VN Ren'Py My Husband's Boss [v0.2] [SC Stories]

[psychedevil]

Hutch is pretty much giving her away to Christian.

Did Hutch give her away to Christian when he repeatedly told her that he didn't want her to go to his boss' home with him?

Did Hutch give Vivian away to Christian when he warned her again and again about what kind of man he is on the drive to his home and then told her that he wanted to leave soon after they arrived, as he had no desire to grovel for his job?

Did Hutch give Vivian away to Christian when she (the big girl who can take care of herself) decided to drop her panties in the boss' backyard and allow him to hit it from the back?

Did Hutch give Vivian away to Christian when he said that he wanted to leave his boss' home without eating dinner, repeatedly asked his wife if something happened (which she denied), again insisted on leaving after dinner, and then objected to her sleeping in the same bed as his boss, even grabbing her by the arm at one point, to which she characteristically responded not to worry and that she's a big girl and can take care of herself?

Did Hutch give Vivian away to Christian when she insisted that she was going to visit the office only to tell him she would not work for him yet instead again had quite active/involved sex with him and then still agreed to work for him by attending a "business" meeting/dinner and further said that she'd have to convince Hutch to let her do it?

I notice that some in this thread keep harping on Hutch about him not acting more aggressively/forcefully and perhaps even violently toward his boss. However, should Hutch as a loving husband have to resort to doing such things to get his loyal wife of 22 years to agree with him or follow his lead?

Why did his wife choose to contradict and oppose him every step of the way, starting with accompanying him to his boss' home (in effect doing what she thought his boss wanted her to do instead of listening to her husband)?

Why did his wife not back him up when he repeatedly voiced wanting to leave his boss' home and not beg for his job, which he did both before and after the backyard incident?

Why did his wife agree to sleep in the same bed as his boss, knowing what had already happened in the backyard, and even after her husband grabbed her by the arm and tried to restrain her from going?

Why did his wife again have sex with his boss after she had insisted the previous night that she was only visiting the office the next day to tell his boss that she would not work for him, and then after all that, ultimately agreed to work with him anyway and said she'd have to convince her husband to let her do it?

Yeah, sure, one way of seeing it is that Hutch decided to give his wife away to Christian (temporarily) when they sat down at home and finally had a somewhat honest conversation about what had happened and how she felt about it.

However, another way of seeing it is that Vivian had already given herself to his boss repeatedly across the span of two days after she previously insisted each time that she was perfectly capable of handling herself if his boss acted inappropriately.

Vivian says one thing and does another thing; she then lies about it when directly asked and would've continued to lie if she hadn't been caught; and while at home with Hutch, she acts like she wants to flee the town with him after she just told his boss earlier (post-sex) that she'd have to get him to agree to let her go to a "business" meeting/dinner with him.

So okay, maybe Vivian wants Hutch to show her that he as her husband desires her and wants to protect her. However, it seems that he tried to do that, at least in his own way, though perhaps more of an angry outburst or physical confrontation was needed to sufficiently claim his wife, the wife with whom he had traded vows with long ago and raised a son currently attending college. On the other hand, maybe Hutch wants Vivian as his wife to show him that she of her own volition can be trusted, honest, and faithful, not because he has to pressure or mate guard her into doing it, but because that's what she really wants. Yes, Hutch told her that he was willing to give her what he thinks she wants but is unwilling to admit to him, but he also told her that what happens or does not happen is up to her (as it was from the start before she chose to give herself to his boss, which granted she likely was initially coerced into doing, but then went quite a ways beyond that).

 

[Dealbreaker]

I notice that some in this thread keep harping on Hutch about him not acting more aggressively/forcefully and perhaps even violently toward his boss. However, should Hutch as a loving husband have to resort to doing such things to get his loyal wife of 22 years to agree with him or follow his lead?

So okay, maybe Vivian wants Hutch to show her that he as her husband desires her and wants to protect her. However, it seems that he tried to do that, at least in his own way, though perhaps more of an angry outburst or physical confrontation was needed to sufficiently prove his desire and claim his wife, the wife with whom he had traded vows with long ago and raised a son currently attending college. On the other hand, maybe Hutch wants Vivian as his wife to show him that she of her own volition can be trusted, honest, and faithful, not because he has to pressure or mate guard her into doing it, but because that's what she really wants.

Modern/boomer vs tradcon dilemma finally reached the thread, after some early signs weeks ago (if we like the labels or not).
Both positions are problematic - and the game is forcing us to confront that.

 

[TheDuke9999]

Did Hutch give her away to Christian when he repeatedly told her that he didn't want her to go to his boss' home with him?

Did Hutch give Vivian away to Christian when he warned her again and again about what kind of man he is on the drive to his home and then told her that he wanted to leave soon after they arrived, as he had no desire to grovel for his job?

Did Hutch give Vivian away to Christian when she (the big girl who can take care of herself) decided to drop her panties in the boss' backyard and allow him to hit it from the back?

Did Hutch give Vivian away to Christian when he said that he wanted to leave his boss' home without eating dinner, repeatedly asked his wife if something happened (which she denied), again insisted on leaving after dinner, and then objected to her sleeping in the same bed as his boss, even grabbing her by the arm at one point, to which she characteristically responded not to worry and that she's a big girl and can take care of herself?

Did Hutch give Vivian away to Christian when she insisted that she was going to visit the office only to tell him she would not work for him yet instead again had quite active/involved sex with him and then still agreed to work for him by attending a "business" meeting/dinner and further said that she'd have to convince Hutch to let her do it?

I notice that some in this thread keep harping on Hutch about him not acting more aggressively/forcefully and perhaps even violently toward his boss. However, should Hutch as a loving husband have to resort to doing such things to get his loyal wife of 22 years to agree with him or follow his lead?

Why did his wife choose to contradict and oppose him every step of the way, starting with accompanying him to his boss' home (in effect doing what she thought his boss wanted her to do instead of listening to her husband)?

Why did his wife not back him up when he repeatedly voiced wanting to leave his boss' home and not beg for his job, which he did both before and after the backyard incident?

Why did his wife agree to sleep in the same bed as his boss, knowing what had already happened in the backyard, and even after her husband grabbed her by the arm and tried to restrain her from going?

Why did his wife again have sex with his boss after she had insisted the previous night that she was only visiting the office the next day to tell his boss that she would not work for him, and then after all that, ultimately agreed to work with him anyway and said she'd have to convince her husband to let her do it?

Yeah, sure, one way of seeing it is that Hutch decided to give his wife away to Christian (temporarily) when they sat down at home and finally had a somewhat honest conversation about what had happened and how she felt about it.

However, another way of seeing it is that Vivian had already given herself to his boss repeatedly across the span of two days after she previously insisted each time that she was perfectly capable of handling herself if his boss acted inappropriately.

Vivian says one thing and does another thing; she then lies about it when directly asked and would've continued to lie if she hadn't been caught; and while at home with Hutch, she acts like she wants to flee the town with him after she just told his boss earlier (post-sex) that she'd have to get him to agree to let her go to a "business" meeting/dinner with him.

So okay, maybe Vivian wants Hutch to show her that he as her husband desires her and wants to protect her. However, it seems that he tried to do that, at least in his own way, though perhaps more of an angry outburst or physical confrontation was needed to sufficiently claim his wife, the wife with whom he had traded vows with long ago and raised a son currently attending college. On the other hand, maybe Hutch wants Vivian as his wife to show him that she of her own volition can be trusted, honest, and faithful, not because he has to pressure or mate guard her into doing it, but because that's what she really wants. Yes, Hutch told her that he was willing to give her what he thinks she wants but is unwilling to admit to him, but he also told her that what happens or does not happen is up to her (as it was from the start before she chose to give herself to his boss, which granted she likely was initially coerced into doing, but then went quite a ways beyond that).

she cucked her husband and her son and was smiling all the way thru it. she loves it and she is going to bring the pain soon. god i love that woman.

 

[psychedevil]

Modern/boomer vs tradcon dilemma finally reached the thread, after some early signs weeks ago (if we like the labels or not).
Both positions are problematic - and the game is forcing us to confront that.

To be clear, I'm not arguing for a position that I would have taken if faced with that situation. I may be more of an introvert (like Hutch in some ways), but I have a hell of a lot of fire and fury lurking inside of me that certainly would have been made apparent real quick if I had witnessed that shit go down.

My point is to be more of a devil's advocate in defense of Hutch, as a bit of pushback against what I perceive as too much taking up for Vivian as his wife and placing an undue amount of blame or responsibility on Hutch as her husband, despite no one having acted ideally given the circumstances.

 

[xert13]

Why hate someone just because it strives for something more. She put up with the bullshit long enough, it was time to change the engine.


...and, who does not, except Huutch!?


He always doesn't know what to do, except minding the toilet where Spencer was on. This was the only situation he was able to manage!


...and what about the manipulation before, the blackmail? Drive home in that state and you're fired. Huutch instead of insisting for both to take the couch does again nothing!
He isn't able to take the initiative and bring on any sentence to Christian. A poor little individual.


Especially when married for so long or better said when you love each other and one partner is struggeling, is this the time you need to stand up for the one who isn't able, you fight!.
You don't insult the one who is struggeling, you need to give your best to help the one...and what did Huutch do?...Yeah, nothing!
Asking the struggelin person unspecific questions, like "Is there anything you want to say?". Really?!
Huutch is introverted, shy and most of all a coward.

Someone who is aware of a danger, minds the danger and doesn't approach it directly with a bottle of wine in his hand and a sexy dressed wife on the other.
Why rooting for someone who isn't even rooting for his beloved ones.

Asking the struggelin person unspecific questions, like "Is there anything you want to say?". Really?!
Huutch is introverted, shy and most of all a coward.

Opinions may vary, but I really disagree with the statement that Hutch is a coward. Why is he a coward? Because he didn't go medieval on Christian? As many have stated, including me, Hutch is in a very difficult situation and then goes into severe shock witnessing his wife and Christian. There is anger, self-loathing and hopelessness. There are no good choices for him. Yes, he has a choice. Each would have its own consequence. The choice he made does not make him a coward in my opinion. He is a man with few options. I suspect we shall see him spiral down until he is a man with no choice, with nothing to lose. Then, if he rolls over we can say he is a coward. Until then, however, I think the jury is still out. Just my take.

 

[Luc77]

At a certain age, experience - you already know that certain actions do not make sense. WHAT will be will be. If not Chris, then it will be someone else. She has to decide. He will draw (or not) the consequences.

 

[Dealbreaker]

she cucked her husband and her son and was smiling all the way thru it. she loves it and she is going to bring the pain soon. god i love that woman.

TheDukes messages are getting more and more refined - shorter, more condensed, almost poetic phrasing, while the content has an accelerating, apocalyptic vibe. I like it.

 

[Luc77]

I wonder what he's thinking when he writes that he's cheating on his son.

 

[Dealbreaker]

wonder what he's thinking when he writes that he's cheating on his son.

Yes, as I understand it, it's a comprehensive concept of cheating or cucking which includes the (male) children as well, which I have seen elswhere, too. I've never viewed it that way before and have never thought about it, that a mother is kind of cucking her son if she cheats (although there is no incest at play). It certainly plays a role in swearing and bullying language (I'll fuck your mother). It's an honor-thing I guess.

 

[Luc77]

this is very strange to me
so if a man cheats on his wife, it means he also cheats on his daughter (if he has one)...

 

[TheDuke9999]

TheDukes messages are getting more and more refined - shorter, more condensed, almost poetic phrasing, while the content has an accelerating, apocalyptic vibe. I like it.

 

[TheDuke9999]

I wonder what he's thinking when he writes that he's cheating on his son.

i guess im thinking what a pig of a mother she is while she yells at her son and her sons friends face is planted between her jugs.. god i love that woman such a good mom an wife.

 

[Luc77]

definitely an alter ego

 

[Sparta158]

Yes, as I understand it, it's a comprehensive concept of cheating or cucking which includes the (male) children as well, which I have seen elswhere, too. I've never viewed it that way before and have never thought about it, that a mother is kind of cucking her son if she cheats (although there is no incest at play). It certainly plays a role in swearing and bullying language (I'll fuck your mother). It's an honor-thing I guess.

This is more common in Japanese ntr stories. But it's not cuckolding. The best explanation I've ever seen about NTR is that it's not about the fetishization of cuckolding, it's about the fetishization of loss.
And I suspect that's what this story will be about.

 

[Dealbreaker]

The best explanation I've ever seen about NTR is that it's not about the fetishization of cuckolding, it's about the fetishization of loss.

Yes, that's how I would understand it as well: NTR and NTS are loss captured and prolongated in extreme slow motion, expanded into a process, step by step and always anticipated, thought about, felt through by the MC every small step of the way. That's why NTR NTS can't exist without the idea of possessiveness. Whereas sharing and swinging is based on the very idea of non-possessiveness, or at least the utmost relaxation of possessive feelings which are seen as almost intolerant.

And to what end all that? Because the feeling of loss intensifies the feeling of the worth of the lost or endangered object/person in the extreme - that is the logic of the eroticization here. It becomes unbearably desirable during that process.

 

[Sparta158]

Yes, that's how I would understand it as well: NTR and NTS are loss captured and prolongated in extreme slow motion, expanded into a process, step by step and always anticipated, thought about, felt through by the MC every small step of the way. That's why NTR NTS can't exist without the idea of possessiveness. Whereas sharing and swinging is based on the very idea of non-possessiveness, or at least the utmost relaxation of possessive feelings which are seen as almost intolerant.

And to what end all that? Because the feeling of loss intensifies the feeling of the worth of the lost or endangered object/person in the extreme - that is the logic of the eroticization here. It becomes unbearably desirable during that process.

Yes, I agree. A big focus is on the destruction of the marriage leading to the fetishization of loss. A big part of those games is getting off to the pain and loss that the protagonist is subjected to. It goes beyond corruption and into a sort of sadism or masochism, depending on how you relate to the protagonist. I've seen a few people actually say they feel guilty after getting off to a loss centered NTR story, the post nut clarity can hit really bad if the writing is good.
It is heavy fare and not suitable for everyone, as it leaves a deep punch in the stomach.

 

[Hattyrulz]

Yes she knows he is a introvert and pushover. And to me it also shows she doesn't respect him or trust into his ability.

i don't think introverts are pushover. or being introverted leads to becoming a pushover.

Did Hutch give her away to Christian when he repeatedly told her that he didn't want her to go to his boss' home with him?

Did Hutch give Vivian away to Christian when he warned her again and again about what kind of man he is on the drive to his home and then told her that he wanted to leave soon after they arrived, as he had no desire to grovel for his job?

Did Hutch give Vivian away to Christian when she (the big girl who can take care of herself) decided to drop her panties in the boss' backyard and allow him to hit it from the back?

Did Hutch give Vivian away to Christian when he said that he wanted to leave his boss' home without eating dinner, repeatedly asked his wife if something happened (which she denied), again insisted on leaving after dinner, and then objected to her sleeping in the same bed as his boss, even grabbing her by the arm at one point, to which she characteristically responded not to worry and that she's a big girl and can take care of herself?

Did Hutch give Vivian away to Christian when she insisted that she was going to visit the office only to tell him she would not work for him yet instead again had quite active/involved sex with him and then still agreed to work for him by attending a "business" meeting/dinner and further said that she'd have to convince Hutch to let her do it?

I notice that some in this thread keep harping on Hutch about him not acting more aggressively/forcefully and perhaps even violently toward his boss. However, should Hutch as a loving husband have to resort to doing such things to get his loyal wife of 22 years to agree with him or follow his lead?

Why did his wife choose to contradict and oppose him every step of the way, starting with accompanying him to his boss' home (in effect doing what she thought his boss wanted her to do instead of listening to her husband)?

Why did his wife not back him up when he repeatedly voiced wanting to leave his boss' home and not beg for his job, which he did both before and after the backyard incident?

Why did his wife agree to sleep in the same bed as his boss, knowing what had already happened in the backyard, and even after her husband grabbed her by the arm and tried to restrain her from going?

Why did his wife again have sex with his boss after she had insisted the previous night that she was only visiting the office the next day to tell his boss that she would not work for him, and then after all that, ultimately agreed to work with him anyway and said she'd have to convince her husband to let her do it?

Yeah, sure, one way of seeing it is that Hutch decided to give his wife away to Christian (temporarily) when they sat down at home and finally had a somewhat honest conversation about what had happened and how she felt about it.

However, another way of seeing it is that Vivian had already given herself to his boss repeatedly across the span of two days after she previously insisted each time that she was perfectly capable of handling herself if his boss acted inappropriately.

Vivian says one thing and does another thing; she then lies about it when directly asked and would've continued to lie if she hadn't been caught; and while at home with Hutch, she acts like she wants to flee the town with him after she just told his boss earlier (post-sex) that she'd have to get him to agree to let her go to a "business" meeting/dinner with him.

So okay, maybe Vivian wants Hutch to show her that he as her husband desires her and wants to protect her. However, it seems that he tried to do that, at least in his own way, though perhaps more of an angry outburst or physical confrontation was needed to sufficiently claim his wife, the wife with whom he had traded vows with long ago and raised a son currently attending college. On the other hand, maybe Hutch wants Vivian as his wife to show him that she of her own volition can be trusted, honest, and faithful, not because he has to pressure or mate guard her into doing it, but because that's what she really wants. Yes, Hutch told her that he was willing to give her what he thinks she wants but is unwilling to admit to him, but he also told her that what happens or does not happen is up to her (as it was from the start before she chose to give herself to his boss, which granted she likely was initially coerced into doing, but then went quite a ways beyond that).

nice summary of the views of vivian and hutch. but the devil is in the details... and the devil here is christian manipulating couple.
it's already chaotic to jump between the views of the couple but when you mix the manipulations of the boss it become more volatile.
i agree that to your thoughts but the phrasing can be improved in my opinion... like trading vows(it sounds transactional).... i think it should be made(more like building something)...y do people repeatedly focus on the one side of the do it dont it part of the conversation. as well worded as your views are think you should have posted the views of the couple when hutch said those words. i know the post would be even longer if you add those views but it does have importance.
as i said before vivian may have done it with the best of intentions but she became a cheater during the course of the story. now it's just a matter of time if the cheater chooses the path leading to becoming a good wife or be consumed by her awakened sexuality. so far all roads point to vivian choosing to be giving in to her awakened sexuality.

To be clear, I'm not arguing for a position that I would have taken if faced with that situation. I may be more of an introvert (like Hutch in some ways), but I have a hell of a lot of fire and fury lurking inside of me that certainly would have been made apparent real quick if I had witnessed that shit go down.

My point is to be more of a devil's advocate in defense of Hutch, as a bit of pushback against what I perceive as too much taking up for Vivian as his wife and placing an undue amount of blame or responsibility on Hutch as her husband, despite no one having acted ideally given the circumstances.

as said before i don't think there is any blame to be placed on hutch. it's just the opinions of the new posters who haven't read the older posts in this thread voicing their views. not taking sides but yes there is enough blame to go around and SC Stories posts imply that hutch is the main character among the multiple protagonist..... vivian and christian are secondary. even if the story so far gives vivian more screen time ( don't know how else to word it). SC Stories post about the readers getting what they want from update 3(0.6) tells us that thats where to meat of the story will presented. which will i hope answer the various views/opinions/theories.

At a certain age, experience - you already know that certain actions do not make sense. WHAT will be will be. If not Chris, then it will be someone else. She has to decide. He will draw (or not) the consequences.

as a man i don't think any should be dealing with the consequences of their spouses actions. this may sound bashful but in my opinion a good wife must follows the husbands lead even if there are marital problems. screw age and experience... it's just seems like an excuse to give up on the relationship.
what will be will be is .... forgive me but seems like a cowards way of making excuses. i know hutch's actions align more with that statement in his actions in the story but he was forced into those choices by vivian(from her words and actions). not because he wanted to but because he was forced into it. that's how i see it.

sorry luc just had to say my thoughts didn't mean to opposes your views in such a way.

 

[psychedevil]

nice summary of the views of vivian and hutch. but the devil is in the details... and the devil here is christian manipulating couple. it's already chaotic to jump between the views of the couple but when you mix the manipulations of the boss it become more volatile. i agree that to your thoughts but the phrasing can be improved in my opinion... like trading vows(it sounds transactional)

I am not disputing that the villain of this story is Christian, the husband's boss. If not for his manipulations (which he has done to many couples apparently), then none of this would have happened.

However, I must take issue with you taking issue with my use of the phrasing "trading vows." When I do a Google search for "trade exchange vows", the AI Overview returns the following:

"In a wedding ceremony, "trading or exchanging vows" refers to the couple making promises of love, commitment, and faithfulness to each other, typically followed by the exchange of rings."

I will admit that "exchanging vows" is more commonly used, but "trading" and "exchanging" are synonyms. Perhaps you are not familiar with the word in this usage, outside of the context of a business transaction. However, even the word "transaction" is not necessarily business-related; transaction can also mean "an exchange or interaction between people" (Oxford Dictionary).

 

[TheDuke9999]

the best part of this VN is they are all villians , they are all at fault and depending on are own life experiences and we choose who to support based from that.. again i say ... the road to hell is paved with good intentions... now vivian better get back with my money , i got that hoe on the grind for me . i need to make a house payment ..

 

[Hattyrulz]

I will admit that "exchanging vows" is more commonly used, but "trading" and "exchanging" are synonyms. Perhaps you are not familiar with the word in this usage, outside of the context of a business transaction. However, even the word "transaction" is not necessarily business-related; transaction can also mean "an exchange or interaction between people" (Oxford Dictionary).

not disputing the wording just voicing my thoughts.... as you missed the later part of my quote ....made vows to each other is in my view to build something together... yes i agree that exchange of vows and trading vows is commonly used but when i did the vows with my wife i asked the priest to word it so... as we were building something together. not refuting or opposing your words. just my opinion on it.

the best part of this VN is they are all villians , they are all at fault and depending on are own life experiences and we choose who to support based from that.. again i say ... the road to hell is paved with good intentions... now vivian better get back with my money , i got that hoe on the grind for me . i need to make a house payment ..

i used the phrase first...the road to hell is paved with good intentions... you need to pay me royalty or send vivian over for some payment.