RPGM Completed Nebel Geisterjäger [v1.2] [BBQ Lover]

[S3vatari0n]

she is actually pretty useless lol (at least when she fights with me). Even reading the manual, I don't get how the combat system works, sometimes I do zero damage to enemies. Kana's attacks don't do anything and she doesn't have magic attacks.

Some enemies take 0 physical damage and some take 0 magical damage, you have to guess which one is which, but generally for anything that doesn't look like a "spirit/abomination" (so like rats, bats, dogs, zombies, "macho-men", etc.) use physical TP attacks, and for everything else Kana's useless. Kana can't do Magical damage, but she's a physical powerhouse.

But when she's on her own, all that doesn't matter, only the exorcism level and how "Strong" the enemy is (is it a red ghost).

Though, going off my playthrough, trying to use the spy cams is a scam. I only ever got the same 3 scenes out of dozens of times I caught them. So it was NOT worth the wasted time constantly waiting in the monitor room.
Then again, I only ever kept getting the same few basic scenes in the night time too, so meh.

There's an invisible stat called "Atmosphere", which resets to 1/3 of Kana's submission stat every day. That number controls what scenes you can see in spy cams and some events in the evening (although that one is more based on how much RNGesus loves your effort in rebuilding the town's population).

At low submission, you're going to see the same groping scenes a. lot.
Kissing scenes generally start around 150-ish atmosphere, blowjobs around 300, thigh sex around there, too... I think actual sex begins at 400 atmosphere, and anal happens at I think 900+

For the evening scenes, clear the night exorcisms and help the townies with their requests by finding their missing items so they can unlock new places for Kana to be a slut in.

 

[p23rklo]

Was not expecting the game to be one that is extremely complex (magic system, combat, etc), tedious (it's everyone's favorite aspect of gaming ESCORT MISSIONS), and overly vague (like without looking at a guide how can one know to prevent NTR or some shit, like the twitter in game version even shows scenes happening yet according to in game stats no H scene happened yet. What?) The girl is also extremely needy, like oh you did not talk to me this day, time go fck the random supervisor that we just met. There is no buildup of corruption, the girl insta goes imma have H scenes with this guy just because the protagonist failed to tend to her every need (I know that's a common aspect of NTR games, but this one is just poor implementation and tedious at best). I like the game and it's concept but it's hard to play without a guide (I know there is a guide posted in this forum). Exploring the dungeon is extremely tedious as with every dungeon you need to fill the area with cameras and keep calling the girl in order to keep up with her. You also need to keep killing mobs (the worst part is you don't know where she is most of the time) in order for her to get to the end safely (if you plan on pure/no NTR route). The bandages are also extremely expensive (800 for 1, while salary is 1000 per day..)

When I downloaded this game I thought this was just a fun H rpg like all the others, boy was I wrong. Time to read a 200 mb, 34 pages guide. Great game design lol.

Anyways was the guide made by Saikey Studios (unofficial translator) or was it made by the developer but translated to english by Saikey also? It looks extremely detailed to be simply made by a 3rd party unofficial fan translation.

Edit: The game is well made with unique ideas and gameplay concepts, even employed an official translator with a good track record [Saikey] (I only encountered one untranslated line, but that was just because I bugged out my submission points by talking to fairy, 96-99% of the game is properly translated) I really would like to love this game but the gameplay mechanics are just extremely anti-player/unfun. Whether you're prioritizing to get H scenes (there is a lot of roadblocks, and random event shit) or trying to get a pure run (where every mechanics in the game is out to fck you up from achieving that). The game has a very detailed and well made guide (official guide) but that just shows how complex the game is and how every gameplay element will require some time to learn/get used to. The developer's ambitions got to the best of them (making the H game overly complex and tedious/unfun). Hope they simplify things in their next game. There must be a certain balance between gameplay complexity/uniqueness specially when it comes to H games (there are many Generic CG collecting H games, but going in the opposite direction and making a very complex game that borders on unfun mechanics is not the right way)

 

[Nutting The Rueful]

Saikey is the official translator and guide provider for this game

Was not expecting the game to be one that is extremely complex (magic system, combat, etc), tedious (it's everyone's favorite aspect of gaming ESCORT MISSIONS), and overly vague (like without looking at a guide how can one know to prevent NTR or some shit, like the twitter in game version even shows scenes happening yet according to in game stats no H scene happened yet. What?) The girl is also extremely needy, like oh you did not talk to me this day, time go fck the random supervisor that we just met. There is no buildup of corruption, the girl insta goes imma have H scenes with this guy just because the protagonist failed to tend to her every need (I know that's a common aspect of NTR games, but this one is just poor implementation and tedious at best). I like the game and it's concept but it's hard to play without a guide (I know there is a guide posted in this forum). Exploring the dungeon is extremely tedious as with every dungeon you need to fill the area with cameras and keep calling the girl in order to keep up with her. You also need to keep killing mobs (the worst part is you don't know where she is most of the time) in order for her to get to the end safely (if you plan on pure/no NTR route). The bandages are also extremely expensive (800 for 1, while salary is 1000 per day..)

When I downloaded this game I thought this was just a fun H rpg like all the others, boy was I wrong. Time to read a 200 mb, 34 pages guide. Great game design lol.

Anyways was the guide made by Saikey Studios (unofficial translator) or was it made by the developer but translated to english by Saikey also? It looks extremely detailed to be simply made by a 3rd party unofficial fan translation.

Saikey's Studio is the official translator and guide provider of this game. They did back and forth with Dev, BBQ, but some things are...leftover? I'm getting funny vibes of this game from BBQ as to how they went about this game. "Good CG, bad gameplay" kinda vibe, it has not reach there in this game but just feels like it xD

saikey just edit the MTL, he not trans anything, dude. and i like to support the dev, but this game make me wasted so much time just for nothing.

Even if it is edited mtl.. it is translations just the method is different. "How do you translate this?"
A) "Using my head"
B) "Using my computer then I edited to make more sense"
which one is better? depends on the experience/proficiency of the translator to which we can observe based on previous works.

 

[_Grotest_]

she is actually pretty useless lol (at least when she fights with me). Even reading the manual, I don't get how the combat system works, sometimes I do zero damage to enemies. Kana's attacks don't do anything and she doesn't have magic attacks.

Kana is not particularly useless but she rather a useful addition to Mcs attacks.
In order to bypass physical resistance you have to use skills that fill TP bar since it allows you to ignore resistance.
Raising Kana's power is not hard since you have card merger. I rather find Mcs powering a bit tedious since his gem's stats are more RNG when Kanas cards stats are always linked to their types.
Seals/catalyst is honestly a really tedious and annoying battle mechanic. I simply ignore it by building Mcs magic attack and MP to one shot everything with Aoe skill.

 

[DreamDestiny]

bytheway you can restart the game in ng+ which you have alot of control.. you can let kanna get to 1200 and then you will be alone to fight the last mansion then over there you just keep dying each time you die you gain 2 level it doenst end untill you clear the mansion lol after that you get the final ending when kana having a gang party with 2 black guy in the final video she sent to you.. then you can restart the whole game again keep all the level and exp and all other stuff if you want to change or not..

 

[S3vatari0n]

Was not expecting the game to be one that is extremely complex (magic system, combat, etc), tedious (it's everyone's favorite aspect of gaming ESCORT MISSIONS), and overly vague (like without looking at a guide how can one know to prevent NTR or some shit, like the twitter in game version even shows scenes happening yet according to in game stats no H scene happened yet. What?) The girl is also extremely needy, like oh you did not talk to me this day, time go fck the random supervisor that we just met. There is no buildup of corruption, the girl insta goes imma have H scenes with this guy just because the protagonist failed to tend to her every need (I know that's a common aspect of NTR games, but this one is just poor implementation and tedious at best).

Interestingly, when I was playing blind like it was a normal RPG, this part (bolded by me) didn't happen. It took over 3 months in game for her to get past basic grope victim status and have her first kiss (from the MC, too.). It took another month after that for her to lose her virginity, and I wasn't even monitoring her like a crazy stalker either.

That said, I definitely agree that the game needs at least some more guidance on how to progress.

 

[Garganiaz]

i dont get how people find the battle mechanic to be any difficult at all,

if its ghost = do magic or raise TP then normal hit/skill.
if its not ghost or have a body (zombie or animals) = normal hit.
it so simple.

if you can kill the black(gray) and blue ghost easly, then you dont have to be scared of the purple and red. and then
if in the first turn your damage are not enough to make a kill, just use flee. and make better preparation (crafting gear)

you dont even need to level grinding your character for the most part (getting day time/night time cgs).
please do make better question and ask, instead of calling it difficult. come on

if you want to jump right to hoarding cgs, just unequip all kana's gear and block any first door lead to the next room and sit still at monitoring room.
( i dont recommend getting the true ending for the first timer that having difficulties understanding the game )
by doing so youll raise her submission points and atmosphere point which lead to possibilities also getting cgs at the night time (19.00 - 21.xx).

doing the night time exorcism = increase population = open new place = more cgs

Advancing relationship with kana = take all the chances to date her everyday and dont miss or late / call her at least once whenever heart rate is red / keep updating her gears to survive dungeon so lawrence cant get on his way with her

Advancing NTR = just avoid contacting kana all the time

 

[semper_solus]

you dont even need to level grinding your character for the most part (getting day time/night time cgs).
please do make better question and ask, instead of calling it difficult. come on

Its not to some peoples tastes, and I get that.

I enjoy this game because of the amount of agency I have as the MC. But it was still challenging enough to make me feel as though I had to work for the Pure Love ending. I want more games like this. Sure, maybe not as grindy... but then again, I dont mind grind games.

 

[Ion.TemUS]

Interestingly, when I was playing blind like it was a normal RPG, this part (bolded by me) didn't happen. It took over 3 months in game for her to get past basic grope victim status and have her first kiss (from the MC, too.). It took another month after that for her to lose her virginity, and I wasn't even monitoring her like a crazy stalker either.

That said, I definitely agree that the game needs at least some more guidance on how to progress.

This SHOULD technically be true. If you consistently interrupt Lawrence in daytime and ensure Kana gets through the dungeon without loosing health too much, Lawrence/supervisor-san can only grope her a few times, submission rises very slowly. As for afternoon/nighttime activities, they only happen if you witness them together. Meaning, you missing your dates does only mean that your favoritism/relationship-stat with Kana goes DOWN. What triggers the scenes (if I understood that correctly) is that you see kana and Lawrence in a place or she calls you over the phone or something similar, and you do not act on it or don't find her in time, at least the guide says as much.

(Still not sure if this is 100% true tho, if actually NOTHING happens or if the guide just meant to say that you will not SEE what happens (in dream world) if you dont find them).

 

[semper_solus]

(Still not sure if this is 100% true tho, if actually NOTHING happens or if the guide just meant to say that you will not SEE what happens (in dream world) if you dont find them).

The way it has worked for me, for all the times I've played and put into it is this:

During the day - if you catch them and stop them with the cameras, Submission doesn't go up at all.

During the evening - Kana and Lawrence have a chance to interact... if they do, and you don't stop it by X:30, an event will trigger. No matter what, this event will unlock in the Recollection Room. However, certain events you cannot see, and those will be shown in the Dream.

 

[Leona16]

Does anyone have a save with all the cameras?

 

[onimer]

Lawrence/supervisor-san can only grope her a few times, submission rises very slowly. As for afternoon/nighttime activities, they only happen if you witness them together. Meaning, you missing your dates does only mean that your favoritism/relationship-stat with Kana goes DOWN. What triggers the scenes (if I understood that correctly) is that you see kana and Lawrence in a place or she calls you over the phone or something similar, and you do not act on it or don't find her in time, at least the guide says as much.

You misunderstood it a bit. The scenes "happen" whether you see them together or not, whether Kana calls or not, with the accompanying Submission and Atmosphere gains and body changes to Kana (loss of virginity, semen). But most of them only get added to the recollection room if you see them together. There are very few instances where your affection goes down, mostly during dates where you don't have enough money.

 

[SusBK]

This game makes me think about existence and the weird workings of my own dubious brain. The fact I unironically played it for a whole day and I'm still going.

This game is enjoyable if you have the patience to get strong enough to the point the rpg becomes a sandbox (New Game Plus). Took me 9 hours to get there with easy difficulty. I overshot a bit to the point the final boss was trivial so maybe you can cut that to 8 hours of grind or 7, I also got distracted with porn pursuits occasionally so you can probably be more efficient about it. Forget the whole alchemy crap just use fire and frost and give yourself infinite mana, buffs and double turns. For the girl just give her Tarot cards. I had attack damage focused Death and Justice cards. (Double Death is probably best but you make do with what you get.) Guide says Death is -20% def but that might be broke cus the game doesn't say minus 20%. Just flat 20%. (If this is true then Death tarots are just broken strong with no downside.)

To be fair. I could've just ignored the story (True Ending) and focus on the NTR but under that same logic you can just unlock the gallery and watch everything (not as fun). I'm here to play a game, right?

This game would be a whole lot more fun if the dev didn't pad it with a grindy rpg. (Duh)

Maybe dev has a poor concept of time. Maybe Japs just grind too hard all day. Playing this on easy mode barely does anything to fasten the phase and the game tries to goad you into not using it.

TLDR; IF you don't cheat, the first 8 hours of this game consists of setting it up to be an enjoyable sandbox through the sweat of your grind. (I personally enjoy setup phases in games, but that's me.)

 

[Ion.TemUS]

You misunderstood it a bit. The scenes "happen" whether you see them together or not, whether Kana calls or not, with the accompanying Submission and Atmosphere gains and body changes to Kana (loss of virginity, semen). But most of them only get added to the recollection room if you see them together. There are very few instances where your affection goes down, mostly during dates where you don't have enough money.

I guess I did misunderstand then.
That's why I was unsure.

Doesn't really make the game any better. Its pretty stupid the game basically forces you to do Netorase instead of hidden NTR.

 

[onimer]

I guess I did misunderstand then.
That's why I was unsure.

Doesn't really make the game any better. Its pretty stupid the game basically forces you to do Netorase instead of hidden NTR.

I mean, the alternative is that the NTR happens no matter what the player does. That's not acceptable to a lot of players either. As it stands, a player who doesn't grasp the mechanics quickly enough will have Kana stolen from them, especially due to how corruption snowballs.

 

[SusBK]

I mean, the alternative is that the NTR happens no matter what the player does. That's not acceptable to a lot of players either. As it stands, a player who doesn't grasp the mechanics quickly enough will have Kana stolen from them, especially due to how corruption snowballs.

You could argue that you having to be ultra careful about kana would fit in an NTR based game. It's true that the way this game works you're basically pimping her to LAWLrence if you wanna see any porn.

 

[The killing Goku]

There's an invisible stat called "Atmosphere", which resets to 1/3 of Kana's submission stat every day. That number controls what scenes you can see in spy cams and some events in the evening (although that one is more based on how much RNGesus loves your effort in rebuilding the town's population).

At low submission, you're going to see the same groping scenes a. lot.
Kissing scenes generally start around 150-ish atmosphere, blowjobs around 300, thigh sex around there, too... I think actual sex begins at 400 atmosphere, and anal happens at I think 900+

For the evening scenes, clear the night exorcisms and help the townies with their requests by finding their missing items so they can unlock new places for Kana to be a slut in.

I get that and did all of that.

I wasted over 15 hours or something like that and still apparently didn't 'get' enough of that atmosphere to see any other events on the cameras other than the groping stuff (3 scenes).
As such, I barely got to sell any videos to the adult store, which in turn didn't allow me to unlock the other adult store (according to the guide, I'd need to sell 7 vids for that, but heck ... only UNIQUE events count as sellable).
Nor did I unlock any of the purchasable vids.

Also, aside from the first few days, I totally tried all I could to ignore the girl over & over again and even try to force harassment events using that 'choose your event' NPC. Reloading if nothing happened, trying to force another event and stuff like that.
There's got to be a limit to how disrespecting of my time a game DEV can be.

As for the night time events, same deal. No longer a virgin, but barely any unique events unlocked at all.
All the RNG and the same thing over and over again.

Anyway, I feel like I've done enough complaining ... I just gave up on trying to unlock anything proper, killed the final boss, unlocked the gallery via the dream world.
The 'official' gallery unlock didn't unlock the endings, so I was like 'F this' & cheated open the whole friggin' gallery.
I saw the true ending, didn't get any context for it and I just don't care anymore. The rest of the game has used up my goodwill on that.

Before the cheat unlock, my gallery was a desert wasteland, barely anything to see. After so many friggin' hours.
Having the gallery unlocked also makes me feel the number of CG's ain't that high, as many of the scenes re-use a single base CG.
Looks like a huge gallery at first, but actually isn't.

 

[Ion.TemUS]

I mean, the alternative is that the NTR happens no matter what the player does. That's not acceptable to a lot of players either. As it stands, a player who doesn't grasp the mechanics quickly enough will have Kana stolen from them, especially due to how corruption snowballs.

Nono, what I mean is the game's mechanics basically make it impossible to be the "I didn't know it was happening" MC and at the same time see the scenes. That is what I mean. I mean sure the NTR happens if you see them together or not, but since the mechanics make you unable to see the scenes in the dream-world if you do not see them together, the game's mechanics basically either lead you to play the game without ever seeing any scene (no satisfaction, no matter who's shoes you are putting yourself into) or to actively see Lawrence with Kana and be like "yea I should not bother them" or "I want them to do it", which is Netorase territory.

 

[darkmantis2]

Where can I get the vip ticket?

 

[p23rklo]

Interestingly, when I was playing blind like it was a normal RPG, this part (bolded by me) didn't happen. It took over 3 months in game for her to get past basic grope victim status and have her first kiss (from the MC, too.). It took another month after that for her to lose her virginity, and I wasn't even monitoring her like a crazy stalker either.

That said, I definitely agree that the game needs at least some more guidance on how to progress.

The worst part is the Twitter/Dmitter. Like I GET IT, this is an NTR RPG and you are supposed to put your shoes into the protagonist "cucktagonist", wherein the game makes it clear to doubt 100% the actions of the girl as to if she's cheating unto you. The twitter/Dmitter shows pictures that are CLEARLY KANA (because it's cheaper for the developer to reuse CG's and it's part of the NTR aspect of doubting if the girl is Kana) yet the game and the guide states that it was a random girl in town/another town that just so happens to look 100% like Kana. Yet when I check Kana stats, she has no sexual stat/increase of any kind. It would've been better (but maybe less NTR focused, which may detract to the point of the game but eh...) if the Twitter/Dmitter would show other girls (like recolor the hair or some kind) if you manage to completely save Kana from NTR (Class President Yukino of Acerola did it well, if Yukino gets H scene then she gets uploaded to the internet equivalent, yet if you avoid H scene the internet will show CG of random girls that looks significantly different from Yukino). It just breaks the immersion wherein every girl posted in Dmitter looks 100% like Kana (I guess that's just part of the NTR aspect).

I like the game and I would definitely (probably) attempt to finish it. It's a flawed diamond, a good game marred with so many flaws.

i dont get how people find the battle mechanic to be any difficult at all,

Hey if you like the game as a perfect masterpiece good on you but saying you don't get how people find the battle mechanic difficult at all is kind of disingenuous. I get the basic mechanics of combat. Spirit enemy = magic. Physical = physical. Use magic burst to gain TP to get physical to hit magic/spirit enemies. The worst part is managing Kana in the dungeon. Another is the magic aspect. I've played a shit ton of H RPGs, regular RPGS, etc. Yet the magic aspect is kind of confusing in first glance. Like Every element of magic has complex magic from the get go. Usually rpgs will give you basic Magic like deal fire damage, deal damage over time, stun, slow, reduce stats, etc. Only the endgame magics usually get complex mechanics with long winded effects. This game when you equip a catalyst you gain multiple magics, that either self buff or deal some kind of effect towards the enemy. The information overload specially when it comes to magic chaining (frost-dark-frost) in order to produce great aspects is kind of overwhelming for a new player. There is also no way to see the magic combo in combat. You need to memorize the way magic interaction does in order to utilize it. That's kind of tedious complexity. SPECIALLY when ungga bungga "Spirit enemy = magic. Physical = physical. Use magic burst to gain TP to get physical to hit magic/spirit enemies, enemy charges = stun them" works MOST of the time.

The tutorial only does so much and you'd need to learn by either reading other people's advice (like you did, you literally commented several pages ago about how to progress the combat, how to make kana stronger, the dungeon, etc). Some helpful people gave you advice and now you act like combat was always easy to learn and it was obvious from the start.
What you should've said is that it gets easier once you know how the mechanics work and explained things properly instead of acting like everything is easy to understand from the get-go. If things were so easy then why are you asking questions about how the game works? I thought it was easy enough and not difficult for one to play blindly (according to your baseless claims).

Like dude this is a game forum/piracy forum, criticizing the game is a way of expressing the flaws of the game because more likely than not we appreciate some aspects of it to bother even commenting in the forum. As I said before there is a fine line between blind hatred, and constructive criticism. Saying that the game is difficult is factually true for most people (as you would not get most of the system mechanics just by playing and not testing intensively/blindly how stuff works or asking people for advice in the game or using a guide on how to play the game). Criticism is a way for games to improve (I somehow doubt the developer reads from here, but maybe someone close to the developer shares somethings similar to what was stated here). I read that the developer will put the constructive criticisms in mind towards making a better new game. I see that as an absolute win since a better game will come out from the things that this game built upon.