VN Ren'Py My Husband's Boss [Ch.2] [SC Stories]

[noahsombrero]

What the hell are you talking about?

Her internal conflicts. At one point she says, I know I don't deserve it, but I need to cuddle with you tonight, as she snuggles up against him. She cannot bear to think of him having sex with another woman. She hates herself.

It seems impossible for some people to imagine. So sure of themselves in all ways they must be. It must be that they all have never cheated on a spouse. Never wanted to continue doing that, while staying married. It might surprise you to know that this is not an uncommon feeling in both men and women. Of course, they do eventually get caught, and usually find themselves no longer married. For which the side piece is no compensation. We are complex creatures, more complex than we know. Good thing because, if we did know, we would not understand as Wife clearly does not.

 

[Dealbreaker]

Her internal conflicts.

By needing and hoping for reassurance she is externalising her "inner conflicts" (euphemism) to the very victim of her betrayal, Hutch. If you have inner conflicts you (as an adult) are supposed to solve them within yourself or with the help of a third party. Not outsourcing your guilt and responsibility onto your partner by being disappointed that he doesn't reward you for your betrayal. If I cheat I don't expect my partner who I cheat on to give me reassurance of any kind and to share the emotional burden. I may hope for forgiveness after I have solved my "conflict". This is emotional blackmailing and manipulation of the highest order.

 

[dylan93]

I'm beginning to think that a lot of these so-called pro Vivian supporters are either bots or far-left progressively regressive trolls. There is no why anyone can play this game and come to the conclusion that Vivian is a victim, she is a complete modern day hoe of the highest order, she perfectly represents the sad decline of millennial and GenZ women.

She intitated everything, the sex in the garden in Pt1, the sex in Christian car coming home from the dinner meeting, the threesome and the so-called rape, were she could have walked away but stayed in the room and done what was required of her, only to admit to Christian she loved being r@ped, that it made her feel powerful and that she could overcome anything. Vivian is a psychologically disturbed feminist nutter

 

[Dealbreaker]

I agree with much of what you say here, but I think I still have a dimmer view of Vivian than you. I believe she is tormented by what she is doing, but I still think she is a terrible wife, and she seems to be getting more comfortable with what she is doing. I think Christian's reassurance about her being able to compete with younger women was a manipulation on his part, even though he thinks she is attractive. I think the situation with Sunshine and Rain was the author's way of giving us more insight into what is going on with Vivian internally, which based on what you wrote here, I think you agree. I suspect any praise Christian gives her is a manipulation, even when there may be some merit in it.

I generally really like your takes, but what they demonstrate at the moment IMO is, that it becomes more difficult for you to uphold that she is a "terrible wife" the more you see her as a victim. Once you are on that territory, explanation adn understanding becomes excusing and releasing out of responsibility. I, too, want to understand and explain Vivian as a human being but I stop short of seeing her as a victim of other persons (more of her own peceptions and neuroses).

 

[Dealbreaker]

she perfectly represents the sad decline of millennial and GenZ women.

I still hold on to my take on that from a couple of months ago.

 

[WhiteSwan1916]

I am enjoying the discussions here, some very interesting takes. I agree with prior responses to that Christian is manipulating Vivian when praising her intelligence as a means to make her feel better about herself to facilitate his goals (he probably does not mean it, considering he sends her to Mr. Reese assuming she will just allow herself to be used). Christian is pretty toxic in that regard, and Vivian seems to fall for some dark triad traits, maybe some regret about settling too early.

 

[DarkArchon]

I generally really like your takes, but what they demonstrate at the moment IMO is, that it becomes more difficult for you to uphold that she is a "terrible wife" the more you see her as a victim. Once you are on that territory, explanation adn understanding becomes excusing and releasing out of responsibility. I, too, want to understand and explain Vivian as a human being but I stop short of seeing her as a victim of other persons (more of her own peceptions and neuroses).

I believe I understand your point, but I reiterate that a person can be both a victim and victimizer at the same time. I have spoken a lot about how Christian manipulates people, particularly, Vivian, but also Hutch. I think it is necessary for me to explain how when Vivian is manipulated by Christian, she is more culpable than other people who get manipulated into doing things.

Much of Christian's manipulations rely on the character defects of Vivian. Examples of these character defects are her overconfidence, her selfishness, and her insecurities (her fear of becoming less attractive being a major insecurity). If Vivian did not have these character defects, Christian would not be able to use them against her. Vivian being manipulated through these are very different from manipulating someone because the person is retarded, or is senile, or is mentally ill. Those aren't character defects. Vivian's character flaws are what got her into this situation to begin with. She went to Christian's office intending to MANIPULATE HIM, but he was much better at playing that game than she was. Her dominating Hutch relies on manipulations as well. She used his fear of displeasing her (one of his insecurities) to get him to take her to Christian's place against his wishes, and she lied to Hutch the whole time. To me manipulating a person using their character flaws to get them to do bad things, is similar to tempting the person to do things they know are wrong. In other words, Vivian falls for a lot of Christian's garbage but is still culpable for what she does because it is due to her lack of character, not because of an amoral deficit (like retardation, mental illness, senility).

Christian's use of Vivian's guilt is a little bit different. That is not character flaw, but I see him as using that primarily to degrade and humiliate her.

 

[WhiteSwan1916]

My Addison Theory:

• Addison is aware that Vivian is Hutch’s wife.
• Addison either assumes or is aware that Vivan is cheating on Hutch with Christian.
• Christian is aware of Addison’s affection for Hutch.

In this AVN, Addison is my favorite character so far. I not only like her visually as best-looking female, but especially because she brings light, warmth and kindness to Hutch in his darkest moments during Chapter 1.



What I find fascinating is how hostile Addison is towards Vivian; from the moment they meet. Vivian stumbles over which name she wants to present, but that is not a likely cause. In fact, the hostilities begin even before Vivian speaks, suggesting a pre-existing cause! Addison could legitimately assume she is a sexual conquest of Christian, but even then, not exactly a reason for hostility crossing the line into being unprofessional. Addison must not only be certain that Vivian is not a legitimate business representative or customer but also have some idea of who Vivian is and have motive to attack her so strongly. (small note in case Dev sees this: minor inconsistency in Addison’s lipstick switching from dark red to pink at the end of the conversation with Vivian).

Next, in Christian’s office, Vivian complains about Addison’s hostile reception (conversation re-capped in the first image). Christan states that not many get close to Addison and briefly looks at Hutch. The scene is clearly deliberate, implying that Christian must be aware that Addison likes Hutch which is a notable achievement. While this is not a ‘game recognizes game’ moment, Christian clearly thinks poorly of Hutch and treats him with malicious intent, but he cannot control whom Addison likes and, unlike Christian, who has snipped himself and cannot (without medical intervention) reproduce, Hutch has already achieved fatherhood and raised a college aged son.

As for Addison, as an administrator in Christian’s company, she must have access to employee files, IRS W4 tax withholding forms and supporting documents, and yes, a marriage certificate must also be on file. If she really has a crush on Hutch, it would be trivial for her to find out, and it would explain why she has pre-existing cause to be hostile to Vivian.

Vivian picks up immediately upon this vibe. She identifies Addison as a legitimate threat, and with good reason. At this point, Hutch’s loyalty is the only real defense Vivan has against Addison, a woman who far outclasses her not only in looks, youth and beauty, but perhaps even more damagingly in attraction to Hutch. That is a risky position for Vivian to be in, and she knows it. in chapter 2 she voices her fear to Hutch AND even has a nightmare in which Hutch marries Addison and Addison punches her in the face (2nd image).

 

[WhiteSwan1916]

What the hell are you talking about?

This happens multiple times during Chapter 1 and 2. For example, Vivan telling Hutch she loves him and NOT receiving an answer or a evasive statement that he does not reciprocate her feelings anymore, Hutch refusing Vivian touching his hand and withdrawing, etc. Vivian is constantly worried about Hutch withdrawing despite her indulging into her affair.

 

[Dealbreaker]

This happens multiple times during Chapter 1 and 2. For example, Vivan telling Hutch she loves him and NOT receiving an answer or a evasive statement that he does not reciprocate her feelings anymore, Hutch refusing Vivian touching his hand and withdrawing, etc. Vivian is constantly worried about Hutch withdrawing despite her indulging into her affair.

She can be glad he's still there in the first place.
Also what you and others forget is that she at the same time still sends all kinds of opposite signals to Hutch: for example how she treats him in the car drviing back from the dinner in ch 1. This would have been a decisive moment if she really would have been "worried". She is aggressive, lies, no explanations, no apologies. So how could she even expect an "answer"?

 

[neronwtf]

At best, she's a "victim" of her own mistakes. You're acknowledging that she went to manipulate somebody else (Christian). It was the beginning of a game of two manipulative people, that (almost?) always get what they want. When Hutch told her not to join him to the dinner night at his boss house, she insists because she's already playing Christian's game.

She would be a victim if she's forced to go there, being raped by her boss because she has being blackmailed to keep husband's work. It can be the case in the rape scene in the last update, but she doesn't feel as bad afterwards when she gets fucked by Christian reenacting the rape (even if personally I think the scene pushes the suspension of disbelief to the limit)

Vivian did not have these character defects, Christian would not be able to use them against her.

Kinda disagree. You can be fully aware of your defects or flaws and not fall for a textbook manipulator such as the boss is depicted. It was her arrogance that made her accept the challenge. And for now, she's losing big time. Again, not a victim, but a player being heavily defeated by her rival.

 

[Lukasz1]

This is my attempt at a poll:

Vivian has an important business meeting with Christian and can't decide what to wear. 'Like' this post (and this post only) if you think she should wear this outfit:

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'Like' the post below if you think she should wear the other outfit. Most likes wins.
(look at the next post below for the second outfit)

The ring on Vivian's finger is missing in this photo, please don't forget about it in the game.

 

[noahsombrero]

By needing and hoping for reassurance she is externalising her "inner conflicts" (euphemism) to the very victim of her betrayal, Hutch. If you have inner conflicts you (as an adult) are supposed to solve them within yourself or with the help of a third party.

With the help of a third party. People can come to that. Perhaps Wife will go to a shrink if she descends to the level of being a street prostitute as SC's pic suggests. Most of the time, people need to hit bottom, whatever that is for them before they can seek change.

Not outsourcing your guilt and responsibility onto your partner by being disappointed that he doesn't reward you for your betrayal. If I cheat I don't expect my partner who I cheat on to give me reassurance of any kind and to share the emotional burden.

Of course not. That is not what Wife expects either. She says she does not deserve it. But she needs to feel his closeness, her need is not at all what you suggest.

I may hope for forgiveness after I have solved my "conflict".

You sound like Spock on StarTrec being contemptuous of humans for not be truly rational. He is right though, we are not.

This is emotional blackmailing and manipulation of the highest order.

This is you announcing your superiority. Temptations never touch you right? That must feel nice.

In the meantime, the same thing is true for all of us. We use rationality to explain what we feel and what we do to ourselves and others. We do not use rationality to tell us what to do and feel, because we do know in the end that a reasonable sounding explanation can me made for anything whatever. We get stuck, like Wife, when rationality no longer is sufficient to make what we do make sense to ourselves.

I say, that one way or the other, Wife must resolve her inner conflicts because her sanity depends on that. You say damn her already because she is so irrational and self serving. Lately she is not feeling very well served.

I say, let SC tell his story. None of us knows where this is going. I also say that if wife is not deserving of hope for her well being, none of us are.

 

[88stanford88]

I played Chapter 2 after some initial hesitation, not because of any concerns over quality, I knew it was going to be good, but because the first time was a bit too hardcore for my taste. Gripping, extremely well produced, but just really harsh NTR content, probably the heaviest stuff in Western style AVN of this genre I have ever read.

In terms of quality the 2nd chapter did not disappoint. This is absolutely first-rate stuff (I will update my rating to 5/5). Both visually and more importantly the writing and storytelling. The emotional impact of Vivian hoping for and not getting the reassurance she needs from Hutch is keenly felt. Her fear of what she is doing to her marriage is palpable, and at the same time, her giving in is plausible. This is a story that I could not fast click, I had to read it all.

The 2nd chapter is not quite as brutal as the first one. It is still gripping and exciting, but there are a few mitigating factors: (1) this time the story closely follows Vivian's perspective which humanizes her a lot. (2) The conversation at the bar and night with Rebecca (Sunshine) and Brian (Rain) brought forward a lot of reflection that humanized Vivian. (3) The guilt and shame of letting herself be tricked (or allowing to be tricked) and the snide comments Vivian has to endure, from the hotel concierge, for example, made me sympathize with her. (4) The nightmare after the 'meeting' with Christian the first night, with my #1 favorite character in this AVN, Addison, in a role that I would have considered my dream ending of this story, at least before the heart-to-heart between Rebecca and Vivian which game me more hope for a happy ending through reconciliation.

I want to give the creator top marks for the character design. Especially Vivan has some bold choices. The short hair (I kind of agreed with the hotel concierge description to Mr. Reese, even though he was kind of a dick about it), and age-appropriate small wrinkles. She is not perfect, and really feels like a 45-year-old woman, very realistic. She is still sexy and beautiful in her own way, but she is also clearly not a hot young 9 or 10 in her prime like Addison, which Vivian acknowledges in her conversation to Hutch and is insecure about enough to become territorial! Vivian is aware of her age and to Christian feels compelled to counter that insecurity by praising her intellect. All of this this gives a great degree of realism and immersion.

The conversation with Rebecca was a particular strong point in writing. The way how both women discuss dynamics of dating from a woman's point of view, it felt real and reminded me of 'dual mating hypothesis' from the field of Evolutionary Psychology (even though the conversation is much more down to earth and real, not academic).

I can say this remains a top AVN on this site with the highest production values. The fact the author has made it free for all to enjoy is an added plus. It is a must read for fans of the genre.

This is the right way to comment and criticize, especially since, if I understand correctly, you say you are somewhat against hardcore content with NTR themes in AVN stories, or at least content that is not to your taste.

In terms of quality the 2nd chapter did not disappoint. This is absolutely first-rate stuff (I will update my rating to 5/5). Both visually and more importantly the writing and storytelling. The emotional impact of Vivian hoping for and not getting the reassurance she needs from Hutch is keenly felt. Her fear of what she is doing to her marriage is palpable, and at the same time, her giving in is plausible. This is a story that I could not fast click, I had to read it all.

I hope in part that I have also contributed to your understanding that in order to evaluate an NTR story, we must have a good understanding of the context in which the story takes shape and the motivations behind the decisions, without which, agreeing to have sex with another man would just be a selfish act of a slutty wife.
That's why I try to post only the scenes where there is no sex...because as I said I'm sure everyone only goes looking for those to get an erection and jerk off...
and then start commenting on their personal preconceived notions of what is a cheating wife

There are GOOD AND BAD NTR AVN
The key distinction is made between good NTR stories, which involve serious reasons for the wife's infidelity, and bad ones, which focus solely on gratuitous sex with no solid justification.
But there is also some exception I forgot... there are NTR stories that are not too bad and they are the ones written in a funny comedy style.

The 2nd chapter is not quite as brutal as the first one. It is still gripping and exciting, but there are a few mitigating factors: (1) this time the story closely follows Vivian's perspective which humanizes her a lot. (2) The conversation at the bar and night with Rebecca (Sunshine) and Brian (Rain) brought forward a lot of reflection that humanized Vivian. (3) The guilt and shame of letting herself be tricked (or allowing to be tricked) and the snide comments Vivian has to endure, from the hotel concierge, for example, made me sympathize with her. (4) The nightmare after the 'meeting' with Christian the first night, with my #1 favorite character in this AVN, Addison, in a role that I would have considered my dream ending of this story, at least before the heart-to-heart between Rebecca and Vivian which game me more hope for a happy ending through reconciliation.

I want to give the creator top marks for the character design. Especially Vivan has some bold choices. The short hair (I kind of agreed with the hotel concierge description to Mr. Reese, even though he was kind of a dick about it), and age-appropriate small wrinkles. She is not perfect, and really feels like a 45-year-old woman, very realistic. She is still sexy and beautiful in her own way, but she is also clearly not a hot young 9 or 10 in her prime like Addison, which Vivian acknowledges in her conversation to Hutch and is insecure about enough to become territorial! Vivian is aware of her age and to Christian feels compelled to counter that insecurity by praising her intellect. All of this this gives a great degree of realism and immersion.

I flatly agree with your description of CH2
But not with the fact that CH1 has a harsh ending ... since there the husband is the one who had a very painful shock in which Vivian still hoped she could hide from him ...
She wanted to spare him pain ... and it is certain that knowing that his wife is sleeping with someone else is a heavy trauma.... Vivian believes she can save her husband's job and it seems that what she does is the only possible choice in fact in the office the next day everything is astonished that Hutch has not been fired

The conversation with Rebecca was a particular strong point in writing. The way how both women discuss dynamics of dating from a woman's point of view, it felt real and reminded me of 'dual mating hypothesis' from the field of Evolutionary Psychology (even though the conversation is much more down to earth and real, not academic).

I agree

I can say this remains a top AVN on this site with the highest production values. The fact the author has made it free for all to enjoy is an added plus. It is a must read for fans of the genre.

Quite right but for the record; for me the genre of the screenplay is irrelevant. (there are only good and bad scripts in all genres)
i am a fan of adult stories realistically written by writers who make motivated connections between one sex scene and another and at the same time add some unexpected twists.

In the case of Vivian, who is 45 years old, has been married for about 20 years and studied at a French college where she graduated and then became a teacher in the United States... I am sure the story will become more and more interesting and there will be a lot to discover about the three main characters in this story.

 

[noahsombrero]

The ring on Vivian's finger is missing in this photo, please don't forget about it in the game.

This could be an oversight on SC's part or a real indication that Wife and Husband have split. That pic of her anger at Boss as he holds her by the chin comes into view as she wears that dress. Is he dumping her now that he has completely destroyed their marriage?

 

[packard1928]

She is wearing it at the garden party, the purple dress ,and the cigarette guy previews.

 

[GibboBtw]

I wonder who's actually going to be the biggest loser of this AVN by the end?

As of right now, it's obviously Hutch. With the whole, his wife being a selfish lying cheating whore. And then him being made to look like an absolute cuck and a wimp on top of that. But I do wonder if it'll be Vivian by the end instead. I fucking HOPE it is. SO MUCH...

With Hutch finally getting rid of the stupid bitch. And then maybe even finding a little comfort in the arms of another, with Addison perhaps?...

Vivian also potentially losing her job as a teacher after she sleeps with a student. Which (IMO) is obviously going to happen with the Token BBC one. And then is HOPEFULLY, caught in some way afterwards. Because as far as I'm aware, teachers getting caught sleeping with their students rarely ends well. From a social ostracizing standpoint at the very least.

And then who knows, maybe even Christian will get bored of her by then, going by how he apparently does this with a lot of married women and will have found another muse at some point. It would be SOOO peak if one of these NTR games actually had the cheating party, the one who suffers the most by the end like they fucking deserve. Instead of just making it the Hutch type character as it usually is. The poor cuck who has nothing and nobody by the ending.

I pray this does not just go the way of becoming the Christian x Vivian love story...With her being the one who "tames" him...And then they fall deeply in love...

 

[88stanford88]

2) The conversation at the bar and night with Rebecca (Sunshine) and Brian (Rain) brought forward a lot of reflection that humanized Vivian

The scene with Rebecca serves to give us a better understanding of Vivian's character, and it made me think that Vivian has a past that is not so crystal clear.
Of course, I could be wrong, but I don't think Rebecca and her husband will appear in any other scenes. This is the post where I talk about it. (I quoted myself so if you want you can easily find it and watch it with the images... as always, I don't post the sex scenes, but I quote the scenes that contain the characters' facial expressions.)

I'm happy you replay to me
You're welcome, and I agree with you... but if you think about it, Rebecca (alias Sunshine) is important to help us understand who Vivian is as a woman when her husband is away for work.

I assume that part also reveals what Vivian was like before Hutch... that's why I'm waiting to learn more about her.

The scene makes a lot of sense and begins on the morning when Hutch is out of town for work and she wakes up shocked because she had a dream in which there were.. View attachment 5141567 .
AMAZING DIRECTOR!!!
The morning continues. She receives a phone call from Chris, then takes a shower, which tells us a little about the past of this magnificent human female.

When I talk about tattoos, many believe that they are done for fashion... They are not important...
THAT IS NOT TRUE!... EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PIXEL IS IMPORTANT IN THIS STORY!!
A tattoo tells an important story about your life; it is something you will carry with you forever... and tattoos fade over time, and if, as I believe, the tattoos Vivian has were done more than 20 years ago, she takes care of them... they are not blurred... they are well-maintained tattoos.
If they weren't important tattoos, she would have had them removed.

But let's continue with the day of this wonderful human female who is at home without her husband returning for the night... remember, he is out of town trying to close the deal with Mr. Reese.
Vivian lies down on the sofa with the TV on and falls asleep... but is awakened by the commercials... Damn, commercials on TV always wake me up too. View attachment 5141590
Fucking commercials View attachment 5141595
Vivian starts thinking and talking to herself
At this point, the beautiful Vivian gets up from the sofa and changes her clothes... in a sparkling gold see-through dress. View attachment 5141661
It's clear that Hutch's wife had some bizarre habits before she married Hutch, and the fact that she takes off her wedding ring is a symbol that tells us something about how Vivian spent her evenings before she married her beta husband. View attachment 5141672
I admire how this developer is making me imagine things about this beautiful girl using only images, facial expressions, and the sequence of images. This is what I imagined while watching and rewatching the wonderful scenes he created.

Maybe this is the bar she used to go to before getting her teaching degree?
I say this because a guy arrives who she thinks wants to approach her to chat and spend the evening with her, but 20 years have passed and he sneers at her because he thinks she's too old for him... stupid idiot, he missed a great opportunity. View attachment 5141699
She smiles invitingly at him as if to say: Here I am, you can sit here, let's have a drink, and then I'll let you fuck me because I'm not even wearing panties. View attachment 5141706 View attachment 5141708
He laughs in her face, humiliating her... but this guy humiliates himself and is the only real loser idiot in that bar.
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Sunshine is a brilliant idea by the author, who has found a way to tell us (I suppose) or at least give us an idea of what Vivian was like before her marriage. If the author had made Vivian fuck the first stranger guy she met, it would have been truly horrible...
instead, he found a way to avoid making a scene that could have become very vulgar by immediately making it clear that Vivian's job before she got married was to work as a prostitute in bars.

So the scene with Sunshine's arrival eliminates any awkwardness and is a pretext to get to know Vivian better and her way of life as an independent and freedom-loving woman. But I think it will be very difficult to see Sunshine again in the story...
I understand that this will be a blow to those who like to see lesbians fucking...
And if you look closely, Sunshine is not a lesbian at all... She has an open relationship with her husband... I'm sure Sunshine is fucking a bunch of men right now and her cuckold husband is participating in enlarging all her holes
This is not Sunshine movie...
This is Vivian, Hutch and Christian's movie...
The others are all side characters and many will only appear in a single scene.
Secondary characters must serve to help us understand more about the lives of the protagonists. Otherwise, side characters would be useless and the author would be forced to write tons of text to help us understand the personalities and pasts of the protagonists.

I think Viv is hiding something from herself too... and it is realistic... I know women... It often happens that women want to forget their past as high school and college students.

 

[noahsombrero]

I pray this does not just go the way of becoming the Christian x Vivian love story...With her being the one who "tames" him...And then they fall deeply in love...

Odds are that you are right about that much. But only SC knows.

 

[noahsombrero]

I think Viv is hiding something from herself too... and it is realistic... I know women... It often happens that women want to forget their past as high school and college students.

And men. We have all done foolish things when we were young, and learned better from that. And sometimes even when we were not so young. The important thing whenever is that we learn something. Not that the rest of the world forgives us because of that.