project after she realized that Hutch caught her!
Vivian emptied one and a half bottle of wine and clearly suggested to Hutch to move out of the city being ready to pack her stuff.
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Hutch being Huutch instead of agreeing to leave town together told her that he wants her to help on the little project and work with Christian.
Christian couldn't ask for a better wingman!
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talking code:
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I missed nothing. She wasn't going to ask Hutch for a permission nor going to try to convince Hutch to let her help Christian on the little project after she realized that Hutch caught her!
Vivian emptied one and a half bottle of wine and clearly suggested to Hutch to move out of the city being ready to pack her stuff.
Hutch being Huutch instead of agreeing to leave town together told her that he wants her to help on the little project and work with Christian.
Christian couldn't ask for a better wingman!
Yes but this same conversation is when he say to work with Christian and then opens the marriage. To me... This leads to He has a plan he wants to do to bring Christian down.
 

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Good chance Hutch loves his wife but what she has done has changed him. He is going to use his wife to either get dirt on Christian that can do him harm or his clients harm. Vivian will be oblivious that her husband is using her. Hutch knows Christian has shady business practices; he'll use her to get his revenge.
 

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Good chance Hutch loves his wife but what she has done has changed him. He is going to use his wife to either get dirt on Christian that can do him harm or his clients harm. Vivian will be oblivious that her husband is using her. Hutch knows Christian has shady business practices; he'll use her to get his revenge.
I agree . I Think he has that mindset to bring down Christian first then he can fix his marriage next. We'll see how the Dev writes it.
 
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I agree . I Think he has that mindset to bring down Christian first then he can fix his marriage next. We'll see how the Dev writes it.
I hope but the question will be will she if she finds out Hutch used her. Personally I think in a weird way she will be happy. That situation will actually bring us back to the beginning when Christian asked Hutch to write down his weakness. He knew his weaknesses once his wife did what she did he decided to deal with it. Wouldn't be surprised if he wrote down his weakness after all.
 

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We do know know yet. I think after this release we may. Dev said this is mostly about Vivian. He noted that all the previews were abount the following release... so we are kinda blind about where this is going. I hope they join force so to speak and begin to take Christian down. As for her sleeping around... Maybe Hutch will take a Spy mentality to do what you have to do to complete the mission ..
 

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I hope but the question will be will she if she finds out Hutch used her. Personally I think in a weird way she will be happy. That situation will actually bring us back to the beginning when Christian asked Hutch to write down his weakness. He knew his weaknesses once his wife did what she did he decided to deal with it. Wouldn't be surprised if he wrote down his weakness after all.
At Christian's house? Hutch wasn't asked to write down his weaknesses, it was the strengths and weaknesses of five clients, and the same for five prospective clients.
 
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Friends, I want to ask you a question that I'm curious about the answer to: Does Christian get more pleasure from going back and forth in Vivian's holes, or from the humiliation of Hutch knowing this, or from Vivian's situation between pleasure and helplessness?
 

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Friends, I want to ask you a question that I'm curious about the answer to: Does Christian get more pleasure from going back and forth in Vivian's holes, or from the humiliation of Hutch knowing this, or from Vivian's situation between pleasure and helplessness?
I'll ask him next time I see him.

(Personally though, I guess it would be a combination of the physical pleasure and the pleasure of the situation.)
 

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Code.. seriously.. at this point.. Hutch lost his wife. Why don't you wrote were she has her inner monolog saying how she will let Hutch feel like he is in charge by letting her be the hooker she has always dreamed of being.. the boss and wife played Hutch.. the boss orchestrated while the wife blew him all the way home.. now it's time for real humiliation Hutch, now you feel pain sucker.. Hutch is a loser and we thank him for that so we can watch his wife be the slut God wants her to be
 
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Being that he is a sociopath I am sure he Loves the sex that is evident in his speach as he is fucking her. But,,, I think he loves the game of it more. As he mentioned... He has done this many times before. However he did not say what those people were to him.. Say clients, supplies or employees ect...
 

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At Christian's house? Hutch wasn't asked to write down his weaknesses, it was the strengths and weaknesses of five clients, and the same for five prospective clients.
You are right my wording was mixed with my perception of what Christians real reasoning. For me it felt like he really didn't care about the client aspect he was going to use to it on Hutch. Might be looking too far into it, might have been just what it was wanted sometime to fuck his wife.
 
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TonyMurray

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You are right my wording was mixed with my perception of what Christians real reasoning. For me it felt like he really didn't care about the client aspect he was going to use to it on Hutch. Might be looking too far into it, might have been just what it was wanted sometime to fuck his wife.
Yeah, it was clearly just to keep Hutch busy for a while - he wasn't interested in even seeing if anything had been written when they got back.
 
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