Netori vs Netorare & Netorase

[tanstaafl]

Yeah, you are right, they probably would enjoy.

Yup.

 

[Garfire]

In most cases, NTR is more cruel, involving rape, blackmail, or humiliation. The focus is on the suffering of the betrayed husband and the corruption of the wife. Netori, on the other hand, tends to be lighter or even romantic, focusing on the relationship between the MC and the heroine, usually ignoring the husband altogether. There’s no need to rub the betrayal in anyone’s face. Sure, there are darker Netori stories, but the overall tone is different.
Not every NTR fan likes to see themselves in the MC’s shoes — many are drawn to the emotional intensity, the tension, and the well-written drama. Netori can also have good stories, but the vibe is different: generally “safer,” and often lacking the same impact.
As for Netorase, it just doesn’t make sense to me. If the husband allows another man to sleep with his wife, where’s the challenge? Where’s the conflict? Without resistance, there’s no tension — it just turns into a consensual fetish, with zero emotional weight.

 

[NTRSandman]

I come in peace y'all and I don't wanna start any arguments but I just want to know why NTR lovers love it so much. Coz I've been so curious about how the genre became so popular because I always felt like the opposite (netori) would be more popular imo. So can explain what about it y'all like it so much.??

Netori is just "meaner vanilla", in my opinion.

Most harem games - which are probably THE most popular kind of AVN - where other guys than the MC exist and play some role, already have some subtle netori of varying degree.
I dare say netori is actually the most common form of NTR, it's just rarely called out as such, because it's usually a lowkey byproduct in works where the MC gets all the girls.
Eternum is a good example, in my opinion.
And Corrupted Kingdoms has quite a bit of it. It's one of the more fun parts of the game, too.

But the issue with Netori is, it's too close to normal "popular guy" power fantasies already known from harem games and therefore too mundane to carry entire stories, at least for a lot of people.

Many players are also simply too nice to enjoy stealing from others all the time.
It's nice as an occasional "side dish", especially when the guy they're stealing a girl from is some ugly idiot or anonymous guy, but it can get quite tiresome as the main focus of a game.
What doesn't help is that in Netori-focused games, the MC is usually a cocky asshole and the cucked guy a nice guy.
A lot of folks simply don't enjoy that, because they're a nice guy irl themselves and probably relate more to the cucked guy than the MC, regardless of the games' perspective.


About why "NTR" (Netorare) is so popular, this is what I think:

I think for a lot of players, Netorare is more a sadistic fetish than a masochistic one.
It's more about enjoying to see someone else worse off than you, or seeing a popular guy like Kirito lose his beautiful Asuna to some ugly MF.

Many of them don't really self-insert into the MC.
I remember reading about a survey where the majority of people said they don't really self-insert much when playing games, which I think is particularly true for netorare.

I can confirm that for myself, at least; I enjoy netorare the most when the "MC" is some blind, deaf, absolute tool I can not identify with, who fully deserves what happens to him, so I can just play god who happily leads that idiot to loss and ruin.
I prefer 3rd person POV over 1st person POV for that reason, too.

In my opinion, that's why a lot of Netorare is
a) shown from 3rd party POV a lot of the time, and
b) the "MC" is quite often displayed as weak, selfish, ignorant, dumb and very small-penised.

Of course, I'm sure there are netorare players out there who enjoy it because they self-insert and do have that masochistic inclination, but I think one reason Netorare is so popular is because it can be enjoyed from both the masochistic and sadistic angle.

Netorase can only really be fully enjoyed if you clearly lean towards the cuck mindset.
Netori can only really be fully enjoyed if you clearly lean towards the bull/cucker mindset.
Netorare can be enjoyed by both groups, it's just about taking the POV you're more comfortable with.

Because you can self-insert as the MC, but don't have to.
You can self-insert as the one who cucks the MC, but don't have to.
Or just watch it from 3rd-party sidelines like a movie, with lots of cheating and corruption going on, without ever identifying with any of the involved guys.

In most cases, NTR is more cruel, involving rape, blackmail, or humiliation.

Yeah, a lot of japanese NTR is like that.
One reason I'm very picky about which NTR games I even give a chance, I enjoy it less when it's too cruel.

Not every NTR fan likes to see themselves in the MC’s shoes

Exactly.

As for Netorase, it just doesn’t make sense to me. If the husband allows another man to sleep with his wife, where’s the challenge? Where’s the conflict? Without resistance, there’s no tension — it just turns into a consensual fetish, with zero emotional weight.

Well, there's the "if her bull is too good, I might lose her" tension.

But apart from that, I'd say that's precisely the thing:

From what I've gathered, pure Netorase is a rather wholesome fetish, in a way.
It doesn't need much tension, because that's not what players are really looking for here to begin with.

Taking Netorase Phone as reference (which is the only pure netorase game I've really played), the fetish appears to be first and foremost about making the woman you like happier, by giving her a more fulfilled sex life than you could on your own, without the "cheating, betrayal and losing her" aspect.

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In summary, I think it kinda boils down to this:

Players with a more selfless and cucky inclination prefer netorase.

Players who consider Netori the least evil are more likely to just play harem-, maid- or BSDM-focused games to live out their dom side, so Netori as a dedicated genre remains a niche.

Everyone else (+ some of the netorase players) plays NTR and just wishes NTR games were better and offered more variety

 

[tanstaafl]

Netori is just "meaner vanilla", in my opinion.

Then you lack imagination. Picture a netori game where Art the Clown is the MC. Let your imagination run wild with that one. Literally any kink can be turned to the darker side of porn with just a bit of imagination. It makes me sad how many people just don't realize this...because they have no imagination at all.

 

[NTR unavoidable!]

I prefer netorare because I am drawn to sex deprivation and humiliation of the mmc, even tho it's not always the case.

Bull corrupting the female until she embraces masochism and submissiveness is another thing I like. This could also be found in netori I guess, but I prefer netorare with mmc/fmc (or both) so I can feel less in control as a player as things get taken from me.

Netorase rarely works for me because it removes some of the things I mentioned earlier, making it boring and vanilla. I want to see the world burn and feed on intense emotions I imagine characters feel, most of the time.

 

[Saerwen]

Then you lack imagination. Picture a netori game where Art the Clown is the MC. Let your imagination run wild with that one. Literally any kink can be turned to the darker side of porn with just a bit of imagination. It makes me sad how many people just don't realize this...because they have no imagination at all.

This. While to others NTR is the best, to me it's the worst. NTR, Netorase and Netori can be interesting if writers know how to pull if off.

 

[Wankstaindeluxe]

I read in one of the threads that NTR is a woman's thing and I was like what...then I realised, it does. There are so many stories about love triangle for women that are popular, so that thought was very insightful.

I really don't get this idea that NTR is a woman's thing. I mean, honestly think about it, does it SOUND like a thing woman would enjoy?

For one thing, MOST WOMEN ARE STRAIGHT. They're primarily interested in guys. So, why would they be watching porn that's incredibly focused on women?

I'm really having a hard time believing that Women are NTR's primary audience and not... Cuckold Men. (NTR is just cuckoldery).

 

[Saerwen]

I really don't get this idea that NTR is a woman's thing. I mean, honestly think about it, does it SOUND like a thing woman would enjoy?

For one thing, MOST WOMEN ARE STRAIGHT. They're primarily interested in guys. So, why would they be watching porn that's incredibly focused on women?

I'm really having a hard time believing that Women are NTR's primary audience and not... Cuckold Men. (NTR is just cuckoldery).

Not NTR with a male protagonist but with a female protagonist, from your/her POV. Women wants a FMC to be taken by a male character so that's why love triangle stories are popular among women because they want to read about two handsome guys fight for FMC. I say this as one.

 

[Wankstaindeluxe]

Not NTR with a male protagonist but with a female protagonist, from your/hers POV. Women wants to see a FMC getting stolen by a male character so that's why a love triangle stories are popular because women wants to read and see two hot guys fight for FMC.

Are we conflating shit like Titanic and Twilight with fucking NTR?!

NTR is not a love triangle, it's CUCKOLDERY. I haven't heard of a single NTR that has two hot guys fight over FMC. It's not a soap opera, it's porn.

And I'm still not convinced even female protagonist NTR is ACTUALLY for women. I mean, are they focusing on the dudes or the girls? Cause then we go back to my og point, Most women probably don't masturbate to WOMEN getting fucked!

Often with so little focus on the male, they often don't have a face or are fucking ugly.

 

[MissCougar]

Not NTR with a male protagonist but with a female protagonist, from your/her POV. Women wants a FMC to be taken by a male character so that's why love triangle stories are popular among women because they want to read about two handsome guys fight for FMC. I say this as one.

Adding myself here. This is the whole excitement behind it. The sensual corruption, the lust and wanting and the need.

At the end of the day, I guess my kink/fetish is feeling wanted. Feeling wanted sexually and attractively. This particular fetish allows me to dig into a lot of things.

Are we conflating shit like Titanic and Twilight with fucking NTR?!

NTR is not a love triangle, it's CUCKOLDERY. I haven't heard of a single NTR that has two hot guys fight over FMC. It's not a soap opera, it's porn.

And I'm still not convinced even female protagonist NTR is ACTUALLY for women. I mean, are they focusing on the dudes or the girls? Cause then we go back to my og point, Most women probably don't masturbate to WOMEN getting fucked!

Often with so little focus on the male, they often don't have a face or are fucking ugly.

I think it's for both sexes, but you just see less women involved in the video game side. But in the literary and movie side for creating content... men are in the minority I would bet greatly.

And yes, I do get off to women being fucked. What else am I supposed to get off to? Pictures of the sky? Grass growing porn?

 

[MissCougar]

Here's just an idea of what you appear to be unaware of... here's just a sampling from Goodreads for this weeks erotic romance.

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I don't have the stats, but I think I'm safe to say porn video games as a whole are getting destroyed by the books. I'm sure not all authors are women... but a very high number of them are.

Women are horny as hell. We just target that horniness in different areas than watching pornhub.

 

[Saerwen]

Are we conflating shit like Titanic and Twilight with fucking NTR?!

NTR is not a love triangle, it's CUCKOLDERY. I haven't heard of a single NTR that has two hot guys fight over FMC. It's not a soap opera, it's porn.

And I'm still not convinced even female protagonist NTR is ACTUALLY for women. I mean, are they focusing on the dudes or the girls? Cause then we go back to my og point, Most women probably don't masturbate to WOMEN getting fucked!

Often with so little focus on the male, they often don't have a face or are fucking ugly.

How the fuck isn't a NTR if a FMC is in a relationship and another guy is seducing her and then steal her causing her to dump her boyfriend? Or if a FMC is with two guys but neither know about the other? NTR is focused on emotional side of the betrayal and feelings.

 

[Wankstaindeluxe]

Here's just an idea of what you appear to be unaware of... here's just a sampling from Goodreads for this weeks erotic romance.

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I don't have the stats, but I think I'm safe to say porn video games as a whole are getting destroyed by the books. I'm sure not all authors are women... but a very high number of them are.

Women are horny as hell. We just target that horniness in different areas than watching pornhub.

I'm not saying that women don't watch or read porn. I'm saying I sincerely doubt they're the primary audience for cuckold porn.

Even with those books, do any of them have cuckoldery, especially the kind associated with the genre? I really doubt so.

 

[MissCougar]

Here's another good site... sorry for the multiple posts.

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If you want your book porn in audio books. You can even pick your sexy accent you may want them read in.

They have a section specifically for love triangles too:

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There is just too much.

 

[Saerwen]

Here's just an idea of what you appear to be unaware of... here's just a sampling from Goodreads for this weeks erotic romance.

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I don't have the stats, but I think I'm safe to say porn video games as a whole are getting destroyed by the books. I'm sure not all authors are women... but a very high number of them are.

Women are horny as hell. We just target that horniness in different areas than watching pornhub.

Agreed. Thank you for the new recs!

 

[MissCougar]

I'm not saying that women don't watch or read porn. I'm saying I sincerely doubt they're the primary audience for cuckold porn.

Even with those books, do any of them have cuckoldery, especially the kind associated with the genre? I really doubt so.

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Theres a tag for it. Not necessarily named "cuck me" but it's there. And this is just audio books. If you go outside audiobooks from one site it explodes into the sky.

I feel like you have this preconceived notion and your world view may need adjustment. I know women who love watersports and fucking in public. I know swingers and a bunch in between.

I think you can safely say though, "in video games, this topic is more for men". But in that regard, video games in general for any topic is more targeted at men.

 

[Wankstaindeluxe]

How the fuck isn't a NTR if a FMC is in a relationship and another guy is seducing her and then steal her causing her to dump her boyfriend? Or if a FMC is with two guys but neither know about the other? NTR is focused on emotional side of the betrayal and feelings.

The first one, I'll be fair sounds like NTR while the other could be but I wouldn't know.

But my point stands, what you guys are describing isn't NTR.

From Vndb
"Netorare is more than a simple act of infidelity, but the fetishization of jealousy and other negative feelings commonly associated with it."

NTR is fetishizing jealousy. It's why harems aren't technically Reverse NTRs.

It's why A mother having sex with the dad before the romance starts in an incest game isn't NTR.

 

[Wankstaindeluxe]

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Theres a tag for it. Not necessarily named "cuck me" but it's there. And this is just audio books. If you go outside audiobooks from one site it explodes into the sky.

I feelike you have this preconceived notion and your world view may need adjustment. I know women who love watersports and fucking in public. I know swingers and a bunch in between.

I think you can safely say though, "in video games, this topic is more for men". But in that regard, video games I general for any topic is more targeted at men.

But are they the primary audience? By your logic, Twilight's audience is Men because some Men enjoy it.

Or Robocop's audience is kids because kids play with it's toys.

They're not the primary audience. They're not the people tickets.

And again, NTR IS NOT CHEATING, IT'S CUCKOLDERY. They are not one and the same.

 

[MissCougar]

The first one, I'll be fair sounds like NTR while the other could be but I wouldn't know.

But my point stands, what you guys are describing isn't NTR.

From Vndb
"Netorare is more than a simple act of infidelity, but the fetishization of jealousy and other negative feelings commonly associated with it."

NTR is fetishizing jealousy. It's why harems aren't technically Reverse NTRs.

It's why A mother having sex with the dad before the romance starts in an incest game isn't NTR.

The biggest problem with NTR is that almost nobody understands NTR, even the people making content they think is NTR.

You can read an NTR tagged anything, consume it, and realize it's not NTR at all. This is pretty common and I blame how confusing NTR is as a topic to do right.

In most cases it's glorified cheating where the attached man is only vaguely kinda in love with the attached woman for stories sake, but as soon as she goes off the farm it turns into an exhibition sex thing around watching the woman fuck other one or more guys and the love side is basically some empty vague footnote between scenes of being a voyeur.

 

[MissCougar]

But are they the primary audience? By your logic, Twilight's audience is Men because some Men enjoy it.

Or Robocop's audience is kids because kids play with it's toys.

They're not the primary audience. They're not the people tickets.

And again, NTR IS NOT CHEATING, IT'S CUCKOLDERY. They are not one and the same.

If you are asking me if the primary audience for erotic literature is men... I uh... I'm really not sure what to say.

Sure? Go for it? I talk with my girlfriends about the erotic books we are reading... I've never had a dude butt in and start talking about how much he enjoys his slow burn romance or wild alien sex scenes with hulking giants with glistening muscles, toned bellies and hearts of iron that make their knees melt.

And yes... just posted that NTR sucks because nobody seems capable of doing it right anyhow in any medium.