VN Ren'Py Nephilim [v0.5.0] [BuuPlays]

[Krytax123]

I hope that she retains that feeling because I want nothing to do with either of them.

Only read if you are fine with getting spoiled with 0.5 a little bit Whats very different between pearl and the other betrayals is that Pearl is unable to accept the MC's forgiveness despite the fact that the MC forgave her. She doesnt deem herself worthy of his kindness and is driven by the desire to make up for her failure instead of moving just past it.

She too thinks that nothing justifies the betrayal until she finds a way to help the nephilim enough to make up for it . Her biggest fear is to not get the chance to at least try to redeem herself. Thats a great character development/motivation.

She will only accept to be forgiven if she will be able to prove herself worthy of it. And it has to be furthermore considered that this girl got tortured, abused and hurt and kept in a constant state of fear her whole life by her father.

And now she wants her new daddy to be proud of her

This really won me over esp when she's able to achieve that.

 

[Krytax123]

Well and to add to my post, another argument to like Pearl:

 

[TrixRabbit]

Only read if you are fine with getting spoiled with 0.5 a little bit Whats very different between pearl and the other betrayals is that Pearl is unable to accept the MC's forgiveness despite the fact that the MC forgave her. She doesnt deem herself worthy of his kindness and is driven by the desire to make up for her failure instead of moving just past it.

She too thinks that nothing justifies the betrayal until she finds a way to help the nephilim enough to make up for it . Her biggest fear is to not get the chance to at least try to redeem herself. Thats a great character development/motivation.

She will only accept to be forgiven if she will be able to prove herself worthy of it. And it has to be furthermore considered that this girl got tortured, abused and hurt and kept in a constant state of fear her whole life by her father.

This really won me over esp when she's able to achieve that.

I can't be won over. I'm sad that MC forgave her - because personally, as a player, I haven't and I'd still kill her for it. In this game I care about MC, Eliza and a little bit about Sylph - but only because Eliza likes her so much - not as a Li ... and that's it, I have no real interest in the other characters and the ones that have betrayed me, or Eliza in any way can go die in a corner.

 

[TrixRabbit]

Well and to add to my post, another argument to like Pearl:

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Eww ... nope.

 

[Krytax123]

I can't be won over. I'm sad that MC forgave her - because personally, as a player, I haven't and I'd still kill her for it. In this game I care about MC, Eliza and a little bit about Sylph - but only because Eliza likes her so much - not as a Li ... and that's it, I have no real interest in the other characters and the ones that have betrayed me, or Eliza in any way can go die in a corner.

You do you.

 

[Pixillin']

I can't be won over. I'm sad that MC forgave her - because personally, as a player, I haven't and I'd still kill her for it. In this game I care about MC, Eliza and a little bit about Sylph - but only because Eliza likes her so much - not as a Li ... and that's it, I have no real interest in the other characters and the ones that have betrayed me, or Eliza in any way can go die in a corner.

Same pretty much. I also like the bartender - enough that if she still wants a job on the farm I'll give her one but don't like her as a Li either - and I'm fine just never seeing the pirate girls again, but I'd rather kill them than talk to them. For me this is a story about MC and Eliza, with revenge as a sort of sub plot. IDGAF about the kingdom or most of the people in it.

 

[Dessolos]

Personally I think killing any of the LI aside for Selena is a bit much and overly harsh unless you are playing a Dark save. I don't think anyone has done anything to warrant it no matter how much you may or may not like them.

 

[TrixRabbit]

Personally I think killing any of the LI aside for Selena is a bit much and overly harsh unless you are playing a Dark save. I don't think anyone has done anything to warrant it no matter how much you may or may not like them.

I think Selena and the pirate girls are basically equally bad. Aside from Eliza, and maybe Sylph (for Eliza's sake) there is no one in the story who I'd really intervene to save and I would def. kill Selena and the pirate girls.

 

[MiltonPowers]

I think Selena and the pirate girls are basically equally bad. Aside from Eliza, and maybe Sylph (for Eliza's sake) there is no one in the story who I'd really intervene to save and I would def. kill Selena and the pirate girls.

You don't like anyone but Eliza?
Why haven't you mentioned this before?

 

[Pixillin']

Yeah ... when I launch the new website (see sig) I'm not sure what to say about this game yet because I like so few of the characters and dislike several - Selena, the pirate girls, Alice (don't want to kill Alice but I don't like her), Luna ... I think her name is, the witch girl ... again, don't want to kill her but I don't like her ... the cousins ... It's really just MC and Eliza and a few people I like a little bit like Sylph and the barmaid. Edit: I mean Eliza is Li Hall of Fame material (yes there is going to be one) but there are no others who I'd consider "good" as Lis go.

 

[Dessolos]

I think Selena and the pirate girls are basically equally bad. Aside from Eliza, and maybe Sylph (for Eliza's sake) there is no one in the story who I'd really intervene to save and I would def. kill Selena and the pirate girls.

I hard disagree about the pirate not liking them and avoiding sure that's on you and I can under stand that but killing them? Hell no that's way to much overly harsh imo.

Selena's betrayal actually cause harm to Eliza and she knew what she was doing and it something bad would happen. Yeah she was being blackmailed but she also knew what she was doing. Yeah she did feel bad afterwards but not nearly as much as Peral did.

Peral - While also blackmailed betrayed the MC. The difference is she didn't know the Chalice was to curse someone the MC cared enough for. So she had no idea anything bad could of came from it. Then there is the fact she helped us get it back and fight her father and other pirates. Now if the chalice was gone be a different story and maybe I could agree with killing her then but that is a what if scenario. Also for me she showed more remorse than Selena by not wanting to be around or anything to do with them because she didn't think she deserved any forgiveness. Selena kind of just said I was blackmailed but sorry I did a bad thing without asking for help.

Kira - She hasn't even done anything bad enough to warrant her death other than be annoying and lie to the MC about taking him directly to the island because a rule she has to follow with her father to take her to him. She isn't even in the same league.

So to me you saying you want to kill them comes across as overly harsh and only something you would want to do if you are a Sith lord that can't feel any emotions or just doesn't care about being a evil / killing just because you dont like someone or just a dark player. ( which is fine these games are fantasies might as well have fun with it) But to say the pirates and Selena are basically the same and equally bad / on the same level. I cannot agree with it's a hard disagree from me.

 

[TrixRabbit]

I hard disagree about the pirate not liking them and avoiding sure that's on you and I can under stand that but killing them? Hell no that's way to much overly harsh imo.

Selena's betrayal actually cause harm to Eliza and she knew what she was doing and it something bad would happen. Yeah she was being blackmailed but she also knew what she was doing. Yeah she did feel bad afterwards but not nearly as much as Peral did.

Peral - While also blackmailed betrayed the MC. The difference is she didn't know the Chalice was to curse someone the MC cared enough for. So she had no idea anything bad could of came from it. Then there is the fact she helped us get it back and fight her father and other pirates. Now if the chalice was gone be a different story and maybe I could agree with killing her then but that is a what if scenario. Also for me she showed more remorse than Selena by not wanting to be around or anything to do with them because she didn't think she deserved any forgiveness. Selena kind of just said I was blackmailed but sorry I did a bad thing without asking for help.

Kira - She hasn't even done anything bad enough to warrant her death other than be annoying and lie to the MC about taking him directly to the island because a rule she has to follow with her father to take her to him. She isn't even in the same league.

So to me you saying you want to kill them comes across as overly harsh and only something you would want to do if you are a Sith lord that can't feel any emotions or just doesn't care about being a evil / killing just because you dont like someone or just a dark player. ( which is fine these games are fantasies might as well have fun with it) But to say the pirates and Selena are basically the same and equally bad / on the same level. I cannot agree with it's a hard disagree from me.

That's fine you can disagree. It doesn't change my mind though - like Selena, regardless of their intention they endangered the only person in this world I care about. We got the option to kill Selena's sister and the sister did nothing - had no idea what was going on, hadn't met MC or Eliza until after and had no hand in the plot (other than as a hostage) - but her we had the option to kill. Even without the betrayal from Pearl and Kira I considered them uninteresting and fairly yucky as people and even without the betrayal I probably would have put a sword through Kira about the fifth time I had to say no to her. I didn't even catch her when she fell because it says "Kira Path" underneath. Even if I don't get the chance to kill them, my reaction to them showing up again would be something like "Holy fuck you skanks cannot take a hint." I should have negative relationship points with both of them and have done nothing to indicate that I even like them as people.

 

[Dessolos]

That's fine you can disagree. It doesn't change my mind though - like Selena, regardless of their intention they endangered the only person in this world I care about. We got the option to kill Selena's sister and the sister did nothing - had no idea what was going on, hadn't met MC or Eliza until after and had no hand in the plot (other than as a hostage) - but her we had the option to kill. Even without the betrayal from Pearl and Kira I considered them uninteresting and fairly yucky as people and even without the betrayal I probably would have put a sword through Kira about the fifth time I had to say no to her. I didn't even catch her when she fell because it says "Kira Path" underneath. Even if I don't get the chance to kill them, my reaction to them showing up again would be something like "Holy fuck you skanks cannot take a hint." I should have negative relationship points with both of them and have done nothing to indicate that I even like them as people.

not trying to change your mind just saying why I think killing them is too much unless you have a dark play through and why I don't consider them in the same league for their betrayals.

 

[TrixRabbit]

not trying to change your mind just saying why I think killing them is too much unless you have a dark play through and why I don't consider them in the same league for their betrayals.

I don't consider it a dark path thing at all. I've killed four people so far but am still (I think) on the light path when you add everything up. I didn't kill Selena's sister but have always killed otherwise when given the option and I don't consider the forest bandits, or the assassin, or the witch who "trapped" MC as bad morally as Pearl and Kira. Edit: Oops sorry five - I also killed the dude who was guarding wasername - the other girl from the pirate ship.

 

[Dessolos]

I don't consider it a dark path thing at all. I've killed four people so far but am still (I think) on the light path when you add everything up. I didn't kill Selena's sister but have always killed otherwise when given the option and I don't consider the forest bandits, or the assassin, or the witch who "trapped" MC as bad morally as Pearl and Kira. Edit: Oops sorry five - I also killed the dude who was guarding wasername - the other girl from the pirate ship.

I think it's a big difference when they try to kill you and the Peral just did something wrong morally but had no idea how bad it really was and tried to correct the mistake. Which is why my opinion is killing Peral or Kira it way to harsh of a punishment unless dark path.

 

[TrixRabbit]

I think it's a big difference when they try to kill you and the Peral just did something wrong morally but had no idea how bad it really was and tried to correct the mistake. Which is why my opinion is killing Peral or Kira it way to harsh of a punishment unless dark path.

Well I would totally take the dark path if it had the option to kill them both.

 

[Pixillin']

Well I would totally take the dark path if it had the option to kill them both.

Yep. Would rather kill them than see them again - I was cheering for the woman who took out Kira in the last update.

 

[jadepaladin]

I can totally see a world in which the MC goes scorched earth on anyone that threatens or impacts his ability to care for Eliza, except Taron. This is a threefold problem and I put the blame on Buu every time.

1) The writing of Eliza's relationship with the MC is so strong that is eclipses every other route in the story and it's not even close. It's a double edged sword.

2) Since we can't kill Kira/Pearl despite our MC having the ability to (just not the option) they are essential to the story in some way. Selena gave me hope that we would get a story that we could moderately shape ourselves, and Kira/Pearl ruined that notion quickly. We have a MC that will move the earth for Eliza, unless we need crew for a ship, since that's hard to find in a capital city with a port. Also, we're so bonded with Pearl that we can immediately forgive her, but not so bonded that we can tell her why we need the chalice on the way there. It would have 100% changed the plot because Pearl is written not to be an idiot.

3) The MC's inability to focus on Taron. Again, Buu writing fails here. We aren't even trying with Taron so it means Taron is either insignificant to the MC, or there's some reason Buu hasn't brought us into further conflict (Harem MCs too busy getting their dick wet, Eliza only MCs are...well...yeah). Either way, weak writing.

 

[Pixillin']

I can totally see a world in which the MC goes scorched earth on anyone that threatens or impacts his ability to care for Eliza, except Taron. This is a threefold problem and I put the blame on Buu every time.

1) The writing of Eliza's relationship with the MC is so strong that is eclipses every other route in the story and it's not even close. It's a double edged sword.

2) Since we can't kill Kira/Pearl despite our MC having the ability to (just not the option) they are essential to the story in some way. Selena gave me hope that we would get a story that we could moderately shape ourselves, and Kira/Pearl ruined that notion quickly. We have a MC that will move the earth for Eliza, unless we need crew for a ship, since that's hard to find in a capital city with a port. Also, we're so bonded with Pearl that we can immediately forgive her, but not so bonded that we can tell her why we need the chalice on the way there. It would have 100% changed the plot because Pearl is written not to be an idiot.

3) The MC's inability to focus on Taron. Again, Buu writing fails here. We aren't even trying with Taron so it means Taron is either insignificant to the MC, or there's some reason Buu hasn't brought us into further conflict (Harem MCs too busy getting their dick wet, Eliza only MCs are...well...yeah). Either way, weak writing.

I mostly agree with this and I may just postpone putting any review up for awhile - just to give Buu a chance to get back on track. The concept for the story is good. The elements of the story that are good is MC's relationship with Eliza, MC and Eliza (together) seeking revenge against Taron, and MC's semi-secret origin (who/what he is). And that's all, any deviation from those elements and the game gets weaker. A bit of comic relief or a small side quest is fine but Buu seems to be spending more and more time away from the only elements of the story that work.

If I wrote the review right now, the art would be a strong A-/B+ ... somewhere in there. The story would be a D - good concept but weak execution and the Characters would be a C (thanks to Eliza ... without whom ... D ... possibly an F) .. which would put the overall score at about a C - which is going to impress no one, so maybe I just hold off and see if it gets better later next year? IDK

 

[jadepaladin]

I mostly agree with this and I may just postpone putting any review up for awhile - just to give Buu a chance to get back on track. The concept for the story is good. The elements of the story that are good is MC's relationship with Eliza, MC and Eliza (together) seeking revenge against Taron, and MC's semi-secret origin (who/what he is). And that's all, any deviation from those elements and the game gets weaker. A bit of comic relief or a small side quest is fine but Buu seems to be spending more and more time away from the only elements of the story that work.

If I wrote the review right now, the art would be a strong A-/B+ ... somewhere in there. The story would be a D - good concept but weak execution and the Characters would be a C (thanks to Eliza ... without whom ... D ... possibly an F) .. which would put the overall score at about a C - which is going to impress no one, so maybe I just hold off and see if it gets better later next year? IDK

This overall was an easy A/B+ for me up until the chalice arc. Slipped into B-/C territory there and since coming back, probably even lower. I'm optimistic (delusional) this "grand journey" will bring back some of the early love I had for it. If not...well, there's thousands of VNs here.