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Dessolos
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the Pirate the tried to kill the twins and take over Looters bayWho the hell is Brenda?
Because I don't consider Pearl as having betrayed the mc. She didn't know about Eliza and was told that Kira was going to die if she didnt steal whatever the mc was after and she immidently jumped ship.
I also don't really have a huge hate boner on Selena and would probably be able to look past everything if it didn't result in Eliza getting paralyzed. The biggest difference between Pearl and Selena is that no harm came out of anything Pearl did
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not just that for me up to what I played ( ive yet to play chapter 5) Peral felt really bad and way more remorseful than Selena imo. It was to the point she didn't think she should be allowed around the MC anymore
That's nice too. But remember how to made the green monster in What a Legend after 2 years of hate, one of the most loving characters of the game ?Id liked to see her dry sucked hull like with Serena,.....
Everything is possible... Dry fucking her skull with or without her body is an option too...
Oh, thanks. I thought you may talk about that barmaid because I am not a huge fan of her.
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I sorta of liked the Barmaid but she has some mommy Milkers so hard to say no to her
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I don't know if we can assume that. In later content it's clear that MC & Pearl had a lot of things to say to each other in the two weeks they were traveling to the island.
What if Blackbeard had used the chalice before MC got there? What if these pirates were actually a bit more capable?
No harm came out of anything that Pearl did because the MC was there to fix things. It's not a good argument, because you could say that no harm resulted from anything Selena did either because the MC put things right.
The whole "daddy made me do it" is just too easy of an excuse. I can honestly understand that Pearl betrays the MC to keep Mira safe. What I don't understand is that Pearl later boards the ship to attack Mira, saying that their father ordered her to get rid of her. That she attacked to chase Mira off... What was her plan? "Hey sis, I beat you, so now you have to sail away and never come back"? As if that would've worked with a firecracker like Mira.
That the MC doesn't even have stern words for her is ridiculous, specially when the story gave us plenty of information on how the MC views betrayal, and how a dark-path MC would handle it.
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Honestly, I want her to hook up with the cousin. Maybe he grows up a bit after getting laid.
You mean Kira, right?
According to Pearl she did not attack Kira to kill, she did it to chase her away to save her from her father's wrath. Also, even if they feel close to MC, they'd choose, both of them, their own twin over MC everyday. So that also made sense. We honestly don't know how powerful was Blackbeard, MC dealt with him with ease. (Probably because his lack of potential to become an LI) But Pearl feared him, Kira too. So if he threatened Pearl to kill Kira, that really make sense.
If you are comparing that to Selena. It really is not. One of them puts their so-called friends in active danger. Even after she denies it, she is very well aware Taron was going to kill both MC and Eliza. That's active betrayal. Not even counting she was part of the ambush that Eliza got kidnapped and it was her who lured Eliza away from MC for the ambush. On top of that, she gloated at the cell. She even mentioned how not either MC or Eliza survive the situation. I am still salty that MC can't kill her and let her sister go. She deserved the worst.
In Pearl's situation, she took a chalice to save her own twin sister. It was just another trinket a pirate stole, nothing more. Yes, MC do believe it could help someone she does not know, a person she never met. She did not know if the chalice would work, even if it works would Eliza accepts it, Eliza (a person she only know as MC's friend, if Pearl even know that much) was not going to die, if Eliza did not get the chalice there could be another way to help her too. Her sister was in greater danger than somebody she did not know.
Also, another huge difference, Pearl did not follow through the plan, she helped MC and Kira. Selena did followed through the entire plan, gave MC and Eliza on a silver platter. She was not regretting when MC caught her, she would do all over again for under the same circumstances while Pearl was regretting and she noticed she could have choose another path.
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its only creepy out of context.
the classic love before puberty that never dies trope is kind of a real thing. ive a soft spot for a neighbor girl when i was a child. now ive no intention of ever dating her, looking for her, so much as checking her name on facebook and see what pops up. but i always think of her warmly and in a slightly romaticized way. people do that it seems, and i know its not real but whatever when i think of her it happens that way. we were very close, her brother and i were good buddies and he little sister was a mouse of a girl when she wasnt being a total bitch. their family moved before we were teenagers.
for alice specifically, living in a small village where every man was like a creepy uncle or her brother, and no one really leaves, who else is she gonna pine for? in fact the fantasy that MC somehow survived and is out there somewhere, one day to return. think it would be easy for childhood friendship to turn into romantic loved, one sided or not.
its crazy how real life a childhood friendship can evolve into a romantic love and get sealed in ones heart. its only creepy when the person experiencing it turns it into an obsession and never goes on with their life. alice wasnt that, she was already looking at leaving the village, having a life. she just always hoped MC was out there too, to the point that believing him dead and gone would be a betrayal to her own heart.
i still prefer eliza, but keep alice around, she will be necessary to help herd all of MC and Eliza's whelps
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I can kind of see that in your case, but in a medieval(ish) setting I still find it weird. Life expectancy was much lower and people die frequently. I mean in a very, very early context that's kind of what the Winter Solstice celebration (later Christmas) was about - you gather the family and have a huge feast before dipping into winter because there's a decent chance not all of them will see the spring. So I can see her holding on to him as a kind of fantasy, but whatever happens in that setting you suck it up and move on with life. So I still find the idea of her just sitting there and waiting for him for a decade and then just sort of being "finally, there you are - well, let's get on with that adventuring" to be ... unhealthy at the very least.
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Yep, you're right.You mean Kira, right?
I mentioned this as well. With what we know of Kira, would that have worked? Wouldn't her twin know this? What would Pearl have done if Kira had lost and refused to leave?
I'm not saying it makes no sense for Pearl to do this. I specifically said: "I can honestly understand that Pearl betrays the MC to keep Mira safe."
What I'm saying that even if the MC understands _why_ she did it, he doesn't _have_ to agree with it or her methods. They spent many evenings together between visiting Blackbeard and arriving at the island. At any point, Pearl could've confided in him instead of stealing the artifact.
But we were looking at the end result regarding Pearl, right? In the case of Eliza, she's said several times that she now feels better than ever. If we take her at her word, then the worst aspect of those two months of being unable to walk, was the MC being away from her.
Playing devil's advocate, I could say that Selena acts out at the cell because she wanted to gain Taron's trust and cooperation, or that she was overreacting because of feeling guilty.
While their methods were different, what Pearl did wasn't that different from what Selena did. Pearl was putting her sister's wellbeing over that of Eliza & the MC. In Selena's case, the MC could've murdered her sister in cold blood to get even. Pearl doesn't even get an angry look.
You don't sense a certain imbalance there?
All of this has no bearing on how the MC should feel about the chalice getting stolen by someone he trusted.
He's at this island because it's said to contain the only artifact able to heal Eliza. And Pearl steals it, dooming Eliza to never walk again.
He's at that island because he feels he failed to keep Eliza safe, that he's responsible... That getting her to walk again would absolve him. It would be his every right to be furious with Pearl.
That's fair. But should that mean that all is forgiven? That the trust that was lost is entirely gained back?
Would the MC who murdered Selena's sister just let it go? Or would a guy like that want something to hold over Pearl to make sure she'll never betray him again?
This is an aspect of this game's writing that I don't really enjoy either. For some reason, every LI has to be pure. None of the women have ever been with a man, except for the MILF who says she only had sex once in her life. It's ridiculous how this world is filled with 20 y/o virgins. Even that sex-craving Brenda-chick went out of her way to say that she's only been with her toys.
Kira didn't even know or about the Mc's family and he spent way more time with her
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Depends... and Kira isn't the easiest person to get along with. I can see that her behavior/personality doesn't make it easy for someone to open up about personal stuff. Pearl, on the other hand, I really liked how she was characterized at first. That the MC and Pearl talked every evening on the railing of the ship during those two weeks of travel would've created a deeper bond, I think.
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I've made this argument to the point that it's now pretty much what I'm known for here. The story kinda went off the rails because - If given the option, I would have killed Selena and both of the pirate twins so the idea that I would abandon Eliza to go and save them is just ridiculous to me. I despise them both, and absolutely wouldn't have interfered with someone else trying to kill them (but then, I wouldn't have come in the first place - I would have killed them both myself.)
She did not have any plan further, chasing Kira away was not a fully developed plan either because she was not even sure her father would believe her.
You can choose the angry path, then not follow after her. She literally said she did not deserves MC's forgiveness and if MC does not follow her, that will be considered he kinda agrees on that.
I honestly don't. It would be more or less my reaction to those situations. I think, which I mentioned before, the biggest difference is putting someone under active danger and passive danger through consequences of your actions. Selena actively sought to become friends with MC and Eliza, even the quest was a sham. So that makes their meeting was malicious from the start. Pearl and Kira's meet with MC was natural. MC needed a ship, they could provide, so they met. Then, Selena became their friend by the order of Taron, that was fake too. There is a possibility she felt real friendship through the process but her friendship was fake. Pearl and Kira's friendship was not fake, they did not even wanted to become one at the beginning. MC was only a debt getting paid back. Then, Selena lured Eliza by herself, taking active part then took part in kidnapping, so Taron could lure MC too. Pearl did not involved with Chalice search at all. Also, she did not put MC or Eliza in any sort of danger. She just stole an artifact. We don't know the depths of MC and Pearl talks but as far as we know he stated an artifact that can help someone back at home. No more details there. MC might even be lying about it as far as Pearl knew, maybe he was treasure hunting and lying to them about the treasure. So, Selena was aware of the consequences while it was ambiguous for Pearl. If MC could not find it, there was not going to be any betrayal. Next, Selena's gloating at the cell. She even said neither MC nor Eliza was going to survive, which meant she was aware of the danger she was putting them in. You can soften it all you want by assuming things about her but the action stands. Pearl was regretful and apologetic about the whole situation. When MC confronted Selena and later Eliza, she was basically implied she was ready to everything again. While, Pearl owned her mistakes and said she should have chosen different path. Cherry on top, Selena was assuming their forgiveness while Pearl said she did not deserve any forgiveness. Let's not forget, Selena called Eliza a bitch because Eliza was angry when she was sniffing around the place they were staying.
All in all, Selena brought the situation to MC and Eliza, so she could benefitted from their misery. While, Pearl had to take an action to a situation that brought to her by MC. To top that, MC was the one helping to Selena while Pearl was the one helping MC. So, even their power dynamic were different.
This part is not exactly wrong but you are missing a few crucial points. First of all, Selena left both MC and Eliza's faith into hands of Taron. As Dalen said they could have died there. While in other case, Eliza's life was not in danger. Chalice was a long shot from the start and after the vampire talk, MC was not even sure it was the way. So not the same type of danger, nor the same type of actions.
Secondly, MC's immediate response can be anger. It's left to players to choose. Then, he has enough time to cool down and think about it calmly, so when they met enough time has already passed him to make logical decisions. Same goes for Selena btw, MC could have choose to spare them and even allow her to repair what she has broken. I never choose that, because I don't think she deserves it but still, it's up to players there.
Finally, there is sort of additional factors there. At the betrayal points. MC has no relationship with Samarah, so Eliza got hurt because of a stranger. He has either romantic or friendly relationship with Kira, so Pearl's betrayal meant Eliza's cure was in danger because of wellbeing of someone he likes.
Now, we do agree on this point. I think Selena's betrayal and how he handled is mishandled by the dev. Even on dark path, MC would not punish an entirely innocent person to make a point. There are indications for that. Also, as I see it MC is kinda forgiving person, even on dark path. So, him forgiving Pearl and even understand her actions is within his character. But when you put Samarah's murder there, you need to create a darker path from there. Because up until there, MC, even if you choose all the dark paths, still is a nice guy. So, MC should have had darker personality and should not be that forgiving, if players chose the neckbreaker path.
Dude, same there. I understand Kira and Pearl being virgin, they are captains and daugthers of Blackbeard but what about Kelly? She was easy going, a little gullible, was into romance and docks and seas are never lacking people who would take advantage of that. Her mother's case was more terrible, why was nothing going on for her for a long while? As far as we know, she is not the loyal type. Some do make sense. Eliza, Alice, Luna, up to a point Kira and Pearl but some others not at all.
Though, I have a headcanon for MC's charm. It came from his father. So, his angel side creates an aura to fall women for him. I would suggest how his mom became giddy after she met the angel. Still though, it lowers the value of the story by making story unbelievable. I know it does not have the greatest writing but the story is interesting enough, so I would not want this in this story.
I agree I would have definitely killed Selena. She is dangerous and malicious, also needs to suffer consequences of her actions. I don't agree on twins though. I would definitely choose to save them, if there was an option there. I really like both of them. That means you would not meet Diana too, so that's another plus for me. I am not sure I'd meet them at the first place though. I don't think, I'd go for treasure hunting while Eliza got hurt by my archnemesis. I'd probably choose to burn the city down until I find him and put him on a stake or some other medieval torture. So there is that.
Also, even though I do find both island and twins/Diana arc is extremely interesting, that made story go off the rails. I am not sure MC would have cared to become a king of a remote island while Taron was at large. At best, he'd probably promise to return. Also, the ambassador could dying somewhere on the island while MC doing side quests. He should have refused Diana too. He is under the king's order, ordered to protect princess and he left right after she got kidnapped. I can see a noose in MC's future for disobeying orders. After saving Kira and Pearl, he probably should have said he is under king's order and had to go back. As of now, MC feels like Geralt swimming to distant island at Skellige so he can discover a question mark while Ciri stuck on Isle of Mist. Still though, I find it interesting and trying to recruit allies is somewhat acceptable excuse for me, so I am okay with it.
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To me it's really simple.
Kira & Selena knowingly put MC and/or Eliza in mortal danger, they are both fully aware of the danger to their lives (from Taron/Blackbeard) and still do it. Neither showed any remorse or apologized for doing it.
Pearl stole a trinket, that as far as we know, had no idea it would save Eliza. She apologized while she was doing it and felt guilty and remorseful and apologized many times after.
But, you're right that we players are forced to forgive her and Kira, when we had a choice with Selena. And it would have been nice for players to be able forgive or not forgive. For the reasons above, I would have forgiven Pearl instantly, but not Kira.
It would have been simpler if Pearl had mentioned to MC what she was supposed to do (except she has no idea of his abilities and his reaction, so understandable). MC could have said no problem, I just need it for one thing and then it's all yours.