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Honestly? I think the two will never have anything to do with each other in the game. A threesome with Michelle & Elsa is more realistic while the cuckold Leonard is watching.
I see the problem here as Elsa seems to be pretty loyal to Leonard and Michelle thinks of Leonard as cute. What this means in NCC is that if you don‘t watch out, Michelle is hooking up with Leonard while the Mc will get nothing, because Elsa doesn‘t seem to be the character to take revenge like that. Also depending on your relationship with the sex shop bouncer, he warns you about Leonard wanting to get with Michelle.
Maybe we should put Leonard in the same place as Yoshi. They can keep each other company.
 

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I see the problem here as Elsa seems to be pretty loyal to Leonard and Michelle thinks of Leonard as cute. What this means in NCC is that if you don‘t watch out, Michelle is hooking up with Leonard while the Mc will get nothing, because Elsa doesn‘t seem to be the character to take revenge like that. Also depending on your relationship with the sex shop bouncer, he warns you about Leonard wanting to get with Michelle.
Maybe we should put Leonard in the same place as Yoshi. They can keep each other company.
You are way too negative. In the conversation during the party in Update 1.55, Michelle didn't speak so positively about Leonard. I think a threesome (MC, Elsa & Michelle) or a partner swap seem realistic at the moment. There will be no more cuckold in the game. It's too advanced and almost finished for that.
 

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You are way too negative. In the conversation during the party in Update 1.55, Michelle didn't speak so positively about Leonard. I think a threesome (MC, Elsa & Michelle) or a partner swap seem realistic at the moment. There will be no more cuckold in the game. It's too advanced and almost finished for that.
I’ll be pleasantly surprised when it turns out to a situation where Mc and Michelle talk Elsa into a threesome. I wouldn‘t put it past HG to end it with another cuckolding (maybe with a very specific route setup), just to create more situations for the sequel. Speaking of cuckold, I wonder how the situation with Riley and Lamar will play out regarding their proposal at the party and if it‘s going to be in the next version or the one after that.
 

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Thank you for the entertaining so far !
I like the approach of networking with human-like behavior, which should correspond to an AI.
You've wrote a lot and it looks like many thoughts about rl were implemented with passion.


I know it's probably hard to understand for die-hard HG fans, but if someone sits down and writes a WT mod for this complex, interwoven dating sim to make the game accessible to a wider audience, then I would like to suggest little things:

- So far, the game has been designed so that you read through every single conversation carefully and weigh the decisions offered according to your own gut feeling.
The hardcore fans probably zip through the game for the first 70 days, since each dialogue has already been read 20 times by then.
-> if I have seen it correctly, the mod should show the corresponding changes as colored text.
Following suggestion:
- there are usually 3 options to choose from: + / - / neutral
if you keep this option or your options during whole gameplay from top to bottom, the player gets used to it and does not have to read through the smaller additional text.
- as soon as more options are available, the new variant should be described but the basic principle should be retained (++ / + / neutral / - / -)

As a next suggestion I have a simple simplification:
Someone said that he would like to have characters outlined in color so that he does not have to search again and again under the tiny displayed heads. Something I really liked to read.
How about if the player marks his preference for characters and the mod brightly marks the way to fulfillment in these conversations?
Or the mod informs the player that characters A and B cannot be chosen together and that a ranking must be set for this.
-> what do I know, something like "date material", "fuck-buddy", "fuck piece on demand", "could may watch"
The remaining characters are left aside and a "free" choice on them can be made which, in my case, end in no special scenes.

Since I'm new to this Sim, I found it difficult to get anyone naked or start sexual interaction in the first run without guidance until ~ day 50.
I didn't get very far with just "nice or ass", as different triggers were required at certain points within these days.
So if you have read through what the individual characters have to say by day 34 but you neither know that this could have been an important decision in interpersonal relationships, you miss the junction and end up not laid.
In my example, I liked to date Michelle but got a drop down in relation for something like -50 in a conversation with Mark and ended repeatedly with her interested in movie only. Even if she told, Mark couldn't be trusted ^^

I see that some have dealt with the source code in order to record and trigger these points of the game progress with the desired candidate so that the game loop ends. Obviously it wasn't just me that the exact exit was seldom found if you didn't commit to one of the characters from the beginning and specifically concentrate on repeat its inclination via save file.
Others, like myself, had to find out from Guide 1.4 that with either a decision for evening scenes with a chosen secondary character, the option for a consistent further course of the game with the "I want to see what a steady relationship looks like with you- Character " is no longer available. The conversations, as they take place with David, so that all game progress up to the current status are discussed, aren't available or newly placed to a later conversation on which you have to decide again whether or not and when to.
When I realized this, I looked for a suitable save file, in which I suspected that the junction could be made and ultimately came to the conclusion that I had to start a new game in order to receive this mentioned entertainment.
At the moment I am so far that I suspect either a description error in the guide or a programming error. It may also be because I get a "Header Error" from .7zip repeatedly when I download v1.55 from F95 again.

The reason I'm starting again is probably because I'm eager to follow the MC's further story without having to exclude these characters.


As said, thanks for the entertaining so far.
 
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Thank you for the entertaining so far !
I like the approach of networking with human-like behavior, which should correspond to an AI.
You've wrote a lot and it looks like many thoughts about rl were implemented with passion.


I know it's probably hard to understand for die-hard HG fans, but if someone sits down and writes a WT mod for this complex, interwoven dating sim to make the game accessible to a wider audience, then I would like to suggest little things:

- So far, the game has been designed so that you read through every single conversation carefully and weigh the decisions offered according to your own gut feeling.
The hardcore fans probably zip through the game for the first 70 days, since each dialogue has already been read 20 times by then.
-> if I have seen it correctly, the mod should show the corresponding changes as colored text.
Following suggestion:
- there are usually 3 options to choose from: + / - / neutral
if you keep this option or your options during whole gameplay from top to bottom, the player gets used to it and does not have to read through the smaller additional text.
- as soon as more options are available, the new variant should be described but the basic principle should be retained (++ / + / neutral / - / -)

As a next suggestion I have a simple simplification:
Someone said that he would like to have characters outlined in color so that he does not have to search again and again under the tiny displayed heads. Something I really liked to read.
How about if the player marks his preference for characters and the mod brightly marks the way to fulfillment in these conversations?
Or the mod informs the player that characters A and B cannot be chosen together and that a ranking must be set for this.
-> what do I know, something like "date material", "fuck-buddy", "fuck piece on demand", "could may watch"
The remaining characters are left aside and a "free" choice on them can be made which, in my case, end in no special scenes.

Since I'm new to this Sim, I found it difficult to get anyone naked or start sexual interaction in the first run without guidance until ~ day 50.
I didn't get very far with just "nice or ass", as different triggers were required at certain points within these days.
So if you have read through what the individual characters have to say by day 34 but you neither know that this could have been an important decision in interpersonal relationships, you miss the junction and end up not laid.
In my example, I liked to date Michelle but got a drop down in relation for something like -50 in a conversation with Mark and ended repeatedly with her interested in movie only. Even if she told, Mark couldn't be trusted ^^

I see that some have dealt with the source code in order to record and trigger these points of the game progress with the desired candidate so that the game loop ends. Obviously it wasn't just me that the exact exit was seldom found if you didn't commit to one of the characters from the beginning and specifically concentrate on repeat its inclination via save file.
Others, like myself, had to find out from Guide 1.4 that with either a decision for evening scenes with a chosen secondary character, the option for a consistent further course of the game with the "I want to see what a steady relationship looks like with you- Character " is no longer available. The conversations, as they take place with David, so that all game progress up to the current status are discussed, aren't available or newly placed to a later conversation on which you have to decide again whether or not and when to.
When I realized this, I looked for a suitable save file, in which I suspected that the junction could be made and ultimately came to the conclusion that I had to start a new game in order to receive this mentioned entertainment.
At the moment I am so far that I suspect either a description error in the guide or a programming error. It may also be because I get a "Header Error" from .7zip repeatedly when I download v1.55 from F95 again.

The reason I'm starting again is probably because I'm eager to follow the MC's further story without having to exclude these characters.


As said, thanks for the entertaining so far.
thank you for this detailed feedback
I know, the game is a mess and a new player can find himself "lost".
The basic purpose of the game is to immerse you in the life of MC. I'm making more changes, even to older chapters, to make everything better... maybe even easier to understand.
Some passages are difficult because the plot is difficult, but seeing them now, in retrospect, I can make changes to make some things a little less difficult to do.
is a game with many characters and many stroyline so the difficulty level for some events I set it high, to avoid that the storylines could clash in a non-congruent manner.
Now that everything is written up to the various possible endings I'm doing a job of "filing".
Once it is finished I will suggest a new game "from Schratch" so that everyone can enjoy the full experience.
as I've said other times, this game was born "free roam" so when I turned it into a visual novel I had to accept some plot lengths and build other stories to cover the holes.
This is why the game has had reboots in the past and why I continue to work on improving it.
I'm sure in the next game I'll start with much clearer ideas from the beginning that will avoid these setbacks.
On the positive side, with the new PC I can make much better renders and I'm redoing almost all the old renders and I'm making the sex scenes more interesting (I can add more special events).
 
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purpose to immerse into the life of MC
Since it is not easy in RL to follow in the footsteps of others and you have created the "mess" of authenticity of people meeting and talking to each other, but as a reader I am interested in immersing myself in the life of an MC, that is fine with me.
In this case, the MC doesn't live on an island with 2-3 contacts, but has a normal social and professional life and gets to know people as a result.

As in real life, some choices have consequences and even though some would like that, not all potential partners are ready at a glance.
The difference is that, unlike in RL, you can't see body language in a game. This leads to predictable misunderstandings. Who does not know such situations on whatsapp or by sms (or eMail.... business partner travel round the world to get a feeling for the other end of an conversation of an eMail) where you spend a "lifetime" to explain to another again in writing that something was a joke or meant ironically.
You don't see the other person grinning or eyebrows drawing together, nor an open or closed posture.
If the game wants to come close to reality, these posture changes are crucial. Whether one arrives with one's own manner, has to pretend professionally or whether one can become insinuating.
Therefore, a reflecting "emotion" system may could be handy....
How? .... no clue
 
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Since it is not easy in RL to follow in the footsteps of others and you have created the "mess" of authenticity of people meeting and talking to each other, but as a reader I am interested in immersing myself in the life of an MC, that is fine with me.
In this case, the MC doesn't live on an island with 2-3 contacts, but has a normal social and professional life and gets to know people as a result.

As in real life, some choices have consequences and even though some would like that, not all potential partners are ready at a glance.
The difference is that, unlike in RL, you can't see body language in a game. This leads to predictable misunderstandings. Who does not know such situations on whatsapp or by sms (or eMail.... business partner travel round the world to get a feeling for the other end of an conversation of an eMail) where you spend a "lifetime" to explain to another again in writing that something was a joke or meant ironically.
You don't see the other person grinning or eyebrows drawing together, nor an open or closed posture.
If the game wants to come close to reality, these posture changes are crucial. Whether one arrives with one's own manner, has to pretend professionally or whether one can become insinuating.
Therefore, a reflecting "emotion" system may could be handy....
How? .... no clue
This is something I'm starting to add (even in the old chapters). Before I could do few renders so I couldn't use character face expressions, now I'm adding expressions depending on the answer given.
Obviously it's not the same, but it's probably the best I can do.
For the future, having more time and not having to re-render the whole game, I can put this in from the beginning and be more precise with expressions (maybe). Now of course I just render 2/3 standards expressions for each location.
In the future I will be able to choose better the facial expression to give to the girl depending on the dialogue.
 

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Ouh, I've seen, you already started...
e.g. the Riley pic's for each choice you made were self-explanatory.
or e.g. the faces pop-up in the middle of the screen when you hit the right button like they wanted to whisper something near MC's ears.
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(scary at first moment and remembered on such...)

Well, it's not always the "nice" path to choose, right
 
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m1rage Construct Well I know that at least 1 song in the playlists that you buy in the game By Adele is copyrighted. So unless I am missing something...
music/songs are the main thing in porn games, and something we all are here for (or that was sex scenes...:unsure:doooh, nevermind:HideThePain:)
that is some real offense right there, shame on you dev!
if you cant make your own music/songs, buy licensed ones, or use free songs.
otherwise you are not suited to make porn games, and you should consider changing your profession!:Kappa:
 
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m1rage Construct Well I know that at least 1 song in the playlists that you buy in the game By Adele is copyrighted. So unless I am missing something...
By all means, if you feel like HG is literally ruining the music industry by using one or two copyrighted songs, you are free to tip off whoever is responsible for stuff like this. The fact that it wasn‘t reported yet, indicates that no one cared enough. And frankly, I mute most VNs I play anyway so I wouldn‘t have noticed in the first place.
 

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By all means, if you feel like HG is literally ruining the music industry by using one or two copyrighted songs, you are free to tip off whoever is responsible for stuff like this. The fact that it wasn‘t reported yet, indicates that no one cared enough. And frankly, I mute most VNs I play anyway so I wouldn‘t have noticed in the first place.
I think you are misunderstanding me and taking what I said in the wrong direction. I was not saying any of what you said other than just making an observation about the music chosen (some of them being copyrighted) for the playlists in this game and that I was surprised that either the game wasn't taken down because of it, lawsuit against the dev for it, music changed for non copyrighted versions, or any combination of the above.
 

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I think you are misunderstanding me and taking what I said in the wrong direction. I was not saying any of what you said other than just making an observation about the music chosen (some of them being copyrighted) for the playlists in this game and that I was surprised that either the game wasn't taken down because of it, lawsuit against the dev for it, music changed for non copyrighted versions, or any combination of the above.
It is indeed interesting how this game managed to avoid a lawsuit. Comparing to how Patreon handles incest and all…
 
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