4.70 star(s) 90 Votes

Gattsu#Struggler

Active Member
May 8, 2017
580
1,092
Its clear you don't like this KN, and find no reason to continue with it, and I mean no disrespect, but why continue to bash it, you have said you peace, and yet you read multiple pages???? if it were me, I'd move on, again no disrespect, just curious......
He repeats his speech multiple times in different ntr threads and got multiple times banned already. He's a masochist it seems :ROFLMAO:
 

JoeBlogs

Member
Nov 18, 2017
113
120
With regards to potential flashbacks I really would like to see what made Vivian drop her panties in the first place. She seems through the whole thing to be pretty naive about what's going on. Thinking she's in control when she isn't actually. I could see where that naivety could lead her to not resist in the backyard the first time they had sex and after that just been overwhelmed by the situation. But I could also see her succumbing to her lust in that initial encounter as well. I would really like to know which one of those things it was so I can figure out how much sympathy I can have for her character.
That's the million dollar question. I'm sure if we new what the secret is to turning a devoted wife of 22 years into a bent over common bitch within 10 minutes, we will all be rich.
I hope we do get to see the flashback. I'll be taking notes ;)

- A scene is seen in prison, Christian's ass is busted in the showers.
It would be better to see him being split-roasted.
Maybe BBC telling him to take it into his throat. Christian saying "I can't", and BBC replying "don't worry I'll help ya" before deep throating him - just like the kitchen scene ;)

-cause and effect are simply consequences that trigger outcomes. The greatest stretch of logic the game has made thus far is the whole sleepover event. Does Vivian really have any expectation with all the hollering from Christian's pounding that Hutch doesn't already know ... that all Hutch had to do was get up and see her in the backyard getting railed ... or that she doesn't stick of sex on the car ride home. It seems that's a plausibility argument, but barring the husband's ignorance myth Vivian has how does or will she think of her newfound situation. Wouldn't expect Hutch not to be miserable, but that's not the point. The point being in the journey of corruption how does it change her character.
Yeah absolutely, after a night of fucking, and no showering, her stink would be a dead giveaway. We just need to suspend our disbelief to get a good story.
 

biggsexxxy

Newbie
Aug 5, 2017
33
51
Let Alex speak their 2 cents.. he's entitled to it.. cu
I was honestly just curious, I have been here for a while, never posted because I never felt like I had much to offer other games, and others seem to cover them fine with out me, and I do understand it is his right to post, but I guess, if I didn't like something I'd post something and move on, not try to force my Alpha-isum on others like I have something to prove, but he answered my question, I can move on (y)
 

Itsphred

Newbie
Aug 15, 2024
91
110
I was honestly just curious, I have been here for a while, never posted because I never felt like I had much to offer other games, and others seem to cover them fine with out me, and I do understand it is his right to post, but I guess, if I didn't like something I'd post something and move on, not try to force my Alpha-isum on others like I have something to prove, but he answered my question, I can move on (y)
LOL there will always be people like him who need to feel like they need to be right .. And feel the need to have the last word or that their opinion matters LOL But your opinions are always welcome here and there is so much to offer!

 
  • Like
Reactions: Gattsu#Struggler

Zick_Zack

Member
Sep 17, 2024
115
803
So after yet another play through, I noticed something that struck me as odd because of all the detail in in the game that most others leave out, and to be honest its a bit petty for me to even say, but Vivian's makeup and most importantly her lip stick, it is always perfect, LOL, I mean before dinner, perfect, after the tryst on the porch, perfect, after all them gagging noises from the bedroom, perfect, after the suck and fuck in the kitchen, perfect, after the second round of escapades in the bedroom till the morning, perfect, but she hit that shower and the lip stick is gone and makeup running down her face....

Me and the wife go at it for 15 minutes and her makeup is a mess, LOL

Now I am not complaining, because honestly I don't like when the makeup is running all over the place during the scene, but I just thought I had to point it out.....

Please don't hate on me, LOL

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
Man, after seeing these screenshots, I realize how on point Vivian is when it comes to design. I mean, she's attractive, but while maintaining realism, it's not over the top. I don't know if her age was made clear, but she looks like a woman in her 40s, she has that housewife aura, I don't know if I'm making myself clear. Which makes it all feel more real and in a way more connected to the story that the developer wants to tell us.
 

Penumbral Evanescence

|☽◯☾| Somnium of the Night ✧ Bête Noire
Moderator
GFX Designer
Donor
Jul 16, 2021
3,000
9,987
I don't know if her age was made clear, but she looks like a woman in her 40s, she has that housewife aura, I don't know if I'm making myself clear. Which makes it all feel more real and in a way more connected to the story that the developer wants to tell us
Yeah, it is heavily implied throughout the game's narrative that Vivian is approaching 40. Remember the scene when she visited Chris's office as 'Ms Dubois', and then when she was talking to Addison, Addison mentioned to Chris the rough age of the lady who was at the front desk, and she mentioned a lady in her '40s' middle age, etc. So, more than likely that Vivian is around 40.

Plus, it seems like her son is around 18-20 years old as a college freshman. So, that would mean that if her son is 18, Vivian must have given birth to him at 22. So, all in all, based on the evidence implied, it wouldn't be too far out of the realm of possibilities, that Vivian is in fact in her early 40s.

The realism is appreciated though, as Vivian does indeed look like how a woman her age would appear IMHO
 

TonyMurray

Engaged Member
Apr 8, 2024
2,747
4,684
Yeah, it is heavily implied throughout the game's narrative that Vivian is approaching 40. Remember the scene when she visited Chris's office as 'Ms Dubois', and then when she was talking to Addison, Addison mentioned to Chris the rough age of the lady who was at the front desk, and she mentioned a lady in her '40s' middle age, etc. So, more than likely that Vivian is around 40.

Plus, it seems like her son is around 18-20 years old as a college freshman. So, that would mean that if her son is 18, Vivian must have given birth to him at 22. So, all in all, based on the evidence implied, it wouldn't be too far out of the realm of possibilities, that Vivian is in fact in her early 40s.

The realism is appreciated though, as Vivian does indeed look like how a woman her age would appear IMHO
And of course, they've been married for 22 years, so although you can do it earlier (depending on local laws) you're probably talking 18 at least, so 22 years on she would be 40. Obviously a couple of years after that for getting married in their (her) early 20s instead of late teens, so early to mid 40s perhaps.
 

LUCIANO2020

Newbie
Dec 10, 2021
79
79
So after yet another play through, I noticed something that struck me as odd because of all the detail in in the game that most others leave out, and to be honest its a bit petty for me to even say, but Vivian's makeup and most importantly her lip stick, it is always perfect, LOL, I mean before dinner, perfect, after the tryst on the porch, perfect, after all them gagging noises from the bedroom, perfect, after the suck and fuck in the kitchen, perfect, after the second round of escapades in the bedroom till the morning, perfect, but she hit that shower and the lip stick is gone and makeup running down her face....

Me and the wife go at it for 15 minutes and her makeup is a mess, LOL

Now I am not complaining, because honestly I don't like when the makeup is running all over the place during the scene, but I just thought I had to point it out.....

Please don't hate on me, LOL

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
hi how did you get that picture ? https://attachments.f95zone.to/2025/02/4558478_2.webp then i went to the file i didnt find such picture .
 
  • Like
Reactions: biggsexxxy

Penumbral Evanescence

|☽◯☾| Somnium of the Night ✧ Bête Noire
Moderator
GFX Designer
Donor
Jul 16, 2021
3,000
9,987
Obviously a couple of years after that for getting married in their (her) early 20s instead of late teens, so early to mid 40s perhaps
Yeah that's what I initially suspected to be the case as well :sneaky: :coffee:

Spouses going through a mid-life crisis can compel them to do the most craziest of things ;)
 

LUCIANO2020

Newbie
Dec 10, 2021
79
79
After analysing the personality of Vivian i have a theoretical dialoge from the hide scenes at the backyard. Sorry for my english and sorry for not having great skills as a writer .

Christian : hier is the backyard
Vivian. is nice house
Christian : stop behind her and whsipering in her ear : the dress suit fantastic on you , just perct.
Vivian bites her lips. Didnt say a word
Christian : well lets beginn with what we are here now. touching her waist. And smelling her neck
Vivian : what are you doing? Are you out of your mind!???
Christian: Not what are you doing ? You are here now just because i said to you and i say also to your husband not to bring you.
Christian so whos wish you are hier following your husbands or mine. You are wearing the dress i bought you.
For who do you want to look so atractive . Chrstian speaking very convincent and very strongly while grabing her hand and got her close ti him. Who do you want to reject?
Vivian : didnt say a word and as she wanted to say something.
Christian says : We are adult and you knew that a simple dinner is not going to give me back my 2 Loses Clients where almost a million of dollars are invested.
Are you being serious .
Vivian : close her eyes thinking how naive she was .Thinking that he really underestimate the words from her husband when he warned her .( Flashback in bed with her husbands words)
As suddenly she feels christian pulling her skirt up and kising her neck she could avoid to moan.
She realize is too late to go back and react and she was so aroused about the happening she surrender her lust.
As Chrsitian saying the words to her whispering : I can feel you like it .
Vivian find herself suddenly at the table and feeling how Chrsitian did his way.
The explotion of the heat of the moment was so intense that christian order her to go on her knees then he didnt want to come but in her mouth. At that moment Christian finished in she didnt swallowed all. But Chrstian says I see how you enjoy this. The Dragon feels satisfy for now . Now lets continue with the dinner. Lets go .

I hope you like it:)
 

Penumbral Evanescence

|☽◯☾| Somnium of the Night ✧ Bête Noire
Moderator
GFX Designer
Donor
Jul 16, 2021
3,000
9,987
After analysing the personality of Vivian i have a theoretical dialoge from the hide scenes at the backyard. Sorry for my english and sorry for not having great skills as a writer .

Christian : hier is the backyard
Vivian. is nice house
Christian : stop behind her and whsipering in her ear : the dress suit fantastic on you , just perct.
Vivian bites her lips. Didnt say a word
Christian : well lets beginn with what we are here now. touching her waist. And smelling her neck
Vivian : what are you doing? Are you out of your mind!???
Christian: Not what are you doing ? You are here now just because i said to you and i say also to your husband not to bring you.
Christian so whos wish you are hier following your husbands or mine. You are wearing the dress i bought you.
For who do you want to look so atractive . Chrstian speaking very convincent and very strongly while grabing her hand and got her close ti him. Who do you want to reject?
Vivian : didnt say a word and as she wanted to say something.
Christian says : We are adult and you knew that a simple dinner is not going to give me back my 2 Loses Clients where almost a million of dollars are invested.
Are you being serious .
Vivian : close her eyes thinking how naive she was .Thinking that he really underestimate the words from her husband when he warned her .( Flashback in bed with her husbands words)
As suddenly she feels christian pulling her skirt up and kising her neck she could avoid to moan.
She realize is too late to go back and react and she was so aroused about the happening she surrender her lust.
As Chrsitian saying the words to her whispering : I can feel you like it .
Vivian find herself suddenly at the table and feeling how Chrsitian did his way.
The explotion of the heat of the moment was so intense that christian order her to go on her knees then he didnt want to come but in her mouth. At that moment Christian finished in she didnt swallowed all. But Chrstian says I see how you enjoy this. The Dragon feels satisfy for now . Now lets continue with the dinner. Lets go .

I hope you like it:)
Thanks for the scene recreation man :sneaky: (y)

Yeah, I've always wondered what conversations Vivian/Chris were having while Hutch was given homework from Chris to work on.

The words/phrases that Chris said to Vivian to get her to submit easily...Man that would have been nice to see.

Maybe in a future update, the dev will play a flashback of the backyard/dinner visit scene so we can see the actual dialogue that occurred between Vivian/Chris :unsure: That would be cool
 
  • Like
Reactions: LUCIANO2020

wt859

Newbie
Sep 24, 2019
29
29
Blacksamba I read your review of the VN and I have a question. You compared the relationships to medieval power dynamics (droit de cuissage), but I don't think that comparison entirely works, due to Christian not having a 'right' to Vivian, and the motivations of the characters being deeper than that. You also said the characters, their stakes, motivations, and context are believable, so how can the unfolding of events not be believable? That's like saying all the ingredients for this cake are good, but the actual cake just falls apart. I may need more insight into your thoughts because I feel your review is missing some key information to support your claim. I'm not against your review, I'm just curious.
 

Robb123456

Newbie
May 8, 2018
98
146
Blacksamba I read your review of the VN and I have a question. You compared the relationships to medieval power dynamics (droit de cuissage), but I don't think that comparison entirely works, due to Christian not having a 'right' to Vivian, and the motivations of the characters being deeper than that. You also said the characters, their stakes, motivations, and context are believable, so how can the unfolding of events not be believable? That's like saying all the ingredients for this cake are good, but the actual cake just falls apart. I may need more insight into your thoughts because I feel your review is missing some key information to support your claim. I'm not against your review, I'm just curious.
For the " droit de cuissage" part, i have to say it's a tenacious legend, which has no no historical foundation whatsoever.

The right of cuissage, also called right of jambage and sometimes right of deflowering, is a lively legend according to which a lord would have had the right to have sexual relations with the wife of a vassal or a serf on the first night of his wedding (Jus primae noctis, abbreviated Prima nocta 1).

This "right" reserving defloration to a lord would have been a variation of the right of quittage or formariage, which really existed, which obliged a serf wishing to marry his daughter outside the fief of his lord to pay the said lord three sous in exchange for his symbolic authorization of the marriage2.

Overall, this practice - although it may have been occasionally implemented by certain powerful people abusing their power, the feudal lords having strong rights over the serfs - never actually had any legal existence in Europe, and was mainly brandished after the French Revolution to discredit the feudal regime.

For the rest, the unfolding of events not being believable, i agree but i think it's personnal matter if you get over it or not. After all, this is a porn game.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: oldshoe

Gattsu#Struggler

Active Member
May 8, 2017
580
1,092
This is a KN not a biography or autobiography. When did Dev tell his story has anything to do with reality?
Exactly,...never! So whoever compares this to reality I recommend them to get dressed, step aside and take a breath of reality outside, or watch porn with real persons but don't expect a real story behind it!
He wants to entertain and to achieve this he did a marvelous work by trying to capture our thoughts with his pictures instead of heavy dialogues.
 
4.70 star(s) 90 Votes