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Let's not worry about in the end... the issue, as I mentioned, is the beginning.

How many of us married men enforce our will onto our wives? I don't. My wife is my equal, a free person who can use her free will as she pleases. He told her not to come, but she chose to go regardless, and against Hutch's judgment. She chose. She!
She had the choice and could of stopped the whole thing from happening. She didn't. She set the ball rolling. She!
So to reiterate again, ultimately the blame mostly falls on her.
well thats where we differ . you see the fact we all miss is hutch was trying as hard as he could to get his (slut wife) not to go because hutchy McCucky knew what type of man the boss was, hutchy knew what the boss was going to do. it wasnt the boss he didnt trust it was his wife which leads me to believe she has been a hoe thru the entire marriage and hutchy only had supsicions but in the back of his mind he knew his wife was a hoe. then when witnessing it for real all his supsicions were confirmed and he realized at that moment he married a hoe ... fo sho
 

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He probably knows what effect Chris has on women.
And he knows that Chris won’t pass up any attractive girl, that's why he kept her at a distance.
 
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well thats where we differ . you see the fact we all miss is hutch was trying as hard as he could to get his (slut wife) not to go because hutchy McCucky knew what type of man the boss was, hutchy knew what the boss was going to do. it wasnt the boss he didnt trust it was his wife which leads me to believe she has been a hoe thru the entire marriage and hutchy only had supsicions but in the back of his mind he knew his wife was a hoe. then when witnessing it for real all his supsicions were confirmed and he realized at that moment he married a hoe ... fo sho
Nice take :). Even if that is all 100% true, it still does not negate anything I wrote, it still was her choice, so yeah blame is on her.
 

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I'm surprised on how many people in this forum are against Hutch. everyone's calling him a CUCK/WEAK/Pussy whatever but maybe its just me I see someone that is a conflict-avoidant Person, even some of the definitions describe him to a tee,

-some people avoid conflict at all costs — even when the conflict is necessary. These people can be described as conflict avoidant. To avoid rocking the boat, conflict-avoidant people might bottle up their feelings and sidestep discussing important issues with others. or pretend the problems don't even exist.

Sounds like him to me.
Yeah, different people react to different things... differently! There are some people as you say who will avoid the conflict even when everyone watching is screaming that they should be jumping into action.

Sometimes though, those same people, having bottled it up for long enough, explode. That could be interesting here, meeting some of the theories about where he disappeared to on the Sunday and about him potentially attacking Christian in the end!

(Also, please consider editing your last post if posting something else straight after, to avoid making multiple posts in a row - if replying to multiple people in a row, use the multi-quote function.)
the question that bakes my noodle is who is to blame? is hutch to blame for not stopping this in moment they first banged? is vivian to blame for just being a slut? is christian to blame for manipulating the dumbest married couple alive? or are they all to blame and who will suffer the most in the end? hmmmmmmm
Yes. There may be different degrees of it, but they are all to blame - or at least Hutch and Vivian are, Christian is not really to blame, per se, because he has completely different motivations etc. He's as much the cause as the other two (to those different degrees), but if he's to blame it would suggest something wrong, and to him it's what he's intending, so it's not wrong in that sense.
 
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He definately married out of his league. That’s what happens when you marry a trophy wife, have to always worry about others hitting on her at work or when she goes out with her girlfriends
That is also a good reminder that things were different when he was able to "score" her back in the day. Or weren't they? Maybe Vivian was already then attracted to the boss type, so what made her marry Hutch? Was the boss type not available for marriage? Did Hutch offer a deal for material provision and now when that is in danger, she feels forced and allowed to break that deal - in that case nothing has changed in her fundamentally, only the circumstances. It was always conditional love and now this has become apparent.
Alternatively - maybe she thought Hutch could develop into the boss type 20 years ago. But luck, performance, career decisions etc. made Hutch Hutch and the boss the boss, and she feels disappointed. She saw a potential which was not fulfilled or wasn''t there in the first place? Maybe Hutch played always by the rules and the boss didn't - at work and with women? In a world full of rules the rulebreaker wins inevitably.
 
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Hi The video below is my way of paying tribute to a great story and thanking the author ,
thanks SC Stories for your fantastic story and beautiful images.
I hope you all like it and enjoy it as much as I enjoyed making it.
Good vision.

Speaking of the dress, why does everyone keep thinking that it must have been Christian who sent that dress to the Harris' house? I wouldn't take that for granted. What if it was actually Hutch?
I mean, up until that morning Christian barely knew that Hutch had a wife, why then would he so readily know the home address of one of his employees/subordinates with whom he has such a poor relationship? It doesn't even seem to me that Vivian was the one who gave him the home address. So why would he be so interested in sending her a dress?
Sure, Christian could trace the Harris home address through Hutch's personal data. But why take such an interest? Just to impress Vivian? I don't think he needed a trick like that to woo her, or even that it could be an incentive to get her to come to the dinner.
Then, how could Christian be aware of Vivian's work schedule? He, barely knows that she's substitute teacher, how could he be so sure that she would be the one to arrive home before her husband? I mean, what would have happened if that dress, instead of Vivian, had been found by Hutch? If the dress had been part of "Christian's plan for Vivian", this would have collapsed miserably.
Finally, on a somewhat nitpicky note, how could Christian have known Vivian's size so well?
He must have seen her for little more than 15 minutes. He's a business executive not a clerk in a ladies' dress store.
Ok, he's a womanizer, however, it seems to me that he's being implicitly credited with skills beyond his actual talents.
To me, these all seem like things that are usually routine for a husband who has known his wife for a long time (work schedule, size and personal tastes) and that only a woman with a rather clouded mind (by the situation and the boss's alpha-male charm) could mistake for attention from a stranger.
Even when the Harris arrives at Christian's house for dinner, the only reference he makes to the dress is a laconic "That dress looks fabulous on you": nothing that makes me think he was the one who sent it to the Harris home.
In my opinion, if you replay the whole game with the idea that that dress was sent to his house by Hutch himself (to initiate "his plan"), everything takes on a different meaning. Even the mysterious backyard scene takes on another meaning.
Perhaps Vivian (thinking he gave it to her) refers to the dress with Christian, finds out he knows nothing about it, and interprets that dress as a "coded message" from her husband: "Do whatever it takes to convince my boss to turn a blind eye to my "mistakes""... and so if "to get rid of the pain, you have to get rid of the tooth", let's quickly get rid of the panties too, and what better time than a quickie in the backyard to finally shut things down without Hutch noticing.
But then things take an unexpected turn, and neither of them is able to tell the other how things are anymore for fear of being blamed for their own mistakes and/or using the other for their own gain, and of course (in this total inability to communicate) things degenerate more and more (and they will do so again and again until they start talking clearly to each other).
 

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Speaking of the dress, why does everyone keep thinking that it must have been Christian who sent that dress to the Harris' house? I wouldn't take that for granted. What if it was actually Hutch?
I mean, up until that morning Christian barely knew that Hutch had a wife, why then would he so readily know the home address of one of his employees/subordinates with whom he has such a poor relationship? It doesn't even seem to me that Vivian was the one who gave him the home address. So why would he be so interested in sending her a dress?
Sure, Christian could trace the Harris home address through Hutch's personal data. But why take such an interest? Just to impress Vivian? I don't think he needed a trick like that to woo her, or even that it could be an incentive to get her to come to the dinner.
Then, how could Christian be aware of Vivian's work schedule? He, barely knows that she's substitute teacher, how could he be so sure that she would be the one to arrive home before her husband? I mean, what would have happened if that dress, instead of Vivian, had been found by Hutch? If the dress had been part of "Christian's plan for Vivian", this would have collapsed miserably.
Finally, on a somewhat nitpicky note, how could Christian have known Vivian's size so well?
He must have seen her for little more than 15 minutes. He's a business executive not a clerk in a ladies' dress store.
Ok, he's a womanizer, however, it seems to me that he's being implicitly credited with skills beyond his actual talents.
To me, these all seem like things that are usually routine for a husband who has known his wife for a long time (work schedule, size and personal tastes) and that only a woman with a rather clouded mind (by the situation and the boss's alpha-male charm) could mistake for attention from a stranger.
Even when the Harris arrives at Christian's house for dinner, the only reference he makes to the dress is a laconic "That dress looks fabulous on you": nothing that makes me think he was the one who sent it to the Harris home.
In my opinion, if you replay the whole game with the idea that that dress was sent to his house by Hutch himself (to initiate "his plan"), everything takes on a different meaning. Even the mysterious backyard scene takes on another meaning.
Perhaps Vivian (thinking he gave it to her) refers to the dress with Christian, finds out he knows nothing about it, and interprets that dress as a "coded message" from her husband: "Do whatever it takes to convince my boss to turn a blind eye to my "mistakes""... and so if "to get rid of the pain, you have to get rid of the tooth", let's quickly get rid of the panties too, and what better time than a quickie in the backyard to finally shut things down without Hutch noticing.
But then things take an unexpected turn, and neither of them is able to tell the other how things are anymore for fear of being blamed for their own mistakes and/or using the other for their own gain, and of course (in this total inability to communicate) things degenerate more and more (and they will do so again and again until they start talking clearly to each other).
My opinion? You're clutching at straws there and still coming up empty.

There are some conveniences, sure, like getting the sizing right (although if you know what you're about, you can get close enough with an educated guess), but nothing that even remotely suggests it wasn't Christian, and/or that it was Hutch sending the dress.

Hutch tries to tell Vivian not to go, he is surprised when he sees her in the dress, he tries to get her to change into something else, he tries to pull down the dress, thinking it too short... if you think that is all an act and it's his actual plan for her to go, and go in that dress, because he was the one who bought it, then I think you're giving Hutch way too much credit in that particular area.

And there is literally nothing unusual about an employer having access to his employees' personal data, including their address. It's unethical for him to access such information for personal use, but I don't think that would surprise anyone about Christian.
 

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Speaking of the dress, why does everyone keep thinking that it must have been Christian who sent that dress to the Harris' house? I wouldn't take that for granted. What if it was actually Hutch?
I mean, up until that morning Christian barely knew that Hutch had a wife, why then would he so readily know the home address of one of his employees/subordinates with whom he has such a poor relationship? It doesn't even seem to me that Vivian was the one who gave him the home address. So why would he be so interested in sending her a dress?
Sure, Christian could trace the Harris home address through Hutch's personal data. But why take such an interest? Just to impress Vivian? I don't think he needed a trick like that to woo her, or even that it could be an incentive to get her to come to the dinner.
Then, how could Christian be aware of Vivian's work schedule? He, barely knows that she's substitute teacher, how could he be so sure that she would be the one to arrive home before her husband? I mean, what would have happened if that dress, instead of Vivian, had been found by Hutch? If the dress had been part of "Christian's plan for Vivian", this would have collapsed miserably.
Finally, on a somewhat nitpicky note, how could Christian have known Vivian's size so well?
He must have seen her for little more than 15 minutes. He's a business executive not a clerk in a ladies' dress store.
Ok, he's a womanizer, however, it seems to me that he's being implicitly credited with skills beyond his actual talents.
To me, these all seem like things that are usually routine for a husband who has known his wife for a long time (work schedule, size and personal tastes) and that only a woman with a rather clouded mind (by the situation and the boss's alpha-male charm) could mistake for attention from a stranger.
Even when the Harris arrives at Christian's house for dinner, the only reference he makes to the dress is a laconic "That dress looks fabulous on you": nothing that makes me think he was the one who sent it to the Harris home.
In my opinion, if you replay the whole game with the idea that that dress was sent to his house by Hutch himself (to initiate "his plan"), everything takes on a different meaning. Even the mysterious backyard scene takes on another meaning.
Perhaps Vivian (thinking he gave it to her) refers to the dress with Christian, finds out he knows nothing about it, and interprets that dress as a "coded message" from her husband: "Do whatever it takes to convince my boss to turn a blind eye to my "mistakes""... and so if "to get rid of the pain, you have to get rid of the tooth", let's quickly get rid of the panties too, and what better time than a quickie in the backyard to finally shut things down without Hutch noticing.
But then things take an unexpected turn, and neither of them is able to tell the other how things are anymore for fear of being blamed for their own mistakes and/or using the other for their own gain, and of course (in this total inability to communicate) things degenerate more and more (and they will do so again and again until they start talking clearly to each other).

Nice. This new point of view that I'm reading here for the first time sounds coherent and good, except for a few minor details. That means the dress (package) is the key to the backyard scene. The change of perspective that Hutch has injected everything and is not being honest with his wife could be the red herring in the plot. This would put hutch in a different light, as we trust him more than vivian.
I like that theory. I'm curious what objections the others have?
 
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THe dress is part of Christians plan to trap Vivian. He tell hutch not to bring his wife. He... Christian sends the dress... She thinks it is a test for hutch... plus she doesn't want hutch to screw up the dinner conversation about work. Since she did not listen to Hucth ... kissed Christian in the office and THEN showed up in the sexy dress... Christian knew he had her.... Plan done perfect.
 

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Speaking of the dress, why does everyone keep thinking that it must have been Christian who sent that dress to the Harris' house? I wouldn't take that for granted. What if it was actually Hutch?
I mean, up until that morning Christian barely knew that Hutch had a wife, why then would he so readily know the home address of one of his employees/subordinates with whom he has such a poor relationship? It doesn't even seem to me that Vivian was the one who gave him the home address. So why would he be so interested in sending her a dress?
Sure, Christian could trace the Harris home address through Hutch's personal data. But why take such an interest? Just to impress Vivian? I don't think he needed a trick like that to woo her, or even that it could be an incentive to get her to come to the dinner.
Then, how could Christian be aware of Vivian's work schedule? He, barely knows that she's substitute teacher, how could he be so sure that she would be the one to arrive home before her husband? I mean, what would have happened if that dress, instead of Vivian, had been found by Hutch? If the dress had been part of "Christian's plan for Vivian", this would have collapsed miserably.
Finally, on a somewhat nitpicky note, how could Christian have known Vivian's size so well?
He must have seen her for little more than 15 minutes. He's a business executive not a clerk in a ladies' dress store.
Ok, he's a womanizer, however, it seems to me that he's being implicitly credited with skills beyond his actual talents.
To me, these all seem like things that are usually routine for a husband who has known his wife for a long time (work schedule, size and personal tastes) and that only a woman with a rather clouded mind (by the situation and the boss's alpha-male charm) could mistake for attention from a stranger.
Even when the Harris arrives at Christian's house for dinner, the only reference he makes to the dress is a laconic "That dress looks fabulous on you": nothing that makes me think he was the one who sent it to the Harris home.
In my opinion, if you replay the whole game with the idea that that dress was sent to his house by Hutch himself (to initiate "his plan"), everything takes on a different meaning. Even the mysterious backyard scene takes on another meaning.
Perhaps Vivian (thinking he gave it to her) refers to the dress with Christian, finds out he knows nothing about it, and interprets that dress as a "coded message" from her husband: "Do whatever it takes to convince my boss to turn a blind eye to my "mistakes""... and so if "to get rid of the pain, you have to get rid of the tooth", let's quickly get rid of the panties too, and what better time than a quickie in the backyard to finally shut things down without Hutch noticing.
But then things take an unexpected turn, and neither of them is able to tell the other how things are anymore for fear of being blamed for their own mistakes and/or using the other for their own gain, and of course (in this total inability to communicate) things degenerate more and more (and they will do so again and again until they start talking clearly to each other).
Hutch asked where she got the dress from
 

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THe dress is part of Christians plan to trap Vivian. He tell hutch not to bring his wife. He... Christian sends the dress... She thinks it is a test for hutch... plus she doesn't want hutch to screw up the dinner conversation about work. Since she did not listen to Hucth ... kissed Christian in the office and THEN showed up in the sexy dress... Christian knew he had her.... Plan done perfect.
Minor correction - she thinks Christian is testing her, she only realises that he's testing Hutch when they get to his house and start talking.
 
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I'll have to go play that... I thought later she realized he was testing her...
Initially, when talking with Christian at the office:
Christian "But if you aren't there... the dinner is over."
Vivian "~ To herself ~ He's playing some kind of game... testing me..."

At Christian's:
Christian "But after meeting you... I'm glad you wear the pants in the family and came anyway."
Vivian "~ To herself ~ Oh shit!"
Vivian "~ To herself ~ I wasn't the one he was testing..."
 

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One of those seemingly simple questions:

Who is the boss's (and/or the author's) actual target?
(meaning: according to his intention, not to the objective impact, and meaning the main intention, notwithstanding others)

VIVIAN? In other games this would be the standard answer. Here I personally wouldn't say so. If he was only after banging a hot chick, he should have a range of other possibilities and perhaps even other types of girls. But there are those who say: he can't let anything pass and she presents herself. In this scenario the boss wouldn't be a sadist but rather a reckless womanizer disregarding the consequences. He just can't help himself if he sees a chance. And we have heard that he is one, so that would be a point in favor of this motive.

HUTCH? Here the aim is not sex but to hit and hurt Hutch through his wife. Many in this thread tend to think so. This is the feeling one gets at his house (if he just wanted Vivian he could have met her alone). This would show a completely different character of the boss: First, here his motivation originates from inter-male competition and domination games, not from appreciating sex and women and being a sexual predator. He sees women as possessions who can be taken away if not protected, that's the challenge and power play. The starting point here psychologically could really be anger and contempt directed against Hutch and his failure. Stepping on those who are down already. Looking how far he can go. Second, here he appears as a sadist, wanting to humiliate, but not necessarily to torture.

THE COUPLE AS A WHOLE? Here his idea would be to create a complex scenario in which to play the couple against each other to observe how and if they cope and if they start hating each other. A sadistic stress test which they only can fail. Hints in this direction: The boss starts to act as a sort of "malevolent counselor", giving advice to Hutch and Vivian how to deal with the mess he initiated in the first place. Here we really reach the territory of sadistic perversion. Maybe he didn't plan this at the beginning but starts to enjoy this more and more. It's not Vivian or Hutch but the interplay which interests him. Here he is not a simple playboy but trying to play god.

THE INSTITUTION OF MARRIAGE ITSELF? (a bit over the top interpretation?) Maybe one could see the game as a critique of marriage, a demonstration that after 20 years of it a couple is an easy target for a not so subtle predator. Marriage in this case has made Hutch weak and Vivian nervous and panicking and unsatisfied (this would be the hypotheses to be proven). The Boss seems to have deliberately avoided marriage himself and kids, and maybe he wants to make a point here.

Again kudos to the Dev: this is a game which is able to change its overall character depending on these answers, which all seem possible at this point.
 
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THE COUPLE AS A WHOLE? Here his idea would be to create a complex scenario in which to play the couple against each other to observe how and if the cope and if the start hating each other. A sadistic stress test which they only can fail. Hints in this direction: The boss starts to act as a sort of "malevolent counselor", giving advice to Hutch and Vivian how to deal with the mess he initiated in the first place. Here we really reach the territory of sadistic perversion. Maybe he didn't plan this at the beginning but starts to enjoy this more and more. It's not Vivian or Hutch but the interplay which interests him. Here he is not a simple playboy but trying to play god.
this is the right option i think as christian's dialogues repeatedly point to the couple in the kitchen. i wouldn't say he is a "malevolent counselor" or playing god but more of a narcissistic individual who's kink is wreaking couples/ humiliating them. which is brought up in christian's dialogues throughout the update( i'm not opening the pandora's box again so if you want just read the dialogues of christian)
 
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For Chris it's simple - if she wears a dress it means she's available
really - you're looking for "things" here that aren't there. SC Stories himself said that the story is actually quite simple. The way of narration is fantastic (way to tell this story)
 
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