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PatreonTed

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Just wanted to leave some feedback. Not sure if it's against the rules or anything.
Is it better to post a review ?
Why are you leaving a review for a game whose style you don't like?


But I did get the impression that MC is pretty passive - there's definitely a reason for that.
Hard disagree, putting the sign on her back in the club disproves your theory, IMO
 
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Hard disagree, putting the sign on her back in the club disproves your theory, IMO
Ah, good point there too. And I imagine we might see Eric play more games like that in the future. Thing is just as Vi is escalating in her journey so too is Eric in his. Don't know what the guy expected, it'd be a new thing for Eric of course he's not exactly going to be pushing and playing with her super hard right out the gate.
 

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Why are you leaving a review for a game whose style you don't like?
Because I played it. Is it against the rules to have criticism ?
I dislike the story only, meanwhile I like the art style a lot - I think it's one of the best 2D art styles I've seen so far.
That's why I thought I'd leave my opinion as there's definitely a draw for this game even to people who aren't into NTx stuff.

Hard disagree, putting the sign on her back in the club disproves your theory, IMO
Went back to this scene, because of your comment.
Yes, MC is the one that puts the sticky on her, but the whole idea for it was hers in the first place.
It feels like an attempt to give the MC agency rather than actually doing it.
It's also not to say he's completely passive throughout the whole game, but there are definitely many scenes where he is.
By comparison most girls are the ones pushing the plot/action forward and teasing him etc, which makes it feel like MC is along for the ride. Honestly I'm not completely against it from a storytelling perspective, but when combined with the NTS stuff, it doesn't mesh well for me.
 
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How often are the updates? Two months between? Is the next one to be released in December?
It varies. Generally the time between updates have been increasing, however only some of this is attributed to increases in complexity/content. I think the general goal is 1-2 months, but this will also depend on story allocation for a given chapter. In the end this is also a creative endevour, so its not possible to give a cemented schedule.
 
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I think the story is going great. I hope the project continues. I can't wait for Vi and Maki to meet. Then the excitement will increase even more. But I don't think the next episode will be as high-tension as this episode.
 

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Will there be a second photo session with Vi in chapter 5 ?
No, he answered this on the discord after last chapter, there will be another photoshoot but it makes no sense for her to immediately get called in again, besides it'd be repetitive.
Not quite sure what's planned for Ch05. I don't think there has been much free-info in regards to the content unless I missed it. :)
We actually do know some of what is planned for chapter 5, again on the discord he mentioned after last chapter what the opening scene would be and he's given breadcrumbs about other scenes.

In general I say join the discord if you want any early info. But I will leave one little breadcrumb myself, CG posted a background in the discord a while back. A pool scene will be involved.
 

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In general I say join the discord if you want any early info. But I will leave one little breadcrumb myself, CG posted a background in the discord a while back. A pool scene will be involved.
having to DM the dev to get into discord is so annoying... i often sub for releases and then drop the sub after to support him, but having to message him every time is so annoying. i wish he would find a way to make that easier
 
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having to DM the dev to get into discord is so annoying... i often sub for releases and then drop the sub after to support him, but having to message him every time is so annoying. i wish he would find a way to make that easier
I'd argue sending a message isn't that big a hurdle personally. There is a way to link patreon subs with your discord server, I'm not sure the difficulty in setting that up retroactively is probably part of the issue (IE: it might instantly kick everyone off who is not linked for starters) and also I think CG frankly doesn't mind there being a small hurdle to joining.
 
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I'd argue sending a message isn't that big a hurdle personally. There is a way to link patreon subs with your discord server, I'm not sure the difficulty in setting that up retroactively is probably part of the issue (IE: it might instantly kick everyone off who is not linked for starters) and also I think CG frankly doesn't mind there being a small hurdle to joining.
having to DM the dev to get into discord is so annoying... i often sub for releases and then drop the sub after to support him, but having to message him every time is so annoying. i wish he would find a way to make that easier
He doesn't link the discord server to Patreon due to Patreon guidelines, this way he can share everything he and the community wants without worrying about Patreon checking the server and banning his page if they find out something that break their rules.
 

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Because I played it. Is it against the rules to have criticism ?
I dislike the story only, meanwhile I like the art style a lot - I think it's one of the best 2D art styles I've seen so far.
That's why I thought I'd leave my opinion as there's definitely a draw for this game even to people who aren't into NTx stuff.
I guess it depends if you're one of those people that leaves a poor review on a Mexican restaurant and includes the commentary "I don't like Mexican restaurants".
 

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I guess it depends if you're one of those people that leaves a poor review on a Mexican restaurant and includes the commentary "I don't like Mexican restaurants".
I feel like even beyond that his complaint is a little off base even ignoring genre. And I think the last chapter showed Eric has backbone, he just needs to grow into things more. I feel it'd be far less interesting if Eric had no growth of his own as well. But how one can watch the final sequence of last chapter and think Eric is stricly a passenger is a little wild to me.

Compared to most other NTS games on the site Eric actually has a lot of "maneuverability" as somebody pretty aptly said a couple pages back.
 

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He doesn't link the discord server to Patreon due to Patreon guidelines, this way he can share everything he and the community wants without worrying about Patreon checking the server and banning his page if they find out something that break their rules.
it's still annoying, but that's a pretty good reason, good to know
 
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Long, but really interesting post.
Cool preface... sorry, I am of a long wind, I suppose.

IMHO the MC is not a sadistic boyfriend but a man with a fantasy.
No, he isn't sadistic as in hateful, vindictive of the sense I mean here (though certainly sadistic, the sexual preference, in enjoying dishing pain and being submitted to etc.). But I disagree, kind of, on him having a fantasy, I think it's more he's developing it, partially under influence, both direct (active encouragement) and indirect (he's sensing tendencies in his girl, and he's somehow enjoying them).

I think every man in his life had or have the fantasy to see his fiancee or wife taking a stranger cock.
Who likes to expose her wife or gf has this kink, too.
Well, I don't know about that...

I don't agree that her having ANY previous experience is NTR either way
No, not either way. But that felt like something threatening, and I think even was written with a hint of it I think. Young person, early GF, hard in love ("the one" type stuff) and then the creeping "have they said/done/felt this before?". It's a common enough issue in relationships and across genders. It is not NTR, to be sure. But in the wider sense we've come to use the term to denote the fetishization of these types of insecurities/suspicions involving the love-interest enjoying/preferring others.... like, I'm saying if they add a bit more in that direction, including the feel of rising doubts and nightmarish discoveries, and you're immmersed enough, you might get that stomache-turning feeling which some NTR-tropes are all about.

But yea, Vi definitely is the primary instigator but not only does Eric love it, but she pushes him to punish her because she wants him to be a part of the whole cycle and not just a spectator to it.
I would go so far as to say, if we liberate our perspective from the expectation/bias of knowing the genre, this VN could be seen as a rather straightforward corruption story. And MC is the one being corrupted.

I don't think all sadism = losing respect though, BDSM involves sadism but the sadist can still love the masochist. From what I've gleaned from past conversations months ago there will be some growing sadism on Eric's part, but I don't think any of that will be sadism outside of the bedroom. In other words, it would be sadism connected to kink, not sadism connected to any actual change in how he sees Vi.
Surely I meant these not as synonyms but different scenarios. So, yes, what I mean is that he isn't just a dom kinkster (yet), nor a more extreme just-a-dom that doesn't do GF/BF stuff really, and certainly not the more mainstream meaning of antisocial etc. where she's just a victim.

I agree, they are having him discover his enjoyment of gagging, slapping, etc. Part of the brilliance here, it takes you back to when you discovered this stuff.

wait Is that what I'm liking here?
Is this just a coming-of-age, nostalgia trip and our favourite filthy smut turns out to be wholesome?
... there shrinks the id:confused:
 
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