Swiver

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But every white girl also had some event with a white presenting dude too, and those events are most of the content by your own scientific method...So what's your point? Melanin heavy people shouldn't have less content? How much? What's the ratio for a cartoon game to not threaten your patronage?
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long for the day when "intermixing" is more normal than lowkey bringing apartheid back / people should only copulate with those that look like their cousins.
I see the BBC debate has flared up again.

It's been said many times that BBC isn't the main theme of the game, just one of many. But the discussion keeps coming up again and again, like a broken record.

I think I understand why this happens. Many people like the game and are afraid it might turn into a cliched BBC plot. However, personally I don't see any reason for concern. I'm sure the author won't copy tired stereotypes.

I'm not a BBC fan myself, and here's why:
In almost all NTR/NTS games where I've seen black characters, they seem to be made at the same factory - huge, unnaturally muscular, with rough faces and, of course, the obligatory "giant package".

The plot methods are equally predictable: deception, coercion, framing, betrayal, violence, blackmail, drugs... When you see the same thing over and over, it inevitably becomes irritating.

Recently I played an NTR game where the MC had a black friend. At first he seemed like a good guy, but as soon as an opportunity arose, he immediately started blackmailing the MC into letting him sleep with his wife. At that moment I mentally sighed: "Here we go again..."

When I first played MNG and saw the neighbor introduction scene (when his face took up almost the whole screen), my first thought was: "Oh, you here too? Did you move here from another game specifically to annoy me again?"

But the recent updates convinced me that the author isn't planning to make a cliched BBC story.
The new neighbors are just normal people: the father works at a club, the sons are athletes. No criminal activity, no violence, no blackmail or spiked drinks. They're just a family with... peculiar interests who offer: "Want to have fun together?", but don't force anyone.

That's exactly why BBC in MNG doesn't put me off. What's more, in my opinion, the very fact that the game features black characters who are just regular people (no drug dealers, no criminals, no typical NTR villains) already makes it worthy of the 'NTS Game of the Year' title.
Beyond any one game I think the BBC issue is quite important for everyone in general if taken seriously. Some things being said are interesting but it gets messy because it's in the context of discussing this or that game AND because what a given opinion and where it's coming from are different things, so it's confusing. Someone saying for example I hate BBC stuff could be saying it because they're a racist, because they're fed-up with how often it appears, maybe they get triggered by NTR which has come to be associated with it, or perhaps they find the fetishization of race racist. And of course some commenters could argue based on false grounds, like pseudo-marketing bullshit, they could even believe it.

Devs on the other hand mainly draw their stuff from entertainment culture which includes explicit pornography as well as films, music clips and nowadays social media thirst trap stuff and they try to cater to our requests. To what degree and based on what devs should be praised or criticised varies depending on their awareness and ability to hear. The level of seriousness dev or commenter takes everything with may matter or may be irrelevant.

It is easy to recognise accusations of propagating BBC stuff as having potential racist undertones, though it could easily be an anrgy fan reducing a game to the feature they hate in it because they can't ignore it (this can be trolling, depending). I also see no problem discussing about or with a dev I like, like aDDont or indeed Circle and Symbiotic to what extent their depiction of BBC does share in a culture of fetishizing race and othering black men (and hope they don't mind). This is a far cry from comparing them to this racist piece of shit which is designed to offend. I can believe Addont when he says he just likes the skin colour contrast and respect that that's the extent of seriousness he considers his game to have as regards this issue (which is rather fair). I understand most devs are only part of a proliferating trend. I know they hardly invented a fetish and are probably not doing anything intentionally. They may actually be trying to do something positive like recontextualizing black people in a suburban environment instead of the ghetto from pre-Blacked.com porn (this is integration, which I actually don't like, but it's the mainstream reform trend so you can't accuse a single application of it alone).

From there we can also critique and compare representations. So, for example, I can say the friendly gym dude in SoA , though still constituting stereotyping, othering etc., is a better image than misogynistic business men and incestuous neighbors. I also observe that the business bros from Mila are the most in-line with the trendiest representation of the decade (black.com types) and the one here in MNG is the most off-beat. Another point of interest I am growing to wonder about is attempts to represent black girls, am I right they are surprisingly often un-stereotyped, identical in body, facial features and even character to white girls minus the melanin?
 
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alxalx

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This is 100% not a full interracial game. If mngf has 30 scenes total then out of 30 , 10 scenes will be interracial and the remaining will be vanilla. And there will be no interracial scene next chapter .imo
 
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alxalx

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Im stil waiting for Anya action. Next chapter eric anya shopping or dating so i guess anya tries different pieces of clothing ,lingerie in front of eric. Hope we get update this week
 

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My bad, i had not seen that one I only replied based on the comment posted later
Hmm, maybe that too, but it wasn't the body that caught my attention at first glance. Her face changed noticeably.

Anyway, I was expecting this to happen. It's the disadvantages of not making the images themselves and using AI. They can't maintain the same consistency in some places. Still shame tho. When there is such a long time between updates, people(and I) expect something better than this.
 

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This is 100% not a full interracial game. If mngf has 30 scenes total then out of 30 , 10 scenes will be interracial and the remaining will be vanilla. And there will be no interracial scene next chapter .imo
The options between types of scenes isn't just interracial vs vanilla. There is plenty of scenes that can happen that are non interracial non vanilla. Though I realize peoples interpretations of the word "vanilla" vary wildly.

Is NTS vanilla just because white guys are involved? Is a BDSM stepcest scene vanilla? An extremely rough reclaim? Perhaps you see my point, but someone might find something vanilla that others dont, but the game is certainly not vanilla to a primarily vanilla audience, if that makes sense.
 
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angel__666

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But MilaAI has a female main character. For netorase stories, I, for example, prefer when the main character is male.
I agree.. For NTS and NTR plots, I rather have all the stuff coming to male MC (either him directly involved in nts or corruption, or getting stuff somehow while the female acts behind his back).
 
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Beyond any one game I think the BBC issue is quite important for everyone in general if taken seriously. Some things being said are interesting but it gets messy because it's in the context of discussing this or that game AND because what a given opinion and where it's coming from are different things, so it's confusing. Someone saying for example I hate BBC stuff could be saying it because they're a racist, because they're fed-up with how often it appears, maybe they get triggered by NTR which has come to be associated with it, or perhaps they find the fetishization of race racist. And of course some commenters could argue based on false grounds, like pseudo-marketing bullshit, they could even believe it.

Devs on the other hand mainly draw their stuff from entertainment culture which includes explicit pornography as well as films, music clips and nowadays social media thirst trap stuff and they try to cater to our requests. To what degree and based on what devs should be praised or criticised varies depending on their awareness and ability to hear. The level of seriousness dev or commenter takes everything with may matter or may be irrelevant.

It is easy to recognise accusations of propagating BBC stuff as having potential racist undertones, though it could easily be an anrgy fan reducing a game to the feature they hate in it because they can't ignore it (this can be trolling, depending). I also see no problem discussing about or with a dev I like, like aDDont or indeed Circle and Symbiotic to what extent their depiction of BBC does share in a culture of fetishizing race and othering black men (and hope they don't mind). This is a far cry from comparing them to this racist piece of shit which is designed to offend. I can believe Addont when he says he just likes the skin colour contrast and respect that that's the extent of seriousness he considers his game to have as regards this issue (which is rather fair). I understand most devs are only part of a proliferating trend. I know they hardly invented a fetish and are probably not doing anything intentionally. They may actually be trying to do something positive like recontextualizing black people in a suburban environment instead of the ghetto from pre-Blacked.com porn (this is integration, which I actually don't like, but it's the mainstream reform trend so you can't accuse a single application of it alone).

From there we can also critique and compare representations. So, for example, I can say the friendly gym dude in SoA , though still constituting stereotyping, othering etc., is a better image than misogynistic business men and incestuous neighbors. I also observe that the business bros from Mila are the most in-line with the trendiest representation of the decade (black.com types) and the one here in MNG is the most off-beat. Another point of interest I am growing to wonder about is attempts to represent black girls, am I right they are surprisingly often un-stereotyped, identical in body, facial features and even character to white girls minus the melanin?
There isn't much to say about it without sounding like an asshole. You either like it or don't. I don't really like ntr just being black guy endgame either. It's over done.
 

SyracuseMTG

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Does anyone know if the dev is going to actually keep this a kinetic novel or if there will actually be choices? I know he stated its a "kinetic novel for now" but feeling forced into types of NTS or NTR makes the game feel...idk how to put it, rather shitty for lack of a better term. Don't get me wrong I did enjoy the story so far to a certain extent, but, just like with shadows, I feel most of us would like to pick and choose what we want to experience in the game through the story. I'm constantly comparing this to my true desires and moonripple lake which I feel did a better job giving the player the experience they wanted. If you feel differently that's fine, not looking for a debate, I know how some people can get about it, just again curious as to if anyone knows if the dev is going to be moving away from the kinetic novel aspect of limited to no choices and expanding player options?
 

AndL78

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Does anyone know if the dev is going to actually keep this a kinetic novel or if there will actually be choices? I know he stated its a "kinetic novel for now" but feeling forced into types of NTS or NTR makes the game feel...idk how to put it, rather shitty for lack of a better term. Don't get me wrong I did enjoy the story so far to a certain extent, but, just like with shadows, I feel most of us would like to pick and choose what we want to experience in the game through the story. I'm constantly comparing this to my true desires and moonripple lake which I feel did a better job giving the player the experience they wanted. If you feel differently that's fine, not looking for a debate, I know how some people can get about it, just again curious as to if anyone knows if the dev is going to be moving away from the kinetic novel aspect of limited to no choices and expanding player options?
It's better not to, the developer has been working in the mode of 1 scene per month for the last six months and that breaks off at the end of the update and they forget about it in the next update (in the best case, they finish with 1-2 frames). And imagine if they need to make variability? (then there will be 1 game scene in 2 months) The development of events here is already lame + dev is planning a new character (even though there is nothing with the old ones, but he needs to milk it without making the game).
There is no point in hoping for the development of this project anymore.
So you need to hope that at least in the form of a novella it will be brought to some kind of ending!
 
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It's better not to, the developer has been working in the mode of 1 scene per month for the last six months and that breaks off at the end of the update and they forget about it in the next update (in the best case, they finish with 1-2 frames). And imagine if they need to make variability? (then there will be 1 game scene in 2 months) The development of events here is already lame + dev is planning a new character (even though there is nothing with the old ones, but he needs to milk it without making the game).
There is no point in hoping for the development of this project anymore.
So you need to hope that at least in the form of a novella it will be brought to some kind of ending!
He is a director and, most importantly, he is an artist. I realize that you don't understand his extraordinary vision. Money doesn't matter to him. He just wants to make art. There are very few things in the world worth waiting so long for...
 

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Does anyone know if the dev is going to actually keep this a kinetic novel or if there will actually be choices? I know he stated its a "kinetic novel for now" but feeling forced into types of NTS or NTR makes the game feel...idk how to put it, rather shitty for lack of a better term. Don't get me wrong I did enjoy the story so far to a certain extent, but, just like with shadows, I feel most of us would like to pick and choose what we want to experience in the game through the story. I'm constantly comparing this to my true desires and moonripple lake which I feel did a better job giving the player the experience they wanted. If you feel differently that's fine, not looking for a debate, I know how some people can get about it, just again curious as to if anyone knows if the dev is going to be moving away from the kinetic novel aspect of limited to no choices and expanding player options?
I feel like these kind of posts miss the point. It's not like 'Yeah I'm making gonna make choices just wait while I make do it like a kinetic novel at first'. It is a kinetic at the premise. There's never been a discussion about choices other than 'Yeah I could hide this part for some of you', but asking the project that's ALL ABOUT an NTS story to then disregard that and do something else is pointless. You might as well start making your own AI-powered fantasy story.
 

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I feel like these kind of posts miss the point. It's not like 'Yeah I'm making gonna make choices just wait while I make do it like a kinetic novel at first'. It is a kinetic at the premise. There's never been a discussion about choices other than 'Yeah I could hide this part for some of you', but asking the project that's ALL ABOUT an NTS story to then disregard that and do something else is pointless. You might as well start making your own AI-powered fantasy story.
In my own opinion as a dev, I can only share my internal thought process on this.

- 90% of the games/novels that come out get abandoned eventually. That's just a fact. There's a lot of reasons for this, but the main one is the dev losing his/her vision because he/she is trying to accommodate to every single person out there.

- Choices are a very powerful thing, being able to alter to story to your personal liking is something only a few devs out there can pull off. I'm talking about meaningful choices, not talking about choices to avoid certain types of content. While to some, that may classify as being able to alter the story to your liking, in essence, it does go against the vision of the developer. If his/her game is focused around NTS/Sharing/Swinging, then what's the point of including choices to avoid that? Yes, you would reach a wider audience, but it would also mean spreading yourself so thin. Constantly having to think about every scene that you make in more ways than just one. As you then have to consider how to build the scene in a way that people who don't want to see that scene, still feel engaged to the story.

- In my opinion, the best dev's are the one who were able to start a passion project and finish it. While their initial project wasn't something to blow you out of the water, it did show promise and consistency. The following games from those devs then get wider in scope and are able to please a wider audience. (Dr. Pinkcake, Caribdis, Remtairy as some examples).

TLDR; While I do agree that choices are a great thing to have in a visual novel, there's always a flip-side. Allow dev's to finish their vision, without trying to force yours. There's always games out their that cater to your own personal view, however they might not have the same visual quality or storytelling as this game and that's the main reason. A good story and good visuals get the attention of people, sometimes so much so, that every other game just doesn't scratch that itch, even when it doesn't cater to your sexual preferences. Which is the reason why so many people ask for different routes/choices. It's a tough spot to be in, but you should never ever blame the developer. He/She is not making that choice, because they don't respect your opinion, but rather, they want to be able to provide their vision and hard work, without overcomplicating things.

Sidenote: This isn't a direct response to your message, but rather, just me wanting to share my own opinion as I do agree with you on many points.

My New Girlfriend is a great example of good storytelling with incredible visuals.
 

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What is a bit frustrating in the meanwhile is that there is nearly no communication related to the game progress etc. either in Patreon nor here in this Forum...
You said the exact same thing like 2 weeks ago and I pointed out that a development blog was posted very recently then. I also told you that communication on Patreon and Discord is very much a thing.

Here's the last one posted on F95 (again):
https://f95zone.to/threads/my-new-girlfriend-after-party-v2-circlegames.207440/post-17744293

There's pretty much all the info you're asking for and I don't think it's changed.
 
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