As much as I find Vivian to be an unlikable person (controlling her weak husband, constantly lying to him, being easily manipulated, and deluding herself about Hutch not knowing she was at Christian's house to get fucked, and that she got fucked, etc.), I don't think she currently enjoys humiliating Hutch. This may eventually change, but that is not what is going on now. Getting Vivian to humiliate Hutch, is ONE of the ways Christian is humiliating Vivian. Christian knows that Vivian's betrayal of Hutch torments her, and he enjoys the power he has over her to get her to do it. He also enjoys the sexual power he has over her. Giving her orgasms is not about caring about Vivian, it is about his power over her. That is why he did not stop fucking her on the kitchen table until he made her cum. She told him to stop, but he kept going to show his dominance, and he forced an orgasm on her. He treated her like a whore when he fucked her in the garden, and in the kitchen. He did the same thing with some of the blowjobs, particularly when he made her gag. That is why she is grimacing in those scenes. Yes, she eventually starts enjoying it, but he shows his contempt for her by how he treats her. Whenever he seems like he is being gentle or tender with her, that is simply him wrapping her around his finger. Think of abusive boyfriends who know when to be gentle with the girlfriends they abuse. As I wrote in a previous post, Christian is humiliating Hutch AND Vivian. If you look at what Christian says to Vivian, and even the way he has sex with her, he is being very abusive. If Vivian ends up with Christian in the end, she will be nothing more than one of his trophies. He will do the same thing to the next couple, that he is doing to Vivian and Hutch, that he sees is an easy mark.
- Thread starter SC Stories
- Start date
I want to ask something: I'm asking because I don't know. While a few friends on the forum were saying how slutty Vivian was, they pointed out the tattoo on her hip. Is this to say "the woman who gets a tattoo there is a slut" or does that tattoo send a message to those who see it?
TonyMurray
Engaged Member
- Apr 8, 2024
- 3,969
- 6,758
I disagree. DarkArchon says most of what I think about that, though, so I won't repeat it all. I think Vivian was sucked in, and was definitely mentally prepared and even longing for the second kiss to be on the lips. I think she knew when the dress arrived (and maybe before, with the "if you're not there, it's over" speech) that she might have to approach, and possibly cross, a line during dinner. As things progressed, that initial mental preparation meant her defenses were low - she was expecting that she would have to do something to rescue the situation, because Hutch was showing that he wasn't going to be able to win the day through his own means.
She insisted on going to Christian's house because she was played, though. She realised shortly after arrival that Christian was testing her and not Hutch, and that was one of the final steps in realising what was to come that night. None of it (on her side, at least) was about humiliating Hutch. I just don't see anything that she does as intentionally being done to humiliate him. Yes, it's a humiliating situation for him (although the pain is a much higher feeling, I'd say), but there's no indication whatsoever that there's any intent to humilate on Vivian's part, or that she gets off on humilating and/or torturing him.
Unlike some people who have discussed this previously, I think she is genuinely remorseful for the hurt she is causing Hutch, she's just in too deep and feels it would be worse to stop than to continue - "I mean... after everything I've been through.... WE... what we've been through... we wouldn't want it to be for nothing... what we've gone through so far."
---
On a different topic. Sometimes text in a tattoo is just text in a tattoo. It might have no relevence to the story whatsoever. It could literally just be the dev's favourite poem or just a random line that he really likes, and he thought it would be a nice addition.
TonyMurray
Engaged Member
- Apr 8, 2024
- 3,969
- 6,758
My understanding is they think it's "the woman who gets a tattoo there is a slut", and that it therefore sends the message that she is a slut. There's no message that the tattoo in itself sends, it's not like it's a Queen of Spades tattoo or anything.
biggsexxxy
Newbie
- Aug 5, 2017
- 57
- 102
Its the placement of the tattoo that insinuates that she is a slut, many young women in the late 90's and 2000's got "tramp stamps" and were perceived to be sluts, but in all honesty it was just a sexy spot to get a tattoo, later in the 2000's to 2010's the new tramp stamp became the ribs/hip area.....
or he really likes Evan Rachel Wood....
TonyMurray
Engaged Member
- Apr 8, 2024
- 3,969
- 6,758
Nice find, I've not seen that before, but it's the same thing perhaps - likes the poem/those two lines from the poem and wants to show that off. It doesn't have to have a deeper meaning (though of course, on the other hand it might turn out to be massively important).
One thing is for sure, it's made for a lot of discussion back and forth, and that for me is the sign of a good game - people are looking for clues and answers in absolutely everything!
biggsexxxy
Newbie
- Aug 5, 2017
- 57
- 102
Honestly since I went searching for my Poe book, it brought back a lot of memories, and I always liked that poem, so I could see that as just being there for that reason....
And yes, it has made for a lot of discussion and that is defiantly a good thing, I was sitting on that Evan Rachel Wood pic for a week hoping someone else would stumble on it, lol
I also wonder this; How can a woman who was so hot and naughty in her youth be left without anal sex? I don't think saying "I'm scared and I don't want it" won't save a young woman.
TonyMurray
Engaged Member
- Apr 8, 2024
- 3,969
- 6,758
Well, first of all we don't know that she was naughty in her youth (and technically, we also don't know that she was hot, though we've seen a "younger Vivian" render the dev shared). Secondly, being "sexually naughty" does not automatically mean that you have anal sex. Lots of people who you might consider naughty do not want anal sex, for a variety of reasons, just as lots of people you might not consider naughty do have anal sex. And saying "I'm scared and I don't want it" won't save a young woman... are you talking about rape there? Because that sounds like rape if she says she doesn't want it and you're saying that wouldn't stop it from happening.
I said that Vivian is hot and naughty by looking at her tattoo. I think Christian will answer the rape part in the later stages of the game. I think Christian will not be done with her until he tastes Vivian's back hole. We will see whether this will be consensual or rape..
Hutch dead, boss jailed for and Vivian will teach in college
Hattyrulz
Member
- Jan 25, 2018
- 413
- 386
you have already explained a possible happy ending for hutch ... thats what most readers are hoping for in the end. thats not a good ending... just the best of the bad endings.
Of course, not everyone has the same idea of what a good ending would be...so perhaps it could be an ending that would be good to most of us. We shall see!
Adhdclassic
Forum Fanatic
- Mar 10, 2024
- 4,087
- 6,144
Good ending Christian loses his company goes to jail meets his new roommate Bubba who has been alone for far too long.
Darker one:Hutch dead, boss jailed for and Vivian will teach in college
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content.
Log in or register now.
JoeBlogs
Member
- Nov 18, 2017
- 254
- 482
In all fairness, Vivian didn't even give Hutch a chance to do something. She commandeered the whole situation, and basically shoehorned him into her plan. His agency was taken away from him, by her, the moment he told her about the lost accounts. Just another example of her self-centered narcissistic personality.
I agree she did not do it to humiliate or hurt Hutch, after all, in many places she demanded that Hutch not find out. Her completely lying to him also inferred her trying to keep the secret.
Her continuing to use "WE" instead of "I" though, is a big slap in the face to Hutch. He didn't have any say in it. It was not his plan, nor a joint plan, in any way. Just another example of her selfish personality.
I don't know how he managed to stay married to her for 22 years. He must really love her, and as they say, love is blind.
They also say beauty is only skin deep, but ugliness is to the bone!
biggsexxxy
Newbie
- Aug 5, 2017
- 57
- 102
Honestly I don't know about that, Hutch seems to be a weak type man, when cornered he crumbles, and I assume over the last 22 years Vivian had to take the wheel a bunch in the decision making, I have to do that for my wife, if faced with a challenge she thinks is a waste of time, she would rather tuck away and hide rather than face the problem head on, I have had to create plans for her a lot, and I would not call myself self-centered or narcissistic, or selfish, just the job I have to do as a husband to get her motivated, (though I am not fucking her boss, nor would I, pew) and I have a friend that is also a lot like that, his wife is the pants wearer in their house, he would rather not think about shit, let others deal with it...
now in both people they suffer from depression, and that can play a big roll in giving up power to a spouse, it also comes off as lazy....
packard1928
Forum Fanatic
- Nov 16, 2018
- 4,540
- 4,457
I don't think Hutch is weak... I think he is controlling his emotione highly. Look at his facial expressions when confronted... THen there is the time he clinches his fists.... then lets go.... I think he is more complex than we give him.. to soon to tell.