massoblivion

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It's good to see the developer responding to people's concerns, I take it as a good sign. Good to hear you're doing something about the needs speed and the QTEs. That said, I don't think making the QTEs sound based is a good solution. For one, now people wouldn't be able to play the game with the sound off or turned down real low. More importantly, I don't think it actually solves the issues with QTEs. The QTEs aren't distracting because they're visually distracting (I'm mean they are), they're distracting because they're quick time events period. There shouldn't be any quick time events during the sex scenes at all of any kind. I know you have plans for game play elements to tie into the quick time events, but you have to understand people view the sex scenes as the "main course". I don't think it's wise to sacrifices the enjoyment or quality of the sex scenes for anything else.

I think it's better if I provide some examples of how I think the QTEs could be changed.

Option 1: During the sex scenes there's a meter in the bottom right corner. The player can hold down W, A, S or D. If they hold down the correct button, the meter will slowly fill up. After a few seconds (let's say 10) the correct button changes. If the player isn't holding down the correct button then the meter slowly drains. The meter never drains faster than it fills though. There's no penalty for having an empty meter (you don't fail). The meter never drains pass 0. How full the meter is at the end of the scene is how well the player did.

The mini-game, whatever it is, needs to be laid back, easy, chill and most importantly not require too much of the player's attention span. The player does not want to play DDR on a keyboard while they're trying to watch the sex scenes. They're going to be playing this part of the game focusing mainly on the sex scene and only secondarily on the game play.

Option 2: If sex in this game is going to use stats like an RPG, why not just scrap the mini-game and just use the stats? Every time your character gives a blow job your BJ stat increases. How much an NPC enjoys the blow job depends on how high the stat it. That's it, no mini-game. The sex scene is just a sex scene. Maybe you can increase the stats other ways too like watching porn. Maybe porn magazines can work as skill books.

Option 3: Keep the QTEs and make them optional. There's an option in the menu that allows the player turn off the sex mini-game. The player can now watch the sex scene without being distracted. The game treats it as if the player got a 100% perfect score in the mini-game every time there's a sex scene. Basically it's a cheat mode for the sex scenes (one that doesn't have to be unlocked, and the player is told about it at the beginning of the game). You can't be mad there are QTEs in the sex scenes if you can disable them without any drawbacks.

This option can be combined with option 1. Change the mini-game to something easier and make it optional if you want.

Just some suggestions. I hope you guys figure out something that's really great. This game has a lot of potential.
Thanks a lot for the suggestions

We might found a solution, we'll make QTE easier making sound + slight gradient on screen edges and 1 button control(probably) + we'll add a button you press - daytime locks, stats lock and you can just enjoy the scene. So animations will have same rate when you pressed "lock" button, and if you press it again you can resume playing qte at the moment you stopped
 

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Thanks a lot for the suggestions

We might found a solution, we'll make QTE easier making sound + slight gradient on screen edges and 1 button control(probably) + we'll add a button you press - daytime locks, stats lock and you can just enjoy the scene. So animations will have same rate when you pressed "lock" button, and if you press it again you can resume playing qte at the moment you stopped
Sounds like it'll be an improvement over the current QTE system. I'm glad you guys are listening to your fans. I'll definitely be looking forward to future updates of this game. :)(y)
 
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El Duderino

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You imagine grinding in a too negative way, that MMORPG's shaped. In RPG games grinding is the only thing (apart from the storyline) that keeps players in game. Players create their goals then do challenge, then they get fair reward. You can think of any elder scrolls game, Minecraft, Diablo, Borderlands, even Witcher. In these games you start very weak, and then progress to become stronger. You get skills, cosmetics, weapons, armor for challenge. It'd be pointless to get it for free, players will have no goals and they won't stay in game after created something they wanted in 1-2 hours.
So we can assure you, in our game if you want to change Ashley's body, hairstyle, tattoos, get clothes, items, toys, houses, unlock new poses, skills and fetishes...
...you will have to GRIND...
...BUT, We will make it really FUN because it's a porn game, mostly you will grind doing sex, and by the time grind will become more easier and sex fetishes will become crazier.

Personally, I hate MMORPGs for their grind system I tried to play mmo with friends a lot and I got bored very fast... So i'm definitely not a fan of repetitive grinding... And I make this game because I want to play it myself also.

I didn't play adult constructor games much for the reason there's simply no goal. I can make a character I like in 30-40 minutes, after that I can watch some animations and that's all. That's why we use a loud slogan "New genre for adult games", we want to break this old trend.
For my personal taste it would not be fun at all if she looks that way. There could be other goals. Why is getting a plastic surgery propagated as desirable goal? And btw: I don't like silicone boobies. ;-)
And my Skyrim character looks great! Right from the start!
 

massoblivion

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For my personal taste it would not be fun at all if she looks that way. There could be other goals. Why is getting a plastic surgery propagated as desirable goal? And btw: I don't like silicone boobies. ;-)
And my Skyrim character looks great! Right from the start!
Yep, but we have NPC's Ashley can have sex with, so there will be much bigger boobies anyway. And silicon won't have any visual defects (We can call it even DNA modification).
Also you can edit skyrim character to have a lot muscles and there'll be no difference(in strength) to a character without any muscles (hopefully there're mods for that). It simply doesn't affect any stats and I think that creates much more questions, then what we are trying to do...
As we make a game where appearance affects gameplay, we can't give this tool for players at the start.

At least you can use artmoney or cheatengine to hack money, if you think that the current appearance is so terrible.
 
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since you guy using unreal, unreal have new plugins that support mods.
although i don't know how many people will care to make mods for this game, but well, if your coder is good enough to make a clean system for people to mods, i think that will be a good thing.

and i don't think the customization or your morph target , will be a good ideal for custom the char, it can break alot of thing and animation.
 

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Yep, but we have NPC's Ashley can have sex with, so there will be much bigger boobies anyway. And silicon won't have any visual defects (We can call it even DNA modification).
Also you can edit skyrim character to have a lot muscles and there'll be no difference(in strength) to a character without any muscles (hopefully there're mods for that). It simply doesn't affect any stats and I think that creates much more questions, then what we are trying to do...
As we make a game where appearance affects gameplay, we can't give this tool for players at the start.

At least you can use artmoney or cheatengine to hack money, if you think that the current appearance is so terrible.
I always thought GTA:SA had a highly underrated game mechanic. Where your character's appearance can change based on how you play and that has an affect on game play. CJ works out at the gym, he get muscular and his melee damage increases. CJ eats a lot of fast food, he gets fat and can't run as good. I wish more games did something like that, but usually your strength stat has nothing to do with your appearance. It looks like this game is going to be more interesting than I initially thought.

I don't know why some people are calling for the developer to put a character creator at the start of the game. If you're looking for a game that let's you create a character and then you watch her get fucked, there are a million games already out there that let you do that. The developer is actually trying to do something interesting and different.
 
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I don't get what I'm supposed to be doing. I got to the dorm and talked to everyone, slept, and the quest still says i need to rest away from this freak
+1.

The game says its Juicy version so it should be full game but we cant go to city and we cant complete even the Arrival quest... Maybe this is not real full version of Juicy... IDK
 
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Downloaded and played for about 2 hours and I've got some major notes, should the devs ever read them:

1) this is a very very VERY early build. There's literally nothing (that I could find) to do once you're past the 5-minute opening sequence. There's almost no content here. Again, super early build so this isn't necessarily a problem...yet. But there needs to be something. Essentially what you have here is basically a "showcase" with nothing to show. My first suggestion would be to put in any kind of interaction. 3 people with like 2 lines of dialogue each who never leave their rooms, doesn't count.

2) the devs have made some comments in here about keeping the QTE structure for the sex scenes. Let me tell you why this is bad:

a) QTE is, by nature, lazy game development and frankly, extremely annoying. QTE is not gameplay, it's punishment. "Perform random actions perfectly or fuck you." This is a sex game. We're all here for one thing and that's to have a great time (with ourselves). QTE's do not serve this purpose.

b) The majority of people playing this will be men, which means the majority of people playing this will be doing so one-handed. QTE's are complicated enough on their own, they're basically impossible while you're also rubbing one out. QTE's distract the player not only from the action on the screen, but also from the action off the screen. This is really REALLY bad when you consider what kind of game this is and what the players will be doing whilst playing it. QTE's will kill this game.

c) Though the majority of players will be men, there will also be women playing this game which means you also have to consider the fact that female masturbation is vastly more...lubricated...than the male counterpart's. So for women you have sticky fingers, trying to watch the game AND trying to perform the QTE. It's a disaster.

d) Lastly, having QTE's means taking the focus AWAY from the sex. Especially if the skills gain are tied directly to how well you complete the QTE. That means in a game about sex, nobody can afford to watch the sex, because if you do bad at the QTE, the sex is over. This leads to a catch-22 where in order to have sex, you gotta not look at it, but if you don't not look at it, you'll never have it. QTE's WILL be the downfall of this game and I desperately IMPLORE you to drop it now while the development is young. A game like this would function far better with a sex system similar to that of Koikatsu Party.

3) Character customization needs to be a thing. Currently it is not. This could be due to the early state of the game, but the devs need to seriously consider making it a top priority. Some people just want a pretty avatar, some want one they can relate to, and some want to make themselves. You need to give players these options or they'll move on to other games.

4) In relation to character customization, we also need personality customization. Some people are totally fine with the "shy girl" trait, but others might want a "bad bitch" or maybe someone who's just outgoing. The point here is people are either going to project themselves into the game, or play out a fantasy and right now there are zero options. We get shy Ashley and that's it.

5) The status effects mechanic is way too sensitive. Currently, Ashley pees 8x as often as a diabetic with one kidney and she eats twice as much too. These need a complete rebalance with the player only needing to use the bathroom and eat probably once an in-game day unless there's a good reason for more like intense sex or working out.

6) Finally, and this is a problem ALL sex games have, you have to give this game MORE than just sex. Personally, I find myself getting bored with sex games very quickly because one of two things ALWAYS happens. Either there's JUST sex, or the other gameplay elements are so shallow that I complete blow through whatever story there is in about an hour and now all that's left is...just sex... This is gonna sound completely backwards and maybe a little counterintuitive, but make the sex a SECONDARY mechanic instead of the PRIMARY one.

Think of it this way, when you're given access to cheats and god mode in other games, how long does that game stay fun until you're bored with it? Not very long. Once that high is over, you want to play something else. You have everything so what's the point?

We need to avoid that with this game (and ALL sex games moving forward). Once the player cums, what's to keep them playing? Women can go forever, but men have a refractory period. There needs to be something meaningful BESIDES sex to keep them from beating the meat and then quitting to desktop.

This game has potential, but it also has a lot of room for improvement. These points I've made aren't designed to discourage the devs, but rather inspire them to not be just another sex game, but to be THE sex game.
 

massoblivion

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Downloaded and played for about 2 hours and I've got some major notes, should the devs ever read them:

1) this is a very very VERY early build. There's literally nothing (that I could find) to do once you're past the 5-minute opening sequence. There's almost no content here. Again, super early build so this isn't necessarily a problem...yet. But there needs to be something. Essentially what you have here is basically a "showcase" with nothing to show. My first suggestion would be to put in any kind of interaction. 3 people with like 2 lines of dialogue each who never leave their rooms, doesn't count.

2) the devs have made some comments in here about keeping the QTE structure for the sex scenes. Let me tell you why this is bad:

a) QTE is, by nature, lazy game development and frankly, extremely annoying. QTE is not gameplay, it's punishment. "Perform random actions perfectly or fuck you." This is a sex game. We're all here for one thing and that's to have a great time (with ourselves). QTE's do not serve this purpose.

b) The majority of people playing this will be men, which means the majority of people playing this will be doing so one-handed. QTE's are complicated enough on their own, they're basically impossible while you're also rubbing one out. QTE's distract the player not only from the action on the screen, but also from the action off the screen. This is really REALLY bad when you consider what kind of game this is and what the players will be doing whilst playing it. QTE's will kill this game.

c) Though the majority of players will be men, there will also be women playing this game which means you also have to consider the fact that female masturbation is vastly more...lubricated...than the male counterpart's. So for women you have sticky fingers, trying to watch the game AND trying to perform the QTE. It's a disaster.

d) Lastly, having QTE's means taking the focus AWAY from the sex. Especially if the skills gain are tied directly to how well you complete the QTE. That means in a game about sex, nobody can afford to watch the sex, because if you do bad at the QTE, the sex is over. This leads to a catch-22 where in order to have sex, you gotta not look at it, but if you don't not look at it, you'll never have it. QTE's WILL be the downfall of this game and I desperately IMPLORE you to drop it now while the development is young. A game like this would function far better with a sex system similar to that of Koikatsu Party.

3) Character customization needs to be a thing. Currently it is not. This could be due to the early state of the game, but the devs need to seriously consider making it a top priority. Some people just want a pretty avatar, some want one they can relate to, and some want to make themselves. You need to give players these options or they'll move on to other games.

4) In relation to character customization, we also need personality customization. Some people are totally fine with the "shy girl" trait, but others might want a "bad bitch" or maybe someone who's just outgoing. The point here is people are either going to project themselves into the game, or play out a fantasy and right now there are zero options. We get shy Ashley and that's it.

5) The status effects mechanic is way too sensitive. Currently, Ashley pees 8x as often as a diabetic with one kidney and she eats twice as much too. These need a complete rebalance with the player only needing to use the bathroom and eat probably once an in-game day unless there's a good reason for more like intense sex or working out.

6) Finally, and this is a problem ALL sex games have, you have to give this game MORE than just sex. Personally, I find myself getting bored with sex games very quickly because one of two things ALWAYS happens. Either there's JUST sex, or the other gameplay elements are so shallow that I complete blow through whatever story there is in about an hour and now all that's left is...just sex... This is gonna sound completely backwards and maybe a little counterintuitive, but make the sex a SECONDARY mechanic instead of the PRIMARY one.

Think of it this way, when you're given access to cheats and god mode in other games, how long does that game stay fun until you're bored with it? Not very long. Once that high is over, you want to play something else. You have everything so what's the point?
Like the comment, but it becomes a bit irritating, because we already discussed everything you mentioned if you look older posts. So I'll try to make a fast reply:

1. True, but we have our own strong code foundation with a lot of possibilities. For example just look on how clothing works, in our game, top clothing dont intersect with lower ones. Have you seen it in a lot of games? Probably only kingdom come has it. We spend months doing unique features, characters, so you could see we created almost everything ourselves, and now we're adding content.

2. We will keep QTE, but it'll become easier, and you will be able to hide it without losing progress, then unhide and continue playing. Also next version we will have cinematic sex scenes without any qte.

3. We will have gameplay customization and other customization in a hospital. No start customization, and it also contradicts with your saying "Think of it this way, when you're given access to cheats and god mode in other games, how long does that game stay fun until you're bored with it? Not very long."

So you're a blacksmith and you have a blank character, you have to forge however you want. That's one of the biggest motivation for players, if we make "forging" fun

4. No, that's a storyline thing, also players will have motivation to keep her shy, or make her a slut.

5. Yep, sorry for that, we didn't balance it very well, because there are no consequences for needs yet

6. We will have storyline, jobs, sport, cooking, house buying, maybe even businesses so you could be playing this game doing other stuff, and masturbate every 2 game days, if you want.

We need to avoid that with this game (and ALL sex games moving forward). Once the player cums, what's to keep them playing? Women can go forever, but men have a refractory period. There needs to be something meaningful BESIDES sex to keep them from beating the meat and then quitting to desktop.
I like this message, because I was saying the exact same words a lot and it's actually the main point of this game. And it's actually a point of QTE, because you'll get bored after you fap, so this QTE thingy will be a fun challenge to earn money or make better relations with NPCs as it's a part of RPG system.
 
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Like the comment, but it becomes a bit irritating, because we already discussed everything you mentioned if you look older posts. So I'll try to make a fast reply:

1. True, but we have our own strong code foundation with a lot of possibilities. For example just look on how clothing works, in our game, top clothing dont intersect with lower ones. Have you seen it in a lot of games? Probably only kingdom come has it. We spend months doing unique features, characters, so you could see we created almost everything ourselves, and now we're adding content.

2. We will keep QTE, but it'll become easier, and you will be able to hide it without losing progress, then unhide and continue playing. Also next version we will have cinematic sex scenes without any qte.

3. We will have gameplay customization and other customization in a hospital. No start customization, and it also contradicts with your saying "Think of it this way, when you're given access to cheats and god mode in other games, how long does that game stay fun until you're bored with it? Not very long."

So you're a blacksmith and you have a blank character, you have to forge however you want. That's one of the biggest motivation for players, if we make "forging" fun

4. No, that's a storyline thing, also players will have motivation to keep her shy, or make her a slut.

5. Yep, sorry for that, we didn't balance it very well, because there are no consequences for needs yet

6. We will have storyline, jobs, sport, cooking, house buying, maybe even businesses so you could be playing this game doing other stuff, and masturbate every 2 game days, if you want.



I like this message, because I was saying the exact same words a lot and it's actually the main point of this game. And it's actually a point of QTE, because you'll get bored after you fap, so this QTE thingy will be a fun challenge to earn money or make better relations with NPCs as it's a part of RPG system.
Fiddled around with this game earlier, it looks amazing and has a very strong foundation. Love the work you've done so far and look forward to seeing further character customization and story plus activities added. Hard to find a playable, adult game. Any idea on the frequency that we can expect to see updates on? Might consider subscribing to your Patreon if there's noticeable development. Though, the Patreon doesn't seem to have much content, nor does the Twitter. Figured I'd ask you directly and hopefully get a clearer picture and get you some subs!
 

massoblivion

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Fiddled around with this game earlier, it looks amazing and has a very strong foundation. Love the work you've done so far and look forward to seeing further character customization and story plus activities added. Hard to find a playable, adult game. Any idea on the frequency that we can expect to see updates on? Might consider subscribing to your Patreon if there's noticeable development. Though, the Patreon doesn't seem to have much content, nor does the Twitter. Figured I'd ask you directly and hopefully get a clearer picture and get you some subs!
Thanks! We mostly discuss everything in discord:
 
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Sooo, *will* there be any controller support in the future? Not adept at using a keyboard other than typing. I'm reeeeeeally hoping so because of the pee mechanic. It would be nice to piss anywhere...
 

massoblivion

Creating Deluded
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Sooo, *will* there be any controller support in the future? Not adept at using a keyboard other than typing. I'm reeeeeeally hoping so because of the pee mechanic. It would be nice to piss anywhere...
Yep, but it will take time to make, because inventory is mouse-oriented
 
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