Other than lewd content, a big focus for the next update should be…

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Pr0GamerJohnny

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Hi Snusen, could you please describe where and when you think the bugs appeared? This way I can fix the problem so that other players don’t experience the same thing.
As an example, I had the game crash shortly into the party introduction, the log cited an infinite loop:
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As best as I can tell, jasmine_dream has no incrementor/exit condition satisfied:
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Venoma

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I don't need to cite specific bugs since the game is so buggy you'll encounter one at every turn hence why i suggested he focus on fixing all of these bugs instead of adding new content.
So no extra 1 inch effort. Gotcha.

Luckily for everybody else the guying posting above me isn't like you.
 
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GetOutOfMyLab

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As an example, I had the game crash shortly into the party introduction, the log cited an infinite loop:
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As best as I can tell, jasmine_dream has no incrementor/exit condition satisfied:
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Apart from that, the image jasmineride animated definition shouldn't even be inside a loop or a label for that matter. Looking through the code of this game honestly gives me a headache. :HideThePain:
 

Pr0GamerJohnny

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Also - more of a suggestion than a bugfix, Ziggy should recite the full [rumor_statement] when asked, not just the [rumor_description]. As it is now, there's no way of knowing before the end of the turn who you stand to lose or gain points with.
 

NemesisGames

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Apart from that, the image jasmineride animated definition shouldn't even be inside a loop or a label for that matter. Looking through the code of this game honestly gives me a headache. :HideThePain:
Well, I appreciate the sacrifice of giving yourself a migraine, because that may sounds like the source of the infinite loop error that has plagued me for months! It seems obvious now, but I could never figure it out since I couldn’t replicate any of the animations issues on my own computer.

That said I still plan to convert the Ren’py animations to .webm for more stability and much smaller file size.


As best as I can tell, jasmine_dream has no incrementor/exit condition satisfied
The button screen provides an exit when players click it, when then ends the animation after it jumps. Until then, it loops continuously via a unfulfilled while statement - which was a mistake leftover from my early, early days of learning Ren’py/Python code.



As for everybody’s comments on the widespread bugs, I’ll just say this: this game was built layer by layer on a foundation of my own ignorance of coding.

I’ve learned a ton of lessons since then, but the foundation remains.

It is difficult to change this flawed foundation without a significant time investment.

That said, this investment will be made during v0.11, when more of the game will be converted into pure python, optimized, and organized. Little solace to people playing now, but this will fix a lot of the sprawling mess of code which is the source of current issues.
 

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Well, I appreciate the sacrifice of giving yourself a migraine, because that may sounds like the source of the infinite loop error that has plagued me for months! It seems obvious now, but I could never figure it out since I couldn’t replicate any of the animations issues on my own computer.

That said I still plan to convert the Ren’py animations to .webm for more stability and much smaller file size.
Converting to webm is a really good idea. You will reach a certain limit on the individual images you can put in an ATL where it will eventually cause severe performance issues.

However, the infinite loop error is a result of your while loop, as Pr0gamerJohnny pointed out. From what I can see, there is nothing that tells the while statement that it is greater than 3 while jasmine_ride < 3

From his screenshot, I don't see anywhere where you increment jasmine_ride
 

NemesisGames

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Also - more of a suggestion than a bugfix, Ziggy should recite the full [rumor_statement] when asked, not just the [rumor_description]. As it is now, there's no way of knowing before the end of the turn who you stand to lose or gain points with.
Good point. Ziggy is there to tell you who is spreading what rumor and to whom, but most players won't know that. Changed.

However, the infinite loop error is a result of your while loop, as Pr0gamerJohnny pointed out.
Interesting, okay. I've removed it from hotfix version.
 
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NemesisGames

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Look at the comments everyone agrees even the dev agrees with me and will put time ironing out bugs in v0.11
No, I don’t. But I deal with unproductive, vague complaints with every update, and every so often when I ask complainers to provide more details, they do, and—lo and behold—the issue gets resolved.

Or, they come back months later and continue to vaguepost:

Have you tried playing the game yourself? The bugs are pretty easy to see.
Why aren't you testing your game? The very start of the game, it already bugs.
Some people truly don’t know how to contribute, only consume.
 

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No, I don’t. But I deal with unproductive, vague complaints with every update, and every so often when I ask complainers to provide more details, they do, and—lo and behold—the issue gets resolved.

Or, they come back months later and continue to vaguepost:





Some people truly don’t know how to contribute, only consume.
This is a pirating site. What did you expect. And regardless of whether or not people contribute, it is your responsibility to test things out first before releasing a game. This site could not exist, and you would still be at fault for releasing an untested update. People typically post technical bug reports. But in this case, the bugs happen literally at the start of the game or the update that the only way the dev couldn't have known about the bugs is if they never bothered to test the game in the first place. I don't buy your bs that you tested the updates because it's literally the first thing you encounter. Don't expect people to have good faith contribution when you couldn't even do the barest minimum.
 
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I will predicate in saying I am not a fan of NTR, but I am not one of those dogwhistlers who cry when it's presence is in the game.

Otherwise, I am really liking what I played - I personally loved Jasmine (who knew Dom inspired Aladdin character could awaken something)

The mechanics are ambitious and different, but the risk and reward loop is there. Which gives me high hopes the threat of Ace makes the game a challenge since I am after the vanilla scenes.

Yeah there are bugs but none except one became game breaking. People talk like games shouldn't have bugs at all, but you need only look at triple AAA releases for that to be disproved.

I'll put a review up when there is more content but for now a good premise I am gonna keep an eye on! Cheers Dev.
 
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This is a pirating site. What did you expect. And regardless of whether or not people contribute, it is your responsibility to test things out first before releasing a game. This site could not exist, and you would still be at fault for releasing an untested update. People typically post technical bug reports. But in this case, the bugs happen literally at the start of the game or the update that the only way the dev couldn't have known about the bugs is if they never bothered to test the game in the first place. I don't buy your bs that you tested the updates because it's literally the first thing you encounter. Don't expect people to have good faith contribution when you couldn't even do the barest minimum.
The fact you think a bug happens for everyone the same way it happens to you, shows you know nothing about game design.

Before you speak of the “responsibility of developers”, I suggest trying to create a game yourself. Things are not so obvious as you think they are.

Anyone who reads my regular devlogs here knows I use multiple bug testers and test for weeks before release. When you claim I do the “barest minimum” you insult the hours they spend testing everything.
 

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Hi Snusen, could you please describe where and when you think the bugs appeared? This way I can fix the problem so that other players don’t experience the same thing.
Legit it's hard to put it all into 1 post and for me to properly describe it. Most issues stems from images simply being displayed over other images. Specific one that i remember is the one where you get your dick slopped on by the BBW and the ebony girl walks in on you. You can see the animation play behind her when she's peaking in.

Other things are "hit boxes" or well buttons being all over the place. Specifically on the table in the living room where you can easily press Ace and more by simple pressing the keys or the Coke can. More than that i can't specify as i never had any crashes occur for me.
 

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Legit it's hard to put it all into 1 post and for me to properly describe it. Most issues stems from images simply being displayed over other images. Specific one that i remember is the one where you get your dick slopped on by the BBW and the ebony girl walks in on you. You can see the animation play behind her when she's peaking in.
That sounds like issues with a transparent layer behind Jasmine in the doorway, thanks.

Other things are "hit boxes" or well buttons being all over the place. Specifically on the table in the living room where you can easily press Ace and more by simple pressing the keys or the Coke can. More than that i can't specify as i never had any crashes occur for me.
Got it - I found some stray non-transparent sections in the overlays, thank you taking the time to tell me!
 
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