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But he does know now, and she knows he knows. She also knows she is not carrying for the both of them, if anything Hutch is doing the heavy lifting with the burden. And yet knowing this, other than feeling guilty, she does nothing... absolutely nothing to ease or even lighten the burden. Instead of all times to "listen and obey" Hutch, it's when he offers her free reign to fuck Christian.

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Loyalty? Honesty?

She lied about leaving early in the morning and visited Christian: Honesty -= 1
First disrespectful contact was the kiss on the lips: Loyalty -= 1
Wanting another kiss and savoring the moment: Loyalty -= 1

Accepting the dress, and lying about it origin multiple times: Honesty -= 5, Loyalty -= 1
Demanding to go to the dinner, even when Hutch told her not to: Honesty -= 1, Loyalty -= 1
Refusing to change to something more fitting: Loyalty -= 1

Not calling out Christian when he kissed her at his home: Loyalty -= 1
Not telling Hutch about her impending plan: Honesty -= 10
Fucking In the backyard: Loyalty -= 100
Lying to Hutch when asked about it repeatedly: Honesty -= 20

Fucking Christian all night: Loyalty -= 1000
Lying to Hutch when asked about it repeatedly: Honesty -= 200
Lying about the phone call late at night: Honesty -= 1
Sending a pic to Christian: Loyalty -= 1

Lying to Hutch when asked everything in following days: Honesty -= 50, Loyalty -= 50
Rolling up to his work, knowing it was a wrong move: Loyalty -= 5
Fucking Christian in the bathroom, and enjoying it: Loyalty -= 2000
Lying to Hutch on the phone while fucking him: Honesty -= 50

More private meetings and communication with Christian: Loyalty -= 10, Honesty -= 5
Not coming clean admitting everything to Hutch when she knows he know: Loyalty -= 100, Honesty -= 500
Agreeing to the "open relationship" as the only suggestion she accepts, even if the has the choice not to !!!: Loyalty -= 1000

I probably missed a few, but i think we all get the gist.
Final tally:

Loyalty = -4272
Honesty = -843


Seriously no matter how you look at it, regardless if you think she is misguided or manipulated or manipulative, or plain naive. Her actions are disgusting and unbecoming of any spouse in a long loving marriage. She is for the streets.

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The scene where she tries to seduce Hutch and let him know he is her man, and she is his woman... Please!
We can see her gradual decline. She was an unwilling partner in the backyard, and even up to the point in the kitchen. By that last fuck in the bedroom, we can see her attitude changing as she was getting into it. Finally in the bathroom scene, her false pretense finally came down, and we all witness how into and willing she was to be Christian's fuck toy and cum dump.
v: "Anything you want"
very well said and honestly the only point i have tried to make is the boss could have easily said meet me at a hotel room. hutch would have never known the better. wifey would have done it too. nobody would have ever known. for the wife to do all this in hutch's presence shows she went along with the boss's plan to humiliate and cuck hutch which makes her even more guilty because she is the strong partner , she is the brains, she is the wife, even though she knows she enjoys it over and over again . her tears arent for hutch , they are for herself because she knows the boss made her fall in love with the D and her life will never be the same again.. from housewife to hoe hoe hoe hoe
 
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JoeBlogs

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Reflecting on Vivian's actions, it reminds me of a quote form the movie My big fat Greek wedding...
"The man might be the head of the family, but the woman is the neck!". Think about it!
 
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But he does know now, and she knows he knows. She also knows she is not carrying for the both of them, if anything Hutch is doing the heavy lifting with the burden. And yet knowing this, other than feeling guilty, she does nothing... absolutely nothing to ease or even lighten the burden. Instead of all times to "listen and obey" Hutch, it's when he offers her free reign to fuck Christian.

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Loyalty? Honesty?

She lied about leaving early in the morning and visited Christian: Honesty -= 1
First disrespectful contact was the kiss on the lips: Loyalty -= 1
Wanting another kiss and savoring the moment: Loyalty -= 1

Accepting the dress, and lying about it origin multiple times: Honesty -= 5, Loyalty -= 1
Demanding to go to the dinner, even when Hutch told her not to: Honesty -= 1, Loyalty -= 1
Refusing to change to something more fitting: Loyalty -= 1

Not calling out Christian when he kissed her at his home: Loyalty -= 1
Not telling Hutch about her impending plan: Honesty -= 10
Fucking In the backyard: Loyalty -= 100
Lying to Hutch when asked about it repeatedly: Honesty -= 20

Fucking Christian all night: Loyalty -= 1000
Lying to Hutch when asked about it repeatedly: Honesty -= 200
Lying about the phone call late at night: Honesty -= 1
Sending a pic to Christian: Loyalty -= 1

Lying to Hutch when asked everything in following days: Honesty -= 50, Loyalty -= 50
Rolling up to his work, knowing it was a wrong move: Loyalty -= 5
Fucking Christian in the bathroom, and enjoying it: Loyalty -= 2000
Lying to Hutch on the phone while fucking him: Honesty -= 50

More private meetings and communication with Christian: Loyalty -= 10, Honesty -= 5
Not coming clean admitting everything to Hutch when she knows he know: Loyalty -= 100, Honesty -= 500
Agreeing to the "open relationship" as the only suggestion she accepts, even if the has the choice not to !!!: Loyalty -= 1000

I probably missed a few, but i think we all get the gist.
Final tally:

Loyalty = -4272
Honesty = -843


Seriously no matter how you look at it, regardless if you think she is misguided or manipulated or manipulative, or plain naive. Her actions are disgusting and unbecoming of any spouse in a long loving marriage. She is for the streets.

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The scene where she tries to seduce Hutch and let him know he is her man, and she is his woman... Please!
We can see her gradual decline. She was an unwilling partner in the backyard, and even up to the point in the kitchen. By that last fuck in the bedroom, we can see her attitude changing as she was getting into it. Finally in the bathroom scene, her false pretense finally came down, and we all witness how into and willing she was to be Christian's fuck toy and cum dump.
v: "Anything you want"
I can't find anything here that I disagree with other than I think she was at least partially willing during the first fuck in the bedroom and during the fucking she got in the kitchen. Based on the moans and screams, she REALLY loved that first fucking in the bedroom, and after her initial reluctance, enjoyed the fucking in the kitchen. As I wrote before, I find Vivian to be unlikable (I find all 3 unlikable for different reasons already mentioned). I do think she does not want to loose Hutch, and that is the source of her fear and discomfort. Duke is correct in that Christian could have been discreet about fucking Vivian, and given her behavior so far, Vivian would probably have gone along with it. He could have arranged for a secret meeting somewhere, and probably could have fucked her regularly behind Hutch's back. Christian handled it the way that he did because he wanted to humiliate Hutch and Vivian. The desire to humiliate others is coming from Christian. He is a sadistic, manipulative, psychopath. Christian is using Vivian to humiliate Hutch, and all three of them know this. Christian getting Vivian to participate in the humiliation is one way he is humiliating Vivian. Vivian is guilty of humiliating Hutch, but I don't think she is enjoying it. Her not enjoying it does not get her off the hook. It is simply ONE less way that she is betraying Hutch. None of them get off the hook with me. I could write paragraphs about how messed up each one of them was. That is why I am fine if they all suffer in the end. There is an ending I would like to see with Christian. Imagine if one of the wives whose marriage he destroyed showed up with a gun and took him out. It would be great if she gave him a speech about how she had a great husband who treated her well, loved her, and loved their kids, but she lost it all because she started fucking Christian and was too stupid to see what it was going to cost her. She then tells him that her husband left her, and their kids hate her because of her betraying their father. She then takes out Christian saying he is going to pay for everything she lost.
 
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now who is blurring the lines between real life and vn :D


i think more along the line of using real life logic but with a huge helping of adult game logic. in weaving the real life and vn logic into one streamlined story is what's creating the various debates that have taken place in this thread.


thats a mild way to phrase it... but if it did happen in real life then she was not the right partner. thats how i think... as someone in the thread posted ... vivian and hutch's marriage seems superficial for a couple who has been married for 22 years... and my longest relationship was 10 years which was with my wife... so i may not know how longer relationships change but in those 10 years, we never had any crisis we couldn't face after having a simple conversation. so such logic breaking reasoning when mixed in with the real life reasons sparks a reaction in me.
Well i have to add to this expierence of you that i have seen marriage after 20 years having a crisis beacuse when they startet young the have other expectation and as the time passed they would become like kind of routine and sex was seldom ans as a result a young coworker at work brought some life and some energy and it happened that the maariage woman was feeling younger again and she crossed the line even not loving the coworker was just a sex affair and a the end she went back to her husband but with many conditions . And she had to go through a very hard time until she could have the trust from her husband again. Today they are still topgether but he when we are playing poker tells me that he cant forget what happened .I think thats hard
 

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Others people have said it but have you considered Christian did all this bc of Addison ? I was thinking about the thing it's not sure Christian is Addison's uncle. Let's say he's his lover or her father. Christian lost the two accounts to fire Hutch. Then he meets Vivian who clearly fancies him (calling him substantial and shit...). He fucks her to humiliate Hutch and enjoyed it.

It would be very funny that it all started not bc of Hutch's insecurity but Christian's...

All that to maybe bring Addison and Hutch closer...
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Him looking at Hutch this way is the first time, he doesn't seem to be his cocky self.

Imagine now Vivian cheating her husvband to keep his job, became Christian's subsmissive slut and progressively despising her husband, learning Hutch has never done anything to lose his job, and that she has been all along a tool for Chrsitian's revenge. Then she loses everything.
 

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Imagine now Vivian cheating her husvband to keep his job, became Christian's subsmissive slut and progressively despising her husband, learning Hutch has never done anything to lose his job, and that she has been all along a tool for Chrsitian's revenge. Then she loses everything.
The dev has stated that some of the speculation has been spot on, I believe this is the one, the boss is responsible for the loss of those two contracts and just wanted Hutch to be the scapegoat, what will happen when the wife finds out about this? With the cocky (pun 1) attitude from the boss he will slip up at some point and mention it.

Will the wife be too deep (pun 2) at that point and not give a shit (possible pun 3)? She has defended Hutch every time the boss has tried to put Hutch down - which is another reason I believe there is still some disturbed form of love there.
 
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Others people have said it but have you considered Christian did all this bc of Addison ? I was thinking about the thing it's not sure Christian is Addison's uncle. Let's say he's his lover or her father. Christian lost the two accounts to fire Hutch. Then he meets Vivian who clearly fancies him (calling him substantial and shit...). He fucks her to humiliate Hutch and enjoyed it.

It would be very funny that it all started not bc of Hutch's insecurity but Christian's...

All that to maybe bring Addison and Hutch closer...
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Him looking at Hutch this way is the first time, he doesn't seem to be his cocky self.

Imagine now Vivian cheating her husvband to keep his job, became Christian's subsmissive slut and progressively despising her husband, learning Hutch has never done anything to lose his job, and that she has been all along a tool for Chrsitian's revenge. Then she loses everything.
A good twist for me would be if it turns out that hutch had an ONS accident with Addison first and that's why he's so insecure and depressed because he can't handle it. without her knowing, Christian found out and maybe saw it. After that, he wants to make Hutch's life a living hell. The addition of Vivian wasn't part of the plan until he found out she was attractive and willing, which played into his hands even more. In the end, everyone would be responsible and guilty.
 
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damn this thread still going strong tbh I took a break from this one was to much for me to keep up with
 
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Was laughing to a none funny joke. DEV said a theory was spot on. I thinking there has been over probably 5000 theories one of them has to hit. question is which one. I can see when the next update comes out people searching to see who was right.
 

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We could place bets on which theories are correct :)
God knows I've put forward a shit load of them, I fancy my odds!
 

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Remember this is a porn game, without that scene there is no story. The dev could have taken the slow route of the wife going out to dinner with the boss constantly until he slowly wears her down but then we would have all complained about the "slow burn" to get decent content.
Totally agree on this one...(y)
 

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Totally agree on this one...(y)
In the spirit of this just being a porn game I thought of a scene where Christian shows Hutch his appreciation for Hutch's hard work. Christian, "Hutch, I noticed your recent hard work. Sales are up, and our clients are happy. I know yesterday was your wedding anniversary so I decided to do something special for you since you work here has improved. Yesterday, on your anniversary, as I was fucking Vivian, I told her to imagine it was you fucking her instead of me. After that, I told her that I wanted her to scream your name instead of mine every time she came really hard. The first three times she came, she screamed my name, but I told her, 'No, not Christian! Hutch!' the fourth time she came, she almost screamed, 'Christian!' but at the last second changed it to, 'Hutch!' I just wanted you to know that I have your back. If you keep up the good work, the next time I fuck Vivian, I will give her a few orgasms on your behalf."
 

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The married couple will stay together at the end of the game. And in the prologue, they get married again on the occasion of their 25th wedding anniversary. The only question will be what will happen to Chrissel, will there be revenge, will their company be destroyed, will he go to prison for embezzlement, will someone kill him, these are my main thoughts.
Since the DEV said that not everyone will like the ending of the game, the frauds and the humiliations that the husband experienced, many people would choose divorce. An interesting story.
 

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The married couple will stay together at the end of the game. And in the prologue, they get married again on the occasion of their 25th wedding anniversary. The only question will be what will happen to Chrissel, will there be revenge, will their company be destroyed, will he go to prison for embezzlement, will someone kill him, these are my main thoughts.
Since the DEV said that not everyone will like the ending of the game, the frauds and the humiliations that the husband experienced, many people would choose divorce. An interesting story.
It's gonna be a story of struggle. Hutch, still wants to hold onto his wife. Christian wants to see how far he can play with the couple. Vivian struggles to hold onto what she has at home, but still eventually wanting what Christian shows her (on their dates).

I can't predict what the end is like. Too much is yet to be revealed. But, I thinik the base of the story is struggle. And, maybe the consequences that all the lies and active cheating has on the marriage. I do look forward to seeing more of the story.
 

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I think in the final chapter he may give us a choice between...
I don't think this would be the plan, currently at least. It sounds like the dev has things pretty well set in his head (and maybe "on paper" too) as to how things will go. Plus, if there is a choice at the end, not only will it require two different stories and sets of renders from that point on, but it would probably actually need the choice to be quite early in order to work properly. Otherwise, it will feel like some stuff comes out of nowhere (unless we resort to a load of flashbacks, which I feel would spoil the narrative). I don't think there could be a single point where you could say, "from here, we can perfectly branch to a good and a bad ending" without then continuing on for an update's worth of story on each path, because those endings would likely need to be quite different.
Her panic here makes me believe that they had a loving family home before all of this, where her betrayal will destroy everything. She has said herself that she was not the type to betray her husband before this. Maybe Hutch is a decent father and the son actually loves and respects him, so finding out his mother betrayed his father like this she knows he will take Hutch's side.
That's the gist of it, she actually does say words to that effect:
"He's been such a wonderful husband and father..."
But he does know now, and she knows he knows. She also knows she is not carrying for the both of them, if anything Hutch is doing the heavy lifting with the burden.

Loyalty? Honesty?

Loyalty = -4272
Honesty = -843

Seriously no matter how you look at it, regardless if you think she is misguided or manipulated or manipulative, or plain naive. Her actions are disgusting and unbecoming of any spouse in a long loving marriage.
The bit I quoted about Vivian having to carry the burden for Hutch was before she knew for sure that Hutch knew - i.e., before she found out that he'd seen the bathroom sex. She said this in the shower the morning they got home from Christian's. Obviously things changed after that, so as you say, she (now) knows he knows, but it was quoted to show her mindset of trying to keep it from Hutch in order to protect him.

The loyalty/honesty stuff is pointless, because you're just assigning made-up scores in order to make a point. And if you were doing it right, you'd have to include the parts that would add positive scores to the tally too, even if there aren't as many of those.

It should be clear though, people like myself who are putting across our views of why Vivian did what she did, trying to explain what we think was going through her head and how she justifies it to herself, how she was manipulated into it, etc... we are not saying it makes Vivian innocent or good, or her actions justified or forgiveable. It doesn't mean that we think she has done the right thing. It's a terrible thing that she did, no matter how you paint it.

Personally though, I don't think we're anywhere near the point of Vivian being "for the streets". I don't think we've seen anything from her that tells us she's broken the dam, and now she's going to go out and try to get (different) cock wherever she can find it. If this were a real-life story, if Hutch and Vivian were people in your circle of friends, for instance, you probably wouldn't be saying that Vivian is now going to go and fuck that mechanic, or that student - she's having an affair with Christian, and at the moment that's it.

In general, I don't think people who have an affair immediately go out to add to their number. If we're honest, I think the only reason anyone is suggesting that Vivian will now start spreading her legs for everyone, is because this is a porn game, and we've seen it in every other porn game of the same type. From what we've seen so far though, the dev is telling a story through the emotions, expressions, and reactions of the characters as much as through the dialogue and their physical actions. He seems to be keeping things quite well-grounded so far, and to me at least, that suggests he's telling his own story, rather than just writing a story to hit tropes found in other games. As with literally everything else though, we'll have to wait and see...
 
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Vivien will fully reveal how she feels about Christian in the next update. But we don't know one thing, that is, how Vivien and her husband survived the 22 years of marriage. What sexual parameters does the husband have and how much he satisfied Vivien. Because we know that Vivien is the dominant one in our relationship and the husband has already satisfied that. And maybe this is what our relationship needs for the husband to be more dominant.
And maybe that's what caught Vivien with Christian because she's more dominant than her husband. Vivien doesn't love Christian and she won't love him either, but as sexual satisfaction it can be perfect for her, so it can only be a physical relationship between them. And here will be the big fight between Vivien and her husband in the end, whether it is worth throwing away 22 years. Vivien will think about this in the current update and the husband in the next update. I don't know if the husband will change at the end, it would be great if he changed and became more dominant.
 
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Maybe Hutch is a decent father and the son actually loves and respects him, so finding out his mother betrayed his father like this she knows he will take Hutch's side.
If son is like father and Sawyer wil find out or witness his mother is cheating on his father with the twins then we will see father and son talking code together about Vivian in a coffee shop.
Sawyer tries to tell his father about his mother and her cheating with the twins while Hutch thinks his son knows about his boss Christian & Vivian.
 
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If we're honest, I think the only reason anyone is suggesting that Vivian will now start spreading her legs for everyone, is because this is a porn game
For me the reason is the bathroom scene. It shows a clear lack of resistance/impulse control. Second reason: inability to admit her failure/mistake until it is too late.
 
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