VN Ren'Py Nephilim [v0.5.9] [BuuPlays]

[ename144]

Blaspheme, you heathen. How can you friendzone Eliza! I'm horrified by such a thought.

Hey, prior to the whole vampire thing Eliza was an awesome friend! She was upbeat, ambitious and independent - a great companion for the aloof, edgy MC. I just didn't want to sexualize things since I figured the MC should sort things out with Alice first (and had no interest in a harem). But Eliza herself was great.

Sadly, things fell apart after Eliza was injured. She lost her drive and just sat around daydreaming about the MC (while everyone dutifully reminded us how super-powerful she would be if the script ever let her do anything, of course). Meanwhile the MC treated Alice as little more than a booty call, and not even a high priority one at that. Quite the let down all around.

 

[Dessolos]

Hey, prior to the whole vampire thing Eliza was an awesome friend! She was upbeat, ambitious and independent - a great companion for the aloof, edgy MC. I just didn't want to sexualize things since I figured the MC should sort things out with Alice first (and had no interest in a harem). But Eliza herself was great.

Sadly, things fell apart after Eliza was injured. She lost her drive and just sat around daydreaming about the MC (while everyone dutifully reminded us how super-powerful she would be if the script ever let her do anything, of course). Meanwhile the MC treated Alice as little more than a booty call, and not even a high priority one at that. Quite the let down all around.

kind of why I look forward to anytime we are with Amelia. When the MC took her out of the castle and out of the city gates to go exploring a bit she reminded me Eliza before her turning into a vampire

 

[ename144]

kind of why I look forward to anytime we are with Amelia. When the MC took her out of the castle and out of the city gates to go exploring a bit she reminded me Eliza before her turning into a vampire

Maybe a little bit, but she completely lack old Eliza's ambition. Amelia is more like a younger sister we need to help guide towards becoming an effective monarch, not a proper adventuring partner. Well, that's how I see it anyway. I do like Amelia well enough, but again I'd rather not sexualize things (particularly given that I keep having to fend off her mom!).

 

[Dessolos]

Maybe a little bit, but she completely lack old Eliza's ambition. Amelia is more like a younger sister we need to help guide towards becoming an effective monarch, not a proper adventuring partner. Well, that's how I see it anyway. I do like Amelia well enough, but again I'd rather not sexualize things (particularly given that I keep having to fend off her mom!).

For me it was more like she had same kind of energy towards adventuring and exploring Eliza gave me I think why I say she reminds me of her during their date. But yeah not a proper adventuring partner she can't fight or anything being a princess she probably never was allowed to if she wanted to.

 

[Rehwyn]

I definitely don't think the dev lost interest. The big problem seems to be it going in a direction that a lot of the people here aren't sure about or vehemently disagree with. I don't know Buu's Patreon situation, if they feel similar, or what, but updates are pretty frequent and it's definitely trying to tell some kind of story. That said, I'm just pirating this so my opinion isn't exactly worth much.

From what I've seen, most comments on Patreon and Discord are generally supportive of the direction, and harem-style playthroughs in general.

I can see that if he's some kind of Pan type god who is just banging everyone and having a good time and doesn't really give a shit, but my thinking - especially now that MC knows more about who/what he is - is that I only really want to get close to people who are going to be around for awhile. Otherwise it just means a lot of funerals and being married to a lot of old ladies while he (and Eliza) are still basically as they are now. It's especially true in a medieval(ish) setting - don't form attachments to people who only have a few good decades left, max.

On the topic of aging, there's a spectrum here I feel. We have a few LIs that have human life-spans and probably won't go much beyond that. But then some like Luna might be greatly extended already because, from what I remember, magic use extends their life a lot. And Alice might have some alchemical means as well in the future. Then we have the non-human LIs like Sylph who are already 120 and still considered young. And of course some potential upcoming LIs are literal goddesses, who like MC and Eliza will essentially be immortal. And I think we've also not fully explored MC's powers, which especially coupled with Maia's gift could potentially extend even normal human lives.

I can see how a MC might choose to avoid strong emotional attachments to people that are likely to die long before him. At the same time, avoiding even strong friendships with them could be hard, and with all the dangers facing MC, there's no guarantee he even lives longer than a normal human anyways. From that perspective, I could see MC decided to make the most of the time he has with people he cares about, regardless of potential future heartbreak.

Maybe a little bit, but she completely lack old Eliza's ambition. Amelia is more like a younger sister we need to help guide towards becoming an effective monarch, not a proper adventuring partner. Well, that's how I see it anyway. I do like Amelia well enough, but again I'd rather not sexualize things (particularly given that I keep having to fend off her mom!).

For me it was more like she had same kind of energy towards adventuring and exploring Eliza gave me I think why I say she reminds me of her during their date. But yeah not a proper adventuring partner she can't fight or anything being a princess she probably never was allowed to if she wanted to.

I think this same adventurous spirit is one reason I really like Amelia, especially after the date outside the city.

I also have a sneaking suspicion something major will happen that forces her (and possibly the Queen) to go "on the run" for a while. Essentially, she might be forced into an "adventure" role and have to learn the skills needed to survive there.

 

[Pixillin']

I can see how a MC might choose to avoid strong emotional attachments to people that are likely to die long before him. At the same time, avoiding even strong friendships with them could be hard, and with all the dangers facing MC, there's no guarantee he even lives longer than a normal human anyways. From that perspective, I could see MC decided to make the most of the time he has with people he cares about, regardless of potential future heartbreak.

I can see that being hard for some, but not for me. I honestly do not even like any of the Lis (so far) other than Eliza. I find them all annoying.

 

[Rehwyn]

I can see that being hard for some, but not for me. I honestly do not even like any of the Lis (so far) other than Eliza. I find them all annoying.

I may have misunderstood what you meant about not wanting to form attachments in that case.

 

[Pixillin']

I may have misunderstood what you meant about not wanting to form attachments in that case.

I don't think so. It's kinda both - even if I didn't find most of the Li's irritating I'd be wary of forming a bond with someone whose life will be over in a relatively brief time - ultimately it's just another reason that I'll stick with Eliza and only Eliza. Someone may eventually tempt me but so far I haven't met any of them who come close to overcoming that hurdle and being "worth it, even if their time is short." Especially knowing that, on some level at least, it would hurt Eliza by doing so and we, potentially, have infinity together.

 

[Miss Kobayashi's]

the game is very pleasant and beautiful, the characters I will say this: everyone is unique in their emotions and character, the plot is interesting and calmly reads pleasantly and all this makes the atmosphere of the music individually selected and all this causes me pleasant emotions and feelings for the game

 

[War Lizard]

I think it's partially a result of too many Lis and not enough time but my issue, as I said yesterday, is that the Lis just don't have much of a personality. Eliza has a bit because of the stuff with her parents, and then the vampire thing. Her role in the main story and her also being immortal makes her an obvious choice for a li but we don't get much of Eliza's personality anymore other than her affection for MC. I think if we spend more time with her maybe that would change a bit but now there are a hundred other Lis and half of their dialogue is about how much they love MC, and the rest is divided between their personal ambitions (pirate, wizard, princess etc) and whatever side story they have going. None of them has really shown much personality per se. That might be ok if this was the kind of AVN where you just run around fucking everyone and there is not much of a story but a story driven AVN needs distinct and well rounded characters to make it work and there are too many of them to even develop them properly as characters unless we're going to set aside the main story and spend the next 20 chapters just getting to know the ladies. But now we're going on a voyage where we're promised ... even more lis. It's obviously the Devs call, but I suspect that if he was working with a professional story editor, the last 2-3 updates and the plans for the next several would be sent back with a post-it note on top that just said "NO". Even for a (story driven) harem game, 5-6 is really the maximum number of Lis before things start to fall apart.

 

[Wendy69]

Am not doing this anymore, sorry. To many updates and Folder structure changes. (IIRC).

You fucked up ..Right cant do it anymore

 

[HornyyPussy]

You fucked up ..Right cant do it anymore

Whatever it is you're smoking, share with the rest of the group..........

 

[TheNowhereWolf]

probably cause id imagine most players kill her

You're god damn right!

Also for the change in Eliza I get the feeling she would be more like her pre vamp self if she ever got to actually go anywhere with the MC, hard to let her adventurous side out when she can't isn't allowed to go on an adventure. My hope is whenever we get back to Eliza and MC doing things together she will be her old self, just with the ability to defend herself far better now.

 

[TKdropemoff]

probably cause id imagine most players kill her

with no hesitation.

 

[balboa2151]

hey all...I just started the newest update...I saved when MC was in the basement with Anna...I love Eliza but damn if Anna isn't changing my mind after that scene...her breasts are God's gift to men...man oh man I love big breasts...I'm ecstatic that this is a harem game because are so many beautiful women in this game I could never choose lol

 

[Pixillin']

 

[JohnnyFromDeep]

At this point we might as well just accept that Buu can't stay consistent with the power scaling. So now spellswords, even if descendant from the primordial bloodlines, are supposed to be on equal footing if not stronger than divine entities?
I can't believe the MC said she was actually stronger than him, i want some of whatever substance Buu is smoking

Hard agree to all of your points
This update felt game is heading towards downward direction
Being a nephilim, he is getting toyed around by a mortal, even accepting that she was superior and he is dependent on various abilities he got from his adventures feels
What if he never visited that island(forgot its name) from where he got his regen ability
Would he be dead by then
A demi god getting killed by a mortal would have been hilarious to see

 

[JohnnyFromDeep]

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Instead of making this game like avn pokemon(catching all girls and putting baby batter in them)
It would have been nice to see variation depending on which ability we choose
I too chose the eye beam, and was surprised mc didnt use them
There should have been a dark path variation where with eye beam(if we chose to use it), mc could kill diana
But Buu wants mc to catch her and add her on mcs ongoing collection as well

 

[JohnnyFromDeep]

How the hell is he supposed to fight Balthazaar if he can barely put up a fight with dianna. I just think the fight made the mc look way underpowered for the celestial being that he is when a human with some magic and determination is better in a fight and stronger apparently.

And top of it admitting openly to her after he healed her back

 

[Rehwyn]

Hard agree to all of your points
This update felt game is heading towards downward direction
Being a nephilim, he is getting toyed around by a mortal, even accepting that she was superior and he is dependent on various abilities he got from his adventures feels
What if he never visited that island(forgot its name) from where he got his regen ability
Would he be dead by then
A demi god getting killed by a mortal would have been hilarious to see

And top of it admitting openly to her after he healed her back

This was discussed a good bit in the Discord, and Buu has made some pretty detailed responses. I'll copy a few here since they're good info, imo, and I haven't seen them here.

...all i can say is you are clearly overestimating our current powerlevel, and severly underestimate Diana's powerlevel.
You say we are far in the plot but we are only in season 1 out of 3 seasons. I have stated before we have a whole lot of growth and power-ups to go through, we may be a powerful being and have a vast potential but currently we are far from the most powerful in existence, theres lots of powerful creatures that would squash us like an insect currently.
Yes we have been trained, guess what? So has Diana, we have been trained on and off for years on the road, Diana has had access to the best combat and martial artist experts the nobles can afford. she has more combat experience than us by quite a bit.
I will admit if we have not been holding back and just fighting for survival from the get go, using everything at our disposal, then we could likely have defeated her.
But then again the side effect of her water-infused shockwave attacks took us by surprise and disabled onyx and onyx is a big part of our current power gains.
Also you say we run out of energy fast? Eh I'm pretty sure we just ran for hours and hours even saying in-game we are depleted somewhat when we arrive, using superspeed is not something to be taken lightly and takes a severe toll on the person the only reason we can sustain it is due to our already vast energy reserves.
I personally think the fight with Diana is great the way it is and portrays both her strengths and our weaknesses, if you have made up in your mind that we are all-powerful and cannot be defeated, that is your own expectation and certainly not the case.
It also highlights the youth of our mc, being only 20 years old and powerful beyond his peers, means he is prone to arrogance and overconfidence which when faced with a rare and powerful opponent makes for an unfortunate outcome.

I'm not sure if that answers your questions or not but I think I've covered the scene pretty extensively by now

...the fact is Diana and ourselves are actually fighting incredibly fast paced, this is of course incredibly hard to depict with still-images, but they are moving rapidly compared to the average human. and that is also a thing when fighting a strong opponent, you yourself will seem and feel weaker because now you're not the big bad in the fight. But as i said, we have a lot of room for growth and not just in terms of power-ups but also basic combat training, what we learned from Oren is far from the best available in the world, he was skilled sure and he taught us what "he" knew. But yeah, we do tend to rely on using abilities, i guess when you have such options they become your go to?
But it all comes down to Diana is simply more experienced and skilled in hand to hand combat than we are currently.

Anyways, thought those provided some decent insight into the dev's perspective on the fight.