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For me the perfect amount of writing for a porn game can be found in a game like Witch Trainer. You get teleported to some weird wizard school then 5 minutes later you are in the process of sexually corrupting a schoolgirl with the bulk of the writing being focused on the corruption not on some mundane slice of life stuff.
So go for it, no judgment. But nothing like that in MHB.
 
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Even just here, you somehow manage to repaint entire families with a strange brush, suggesting that any female students who spend any time studying abroad do so because they are having too much sex
I never said that

Why are you so afraid of female students having sex in college
Look, all they have to do is open an account on chaturbate or onlyfans... and become webcam girls...they make money that way too...and they get caught by professors who call the parents that if they are from a family that expects their daughters to graduate and get a good job
Parents pay to keep them from being expelled and agree that they will go to do semesters in Switzerland or France to calm things down.

Did you remember a TV show in ends of 90s GOSSIP GIRL?
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So please
Make money for college girls is something very normal in this days... maybe in '90s... yes maybe they had to do sex to get money at that time :devilish:... but internet was already active in 90's

Sex is part of the life of a healthy teenager Why do you always seem so scandalized by sex in your posts? :unsure:
 
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I never said that

Why are you so afraid of female students having sex in college
Look, all they have to do is open an account on chaturbate or onlyfans... and become webcam girls...they make money that way too...and they get caught by professors who call the parents that if they are from a family that expects their daughters to graduate and get a good job
Parents pay to keep them from being expelled and agree that they will go to do semesters in Switzerland or France to calm things down.

So please
Make money for college girls is something very normal in this days... maybe in '90s... yes maybe they had to do sex to get money at that time :devilish:... but internet was already active in 90's

Sex is part of the life of a healthy teenager Why do you always seem so scandalized by sex in your posts? :unsure:
You know, Stanford, that is not what he said at all.
 

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You know, Stanford, that is not what he said at all.
you are wrong ... He said
suggesting that any female students who spend any time studying abroad do so because they are having too much sex
Any female students? I was talking about Vivian not all females in the world

I just said that IMO Vivian in France was short in money... so she was trying to make money... also with sex or as webcam girl

And Vivian said that she had sex with an older man!

So this is my opinion... and there is nothing to be scandalized about if a college teenager makes money being a webcam girl or doing sex
we are talking about the late 90s and 2000s this is the time of her France semester.. and at ends of 90s drugs was an habit of many girls from rich and influential families
 
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De jó, hogy minden játékszálban vannak ilyen okos, okos idióták. Mint a 88.....88 köcsög!! Stanford Szerintem soha nem volt barátnőd, nemhogy feleség. Szerintem csak az alapján ítélsz, amivel játszottál és amit a tévében láttál. És szerinted ezek igazak, szerintem csökkentened kellene az alkohol, a gyorskaja és a pornójátékok fogyasztását. A túl sok virtuális világ nem jó, mert nem tudod elválasztani a valóságot a virtuálistól.
 

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I'm very popular here .. i need to take a semester in France:cool: With Viian
Thank you all to be so interested in my opinions about this marvelous script
 

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I just said that IMO Vivian in France was short in money... so she was trying to make money... also with sex or webcam girl
That's one massive fucking leap - just because a girl is struggling with money (which has neither been confirmed or denied by the way) doesn't mean she's also going to go straight down the porn route... Fucking hell, I'd love to know what goes on in your head when you read these things, because 9 times out of 10 its not what the rest of us see.

Seems porn really does scramble the brain - honestly, your head canon is stretching at best.
 

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I never said that

Why are you so afraid of female students having sex in college
Look, all they have to do is open an account on chaturbate or onlyfans... and become webcam girls...they make money that way too...and they get caught by professors who call the parents that if they are from a family that expects their daughters to graduate and get a good job
Parents pay to keep them from being expelled and agree that they will go to do semesters in Switzerland or France to calm things down.

Did you remember a TV show in ends of 90s GOSSIP GIRL?
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So please
Make money for college girls is something very normal in this days... maybe in '90s... yes maybe they had to do sex to get money at that time :devilish:... but internet was already active in 90's

Sex is part of the life of a healthy teenager Why do you always seem so scandalized by sex in your posts? :unsure:
Your whole theory reads less like a „logical reconstruction“ and more like a Hallmark movie script with a bit of late-night fanfiction sprinkled in :LOL:.

And just a small correction: Gossip Girl wasn’t from the „late 90s“ — it premiered in 2007. Quoting a fictional teen drama as if it were a sociological case study doesn’t exactly strengthen your argument.

Speculation is one thing, but presenting stereotypes about families, college girls, and semesters abroad as „likely truths“ just makes your posts sound more like fantasy than analysis. If every wild leap is treated as a „clue“, then of course your logic will always connect… but only inside your own story.
 

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Some are putting way to much emphasis on Vivian past. The reason it is lightly covered is because it is not a mainstay of the story ay all.
We've established the bits that matter, really. The main thing is that Vivian's Mom, for whatever reason sold her an image of what a "proper wife" was/is, and she became that person when she married Hutch, which wasnt/isnt really herself. What she was in the past is irrelevant, really, but what matters is that she is not being herself in the present - has she regressed to something she once was? Has she gone through that and right over the edge completely? Doesn't matter, it's not really her past driving her here, just her desire to be her true self after living as the suburban wife like her mom told her to for so long....
 

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We've established the bits that matter, really. The main thing is that Vivian's Mom, for whatever reason sold her an image of what a "proper wife" was/is, and she became that person when she married Hutch, which wasnt/isnt really herself. What she was in the past is irrelevant, really, but what matters is that she is not being herself in the present - has she regressed to something she once was? Has she gone through that and right over the edge completely? Doesn't matter, it's not really her past driving her here, just her desire to be her true self after living as the suburban wife like her mom told her to for so long....
I don't think she is nearly that clear in her own mind about what she is doing.
 

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Doesn't matter, it's not really her past driving her here, just her desire to be her true self after living as the suburban wife like her mom told her to for so long....
That's only one possible interpretation, the second would be that she sensed that her surburban wife existence wasn't suburban wife enough, was built on sand - not enough security, car, holidays, career husband etc. and she got nervous. What follows is not emancipation but panic. Maybe even both are connected: the moment one model wasn't pitch perfect enough, why not leaving the sinking ship and disguising that as bravely choosing self-liberation and pretendeing one never wanted to be that? Why not claiming there is a "true self"`in this hollowness somewhere, just nobody noticed it all the years, even she herself did not? Somehow the exact point of time is interesting when this ominous idea of true self suddenly comes up - when there are financial difficulties, when it's not so comfortable anymore. So it's not about having a boring life, is it, but rather the opposite, the fear of losing it?
 
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That's only one possible interpretation, the second would be that she sensed that her surburban wife existence wasn't suburban wife enough, was built on sand - not enough security, car, holidays, career husband etc. and she got nervous. What follows is not emancipation but panic. Maybe even both are connected: the moment one model wasn't pitch perfect enough, why not leaving the sinking ship and disguising that as bravely choosing self-liberation and pretendeing one never wanted to be that? Why not claiming there is a "true self"`in this hollowness somewhere, just nobody noticed it all the years. even she herself did not?
I wonder if Tony would accuse us of leaving facts behind and wandering off into fantasy. Of course, the difference between acceptable and unacceptable fantasy does matter too.
 

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I don't think she is nearly that clear in her own mind about what she is doing.
I'd agree with not being clear up until the sunshine scene, she says it herself on day 10 at the bar
Vicvian "I created a contrived situation so that I could, more or less, assault on him"
She pretty clear and knows what she is doing... the why, on the other hand...
Sunshine "Well, this man obviously awoke some hidden desires you thought weren't there."
Vivian "But I hate him! So why do I want him?"
Sunshine "You know, some of the best sex I've ever had is with guys I hated"

A four-line conversation, and it gives us the why. Simply put it's the sex and again on day 10 with sunshine, we get the following conversation

Vivian " I thought back to something my mother told me long ago..... She told me to have fun while I was single, but said men wouldn't marry wild women.... At that point I was starting grad school and already working as a student educator. I was ready to move on from my youth and was thinking about my career and starting a family.... So, I closed that chapter of my life and started a new one.... I wanted him to respect me, to believe I was a chaste woman, so I made him wait... a really long time. And I never did certain things so he would think I was a lady. "

One statement from her mother made her change her whole demeanour and personality, all because she's trying to be the woman she thinks Hutch wants - not the actual woman she is - Now, what her past is doesn't matter, but Christian awoke something in her, Sunshine helps her realise what that something is - shes giving in to her desires and she knows it and rather than being someone else and the woman she thinks Hutch wants, she being herself and the woman Christian wants.
 

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I'd agree with not being clear up until the sunshine scene, she says it herself on day 10 at the bar
Vicvian "I created a contrived situation so that I could, more or less, assault on him"
She pretty clear and knows what she is doing... the why, on the other hand...
Sunshine "Well, this man obviously awoke some hidden desires you thought weren't there."
Vivian "But I hate him! So why do I want him?"
Sunshine "You know, some of the best sex I've ever had is with guys I hated"

A four-line conversation, and it gives us the why. Simply put it's the sex and again on day 10 with sunshine, we get the following conversation

Vivian " I thought back to something my mother told me long ago..... She told me to have fun while I was single, but said men wouldn't marry wild women.... At that point I was starting grad school and already working as a student educator. I was ready to move on from my youth and was thinking about my career and starting a family.... So, I closed that chapter of my life and started a new one.... I wanted him to respect me, to believe I was a chaste woman, so I made him wait... a really long time. And I never did certain things so he would think I was a lady. "

One statement from her mother made her change her whole demeanour and personality, all because she's trying to be the woman she thinks Hutch wants - not the actual woman she is - Now, what her past is doesn't matter, but Christian awoke something in her, Sunshine helps her realise what that something is - shes giving in to her desires and she knows it and rather than being someone else and the woman she thinks Hutch wants, she being herself and the woman Christian wants.
It is clear to us. But not to her. Specifically, what is not clear is how it is that she cannot let go of Husband, cannot bear to think of him fucking another woman, must go home to him every night, even snuggles up to him saying, I know I don't deserve this...

Of course we have our own analysis of why she feels that way, does those things, but I think she is confused about herself. In fact, I would say, in the long term, her sanity depends on her sorting that out. She simply must decide which way to go and go that way right or wrong.
 

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Guys.. I'll say it . It doesn't matter. As I said above . Vivian's past is not part of the story line. Anything that was stated by Dev in text for that is just that...a statement. The story has no other information about it. She has a preconceived notion of what sex in marriage is and she followed it for 22 years. End of that story. Now begins " My Husbands Boss "... and that story.. There is 500 pages of that... I'll leave 60 pages of crap.
 
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It is clear to us. But not to her. Specifically, what is not clear is how it is that she cannot let go of Husband, cannot bear to think of him fucking another woman, must go home to him every night, even snuggles up to him saying, I know I don't deserve this...
Because at the end of the day, it's a story and quite a relatively simple one at that, despite the pages and pages of deep analysis. The story would be over if she did the right thing and walked away - she can not let go of her husband because there are 3 more chapters of this to come. The story dictates that she still has hope that it's just a blip, or Hutch will let her have her cake and eat it or insert other reason here. At the end of the day, we don't really need to know why Vivian is on this journey, why she doesn't get off earlier or even how it ends. We just get to spectate the now and enjoy it.
 

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Because at the end of the day, it's a story and quite a relatively simple one at that, despite the pages and pages of deep analysis. The story would be over if she did the right thing and walked away - she can not let go of her husband because there are 3 more chapters of this to come. The story dictates that she still has hope that it's just a blip, or Hutch will let her have her cake and eat it or insert other reason here. At the end of the day, we don't really need to know why Vivian is on this journey, why she doesn't get off earlier or even how it ends. We just get to spectate the now and enjoy it.
Because there are 3 more chapters, which means that if Boss dumps her and she becomes a pole dancer/street prostitute in chpt 3, there are still 2 more where that can all get resolved.

Yes, we do each have our own analysis of her, but the chances are SC is going to blow that all away. That is most likely outcome of all, I suspect.

In fact, it would maker perfect dramatic sense to throw something at us in chpt 3 like the dance/whore thing and then use chpt 4 & 5 to whisk it all away. Way to keep us glued to our monitors, dude.
 
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Because there are 3 more chapters, which means that if Boss dumps her and she becomes a pole dancer/street prostitute in chpt 3, there are still 2 more where that can all get resolved.

Yes, we do each have our own analysis of her, but the chances are SC is going to blow that all away. That is most likely outcome of all, I suspect.
Fuck sake... how do you get from boss dumping Vivian to her becoming a pole dancer/Street hooker? You're as bad as Stanford with wild reaching there.
 

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Because at the end of the day, it's a story and quite a relatively simple one at that, despite the pages and pages of deep analysis. The story would be over if she did the right thing and walked away - she can not let go of her husband because there are 3 more chapters of this to come. The story dictates that she still has hope that it's just a blip, or Hutch will let her have her cake and eat it or insert other reason here. At the end of the day, we don't really need to know why Vivian is on this journey, why she doesn't get off earlier or even how it ends. We just get to spectate the now and enjoy it.
Sorry, but that's a collection of absurd opinions:
1. it's not a simple story at all but starting with a moment of absolutely unusual behavior and therefore building up a problem which has to be solved.
2. She has nowhere to go. What should this mean walking away?
3. If she has still hope or not is not the story at all - the dev himself said he is not interested so much in the character of the wife, but in Hutch.
4. Who the hell says what we need to know or not? Again, it's not Vivian's "journey", that's not the format of the story. It's a couples story under pressure of the boss. So that's a wrong framing.
5. Enjoying a story means for a lot of people thinking about it. Characters have motives. A story is never only the "now", that's what makes it a story, that the now is connected to past and future, and how this connection works defines the quality of the story. It's not an addition of moments.
 
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